MJCAT posted:carsntrains posted:MJCAT posted:carsntrains posted:pennsy484 posted:I think some people are hearing what they want to hear, overreacting to what they are hearing, oversimplifying, overgernalizing and/or just not really grasping the situation or what is being said.
Of course Bluetooth and other new technologies need to be explored and implemented. But the idea that anyone at Lionel would say don't buy the ZW or that AC power is going to be completely eliminated from new Lionel offerings is absolutely ridiculous. Also obvious is that Lionel is doing a good job in adding new technologies without obsolete eating any of their older Technologies and wouldn't all of a sudden decide to make all the developed technology obsolete.
My guess is that if I called Lionel and said hey I am only ever going to run starter sets and I'm really never going to run anything AC, maybe, maybe, some person at Lionel might suggest that I don't buy a $800 ZW, and they would be mortified if they thought I as a beginner set only runner was going to go trolling on a forum and somehow suggest that Lionel is completely shifting gears to DC only and poke fun at the long time users of AC, TMCC, Legacy, Visionline, etc.
OGR has been relatively troll free for the past year or so, I hope we don't have a new Vox.
That facts are the facts. Reckon I should have recorded the many conversations I had with Lionel and others. Then folks would just say it was fake lol : )
NCE is HO stuff isnt it? The stuff Ken Patterson uses and advertises on "Whats Neat This Week"...Do not attempt to run any O-scale or G-scale equipment with the Power Cab. These larger locos require more voltage and current than the Power Cab can deliver.
OH and I see they do have a O gauge setup!! 1000.00 !! no mention of WIFI on it.
And thats what Im trying to get at that nobody wants to hear. Lionels BT app is FREE!!! No systems needed. AGAIN no AIU, TIU, WIU , DCC, LEGACY, TMCC, nothing. But you can add a 49.99 universal controller.
Jim
I saw something strange today. A Lionel Bluetooth antenna ?? Disguised as an AM radio station? Is that for use with the TMCC/LEGACY stuff or what??
DCC systems are not gauge specific.
I have a NEC 10 amp system. Its powered by a $30 dc power supply. And it was nowhere near $1000.
This is the issue with this thread. There is too much "opinion" injected as fact. Some of us are trying to tell you guys the "fact" about BT. Its not that BT is bad. Bluetooth was designed to be a "near proximity" communication protocol. As in a few inches to a few feet away. Does it have a place in the starter sets? Perhaps. Does it belong in every loco? No. If you want something in every loco, it should be a control system standard such as DCC.
The DCE is gauge specific. I just looked at their site! If you go to their site they have a 10 amp system for O gauge for 1000.00. So you are using a DCE cab and another companies power supply. DC power supply? And your running O gauge? Probably similar to the one Ive been looking at from Mean Well out of China. They have a 5.6A for 24.99. Someone I know just ordered one. Going to see how it works.
Jim
Wrong.
It is POWER specific. They use "gauge" to help inform you which system you need as far as power requirements. But the system has no idea what gauge loco(s) its dealing with, nor does it care.
You do realize that you got standard retail pricing for the WIRELESS system, correct? Probably not, because you are desperately trying to do ad-hoc research to prove your point. And thats dangerous, because thats how BAD INFO gets out.
They have a chart with gauges listed N HO On30 O and Z . With recommended sets for each. I would call that gauge specific and you would also if you werent looking to argue.
So you are saying the set they have listed for 1000.00 is ?????? And bad information. When folks here constantly complain about the MSRP that Lionel has on their stuff? It that set lists for 1000.00 how much is it? I thought using the Manufacturers suggested retail price was a fairly accurate way to do things. 
In cart 1001.94 on their website. Thank you !
Jim
