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072 PASSENGER CARS WITH 054 OR 060 SWITCHES

Keith Buenzow ·
Does anyone have experience running cars requiring 072 curves running through 060 or 054 switches? Im curious and thinking that the short distance of the curve in the switch may not affect the overall tracking of the longer cars. If a 072 is immediately connected after the switch, than that would compensate for it. I have the atlas CZ cars and have a video on youtube demonstrating them on 072 vs 063 on atlas track. But this is over multiple sections (3 or 4). Am i allows to link to youtube...
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Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
I am hoping for feedback on methods of adjusting or modifying these cars so that I can use them on my layout consistently. I would think there should be some approach that would eliminate the issues I am having. So far I have not been able to do so. I would appreciate any advice that OGR members or The Atlas Co. may have. These are the only cars that I own that have an issue with, on my layout. It seems to be an issue with all of them at different times. I have had no problems with the Atlas...
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Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

tplee ·
Is anyone else concerned that we might never see the rest of the CA Zephyr set.  Has anyone heard about other cars that Atlas is planning.  I fear they just might abandon the project.  Others thoughts?
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Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

tplee ·
I am having a major issue of keeping the CZ on my O72 curves, they come off the rails every time. Currently pulling 10 cars (waiting for the observation, baggage, etc).  Most of the layout curves are, or will be larger than O72, but there are...
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Atlas O California Zephyr Seminar

Atlas O ·
Atlas O is pleased to present the California Zephyr Seminar from the April York Show. Speaker Jerry Kimble presents a detailed history of the California Zephyr, explains the 3 Railroads that took passengers coast-to-coast and details the difference between the Golden Spike Club Set vs. the Commemorative Edition Passenger Car Set. Enjoy! Click here for the video: Click the link in the blue box below to download the " Atlas O GSC CZ Set Pack and Certificate " pdf file!
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Kadees on Atlas O California Zephyr

Will Ebbert ·
Last night I went to put 746's on my Atlas CZ cars and was surprised to see that the holes on the underside of the cars didn't line up with the draft gear box. Are the holes on the cars designed for Atlas scale couplers? I thought the holes would be the same for each since putting Kadees on Atlas freight cars is super easy.
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

Boilermaker1 ·
I have no issues on atlas O72, nor issues on Lionel O72 tubular. I've even tried running them on O72 with Kadees and they work just fine with no lifting or tracking issues. You can check that the gauge of the track is correct and also the wheels. The other thing you can do is adjust the coupler bar to see if that helps your problem, or at least eliminates the issue that one car may be pulling the one next to it off the track. Also, the coupler should swing back and forth a bit, make sure...
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

tplee ·
Thanks for the suggestions, emails, and Bill at the Atlas service department. An additional issue was discovered with the Atlas CZ cars. Some of the uncoupler lever buttons hang way to low and only have a 1/64 clearance. The steam and air hoses also seem to be too low and catch on switches. The steam hose comes off easy, the brake line not so easy. It actually needs to be bent up. The whole coupler needed to be raised. I did try to use nail polish to insulate it from shorting, it wasn't...
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

J Daddy ·
Yes I noticed the coupler "thumb tacks" were loose as well. I had great performance from one car I purchased, the dome car. However when I purchase 2 more and coupled them together, that's when all #*&$ broke loose. The adjustable couple works but it will need some tweaking around the layout. S curves they hate, and any switch less than O 100 seems to create issues. The other track item is any up/down transition in the rails has to be so slight, or else the bolster of the truck will bind...
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

mikemike ·
I have Ross 072 switches. No Problems. The uncoupler buttons are a problem for me when they droop and short out. Solution cover with electrical tape. The coupler length adjustment is critical. If they are not set correctly derailments will occur. Mine even run on a curve that is slightly smaller than 072.
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Re: Kadees on Atlas O California Zephyr

AGHRMatt ·
The mounting holes are set up for the Atlas couplers and boxes. The holes are threaded for 2mm screws. You can "force" a kadee plastic box onto an Atlas car by carefully threading in a 2mmx8 screw about 1/3 of the way on the rear hole of the box, then pushing the box inward as you thread in the second screw. The box has enough play to squeeze in. You should also use a shim from MicroMark to get the coupler height right.
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Re: Kadees on Atlas O California Zephyr

Ron H ·
I used a simple but very effective way to mount Kadee 805s to the car. I bolt the coupler shank direct to the truck arm as pictured here. The 805s have a long and meaty shank. Use a dab of locktite or a caged nut. If you do not have wide radius curves I'de leave it alone. Good luck, Ron H
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Re: Kadees on Atlas O California Zephyr

Ron H ·
Here is what I do. Bolt the kadee directly to the truck arm. Use a caged nut or a dab of lock tight. I use 805s. works well and perfect height.
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Re: Kadees on Atlas O California Zephyr

Will Ebbert ·
The holes weren't even close enough to see both at once with the KD boxes. Is there a source to just buy long shank Atlas couplers (or at least the boxes) so I can just use the existing holes?
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Re: Kadees on Atlas O California Zephyr

clem k ·
Will I just use one hole, and one screw, and quality double sided tape. Been doing this for years on Atlas rolling stock. Yes I do run long heavy trains. However that still doesn't put the coupler box in the correct location. Therefor I don't buy much Atlas.
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Re: Kadees on Atlas O California Zephyr

Will Ebbert ·
Thanks! I think I'll go with that for now.
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Re: Kadees on Atlas O California Zephyr

AGHRMatt ·
Interesting solution. I have a couple of particularly stubborn cars I'm going to try that on.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Mister_Lee ·
At the risk of hijacking this thread, I do hope that somebody comes out with a decent 60 foot RPO, whether it's John Santa Fe's or somebody else's. One of the things about three-rail that irritates me is that even where the prototype had decent short cars available and condensation wasn't necessary, the toy train makers chose to make toy-like models of baggage and RPO cars. The Santa Fe's streamlined RPOs did good service on the Santa Fe, and some ran for a while afterwards on the New Haven...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

dkdkrd ·
Originally Posted by J Daddy: When are orders going in for the diner car? and who is taking them? No local hobby shop out here. Au contraire... Rider's Hobby Shop of Flint and/or Grand Rapids, Meeeeshigan, are both pleased to take advance orders for ALL manufacturer's products...including Atlas O. In Flint, ask for Mike, Ken, Cheryl, Terry, Gary, Jack, Phil, Neil, ...et al..., of the Trains Dept.. In Grand Rapids, ask for Bill and his crew in the Trains Dept.. The CZ Dining Car...all 3 CZ...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

The Portland Rose ·
Here is the link explaining how to get started on replacing the window strips on the first sets of the Atlas California Zephyr cars: http://www.atlasrr.com/news/ca...lacement-windows.htm
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

AGHRMatt ·
Best bet would be to contact Atlas.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

drgwdavid ·
Originally Posted by tplee: Is anyone else concerned that we might never see the rest of the CA Zephyr set. Has anyone heard about other cars that Atlas is planning. I fear they just might abandon the project. Others thoughts? I was talking to the dealer I get my Atlas O from and he mentioned that the observation car will be the next announcement. They realize that customers are getting impatient and wanting to run something resembling a train. We shall see.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Rocky Mountaineer ·
Personally, I do not like when the importers choose this approach of announcing/producing individual passenger cars over a period of years. I've tolerated it with Lionel's Polar Express (scale cars), but that's been my sole exception. I much prefer when an entire "set" is offered... at least a 4- or 5-pack WITH observation so a short train can be run. The overseas manufacturing relationships are too precarious right now to risk purchasing one car at a time. But if you want the CZ from Atlas,...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Hot Water ·
The Atlas scale length passenger situation is a "darned if you do and darned if you don't" scenario. In Atlas O's defense, they thought they were doing the right thing by spreading out the delivery of an expensive passenger train set, so that potential customers could then afford to purchase the whole set, spread-out over 2 or 3 years. Little did Atlas know that the manufacturer would "throw them out of their factory" due to the Bachman "expansion". On the other side of the coin, Sunset/3rd...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Jerry Kimble ·
We're in the process of shipping the second run of the 10/6 Sleeper and the Dome chair Coach along with having just finished taking orders for the Diner and 16 Section Sleeper. Advanced pre-production photographs of these two cars can be found on our Facebook page. Atlas is committed to the completion of the California Zephyr train and we’ll have additional important announcements shortly that will be communicated through our retailers and on our website, so stick with us as it’s going to be...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Scrapiron Scher ·
Jerry Kimble, I have all of the previously released cars and I agree with all of the comments above. I love the cars but I am unhappy with the Atlas O approach. For goodness sakes, give us the observation for the end of the train before you add more variations of sleepers and coaches.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

dkdkrd ·
Well, also in defense of Atlas as a company trying to make a reasonable return-on-investment (a.k.a., "profit"....hissssssssssssss ), the dies/tooling for these babies do not qualify under 'chump change'. If you want the accuracy of proper contours, window arrangements, interiors, etc., etc., blah, blah, then EACH one of the body styles is different, or heavily modified, tooling. Based on the market size...predicted, now demonstrated...and the economy...oh, wait, there's nothing wrong there!
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by dkdkrd: We must've picked the wrong train to model. Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief! I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!' KD Good post, KD! However, it looks like Golden Gate Depot may have beaten Atlas to the punch on the Santa Fe Super Chief. Alternatives could be, the high level Santa Fe El Capatian, or ANY of the Union Pacific "City of" train sets, with their unique car sides & window patterns.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

drgwdavid ·
Originally Posted by dkdkrd: Well, also in defense of Atlas as a company trying to make a reasonable return-on-investment (a.k.a., "profit"....hissssssssssssss ), the dies/tooling for these babies do not qualify under 'chump change'. If you want the accuracy of proper contours, window arrangements, interiors, etc., etc., blah, blah, then EACH one of the body styles is different, or heavily modified, tooling. Based on the market size...predicted, now demonstrated...and the economy...oh, wait,...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

drgwdavid ·
Originally Posted by Hot Water: Originally Posted by dkdkrd: We must've picked the wrong train to model. Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief! I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!' KD Good post, KD! However, it looks like Golden Gate Depot may have beaten Atlas to the punch on the Santa Fe Super Chief. Alternatives could be, the high level Santa Fe El Capatian, or ANY of the Union Pacific "City of" train sets, with their unique car...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

drgwdavid ·
Originally Posted by RockyMountaineer: Personally, I do not like when the importers choose this approach of announcing/producing individual passenger cars over a period of years. I've tolerated it with Lionel's Polar Express (scale cars), but that's been my sole exception. I much prefer when an entire "set" is offered... at least a 4- or 5-pack WITH observation so a short train can be run. The overseas manufacturing relationships are too precarious right now to risk purchasing one car at a...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

David Johnston ·
An observation car with out a dome is not the California Zephyr!
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

J Daddy ·
I am really looking forward to the next release. I have 2 dome cars and the sleeper. they are fantastic, and I recommend anyone building a layout purchase one of these, their long wheel bases, small wheel flanges, and scale car lengths will tell all. The only thing that looks odd is the blinds appear to be mounted on the outside of the windows and there are no people inside. I will wait for the cars and I hope the rear observation car is next, not many people can fork out over a 800 dollars...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by J Daddy: The only thing that looks odd is the blinds appear to be mounted on the outside of the windows and there are no people inside. Atlas already offered replacement window strips with the blinds correctly located on the INSIDE. All you have to to is slide the old, incorrect, wind strips out and slide the new replacements in. Suggest you contact Mr. Kimble at Atlas, and he'll probably send you some.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

marker ·
In case you missed it, the diner and the conductor's dome are next! Very important for a CZ set, especially the diner.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

hibar ·
Originally Posted by drgwdavid: Originally Posted by Hot Water: Originally Posted by dkdkrd: We must've picked the wrong train to model. Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief! I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!' KD Good post, KD! However, it looks like Golden Gate Depot may have beaten Atlas to the punch on the Santa Fe Super Chief. Alternatives could be, the high level Santa Fe El Capatian, or ANY of the Union Pacific "City of"...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

J Daddy ·
Thanks Hotwater I will inquire. When are orders going in for the diner car? and who is taking them? No local hobby shop out here. Thanks!
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drgwdavid ·
Originally Posted by J Daddy: Thanks Hotwater I will inquire. When are orders going in for the diner car? and who is taking them? No local hobby shop out here. Thanks! www.jdstrains.com www.publicdeliverytrack.com
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Re: 072 PASSENGER CARS WITH 054 OR 060 SWITCHES

Ace ·
I would agree with that idea, but the best test is to try it out with your own equipment and look closely to see if any parts are close to binding. O72 curves aren't really that wide for the longer passenger cars for appearances sake, but I assume your question is mainly regarding tracking ability. Other factors to consider are: how long is the total curve that the train is on, how long and heavy is the train, is there a grade, how smooth is operation over the switch with a complete train...
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Re: 072 PASSENGER CARS WITH 054 OR 060 SWITCHES

rtr12 ·
Yes, linking to youtube videos is fine here. The linking tool is the film strip in the reply box toolbar.
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Re: 072 PASSENGER CARS WITH 054 OR 060 SWITCHES

New Haven Joe ·
I don't have experience with the Atlas CZ cars. My experience with scale length 21 inch cars from Weaver and Golden Gate Depot is that O-72 is about as small a curve that they will negotiate. The cars may not clear the switch machines even if they will track through the switch. The only way to find out is to try it. NH Joe
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Re: 072 PASSENGER CARS WITH 054 OR 060 SWITCHES

BobbyD ·
If you are inquiring concerning one piece of 060 or 054 in a curve most likely if the truck doesn't bind, the car will pass fine. With a wee bit more overhang of course! As Ace says, forces from load, grade, and curves in the consist may derail it.
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Berkshire President ·
While this may work with 0-63, 0-63 does not equal 0-54...by a long shot. There is a reason why the cars were not rated 0-54. You won't know until you try....but I wouldn't bet on it. Best of luck, though.
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Re: Atlas O California Zephyr Seminar

J Daddy ·
They do? Awe nuts... well I guess I can always upgrade the gargrave flex to 108. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: Atlas O California Zephyr Seminar

Jerry Kimble ·
It looks like most of the questions were answered over the weekend. In regards to running these cars remember the 3-rail versions have the Atlas patented Adjust-A-Coupler system that allows the cars to run on 072 diameter curves. You can read more about the Atlas coupler system here: http://www.atlaso.com/adjustacoupler.htm I would ask many of you to think outside the home or apartment and image doing modular. Even if you have a home layout you could still do modular and run what you brung...
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Re: Atlas O California Zephyr Seminar

Jerry Kimble ·
Atlas O California Zephyr Passenger Car Set Update Congratulations and thank-you’s are in order for everyone who recently placed orders for either the Atlas O Golden Spike Club Limited Edition California Zephyr CB&Q Passenger Car Set, or the Dealer Commemorative Edition. Both editions have more than surpassed the required quantities needed for production. The order will be sent to our supplier the middle of next week. For any who may not have heard the news--or heard, but did not think...
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Re: Atlas O California Zephyr Seminar

Jerry Kimble ·
Hey, Everyone I didn't answer the Southern Pacific post on being the 7th railroad being involved with the California Zephyr. I do have the book Portrait of a Silver Lady and I knew about the pictures that were pointed out on page 300 of a 4-6-0 SP helper on the front of the CZ along with a SP F-unit Black Widow on the point of the CZ as well. I didn't consider this another railroad involved with the CZ because they were detours and I still haven't found where SP was a friendly participant...
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Re: Atlas O California Zephyr Seminar

J Daddy ·
I got to meet Jerry at York running the layout. Super guy. They have hit a home run on these sets and I love running mine!
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
Great job, Jerry!
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Re: Atlas O California Zephyr Seminar

bigtruckpete ·
Thanks for sharing the video!!! Great information in there, really liked all the little known facts. These sets are going to be ruling the rails of modular and train club layouts for a long time!!! Can't wait to see 'em running!
 
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