I agree......Mike, while I admit that I am mixing Lionel with MTH.....I don't think it is even close to the Tuscan that Lionel used on their previous N&W offerings.....it seems more red than Tuscan to me.
I freely admit that I am no N&W expert....I remain and always will be a New York Central, New Haven, PennCentral, Conrail and NYO&W guy.
Peter