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072 PASSENGER CARS WITH 054 OR 060 SWITCHES

Keith Buenzow ·
Does anyone have experience running cars requiring 072 curves running through 060 or 054 switches? Im curious and thinking that the short distance of the curve in the switch may not affect the overall tracking of the longer cars. If a 072 is immediately connected after the switch, than that would compensate for it. I have the atlas CZ cars and have a video on youtube demonstrating them on 072 vs 063 on atlas track. But this is over multiple sections (3 or 4). Am i allows to link to youtube...
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Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
I am hoping for feedback on methods of adjusting or modifying these cars so that I can use them on my layout consistently. I would think there should be some approach that would eliminate the issues I am having. So far I have not been able to do so. I would appreciate any advice that OGR members or The Atlas Co. may have. These are the only cars that I own that have an issue with, on my layout. It seems to be an issue with all of them at different times. I have had no problems with the Atlas...
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Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

tplee ·
Is anyone else concerned that we might never see the rest of the CA Zephyr set.  Has anyone heard about other cars that Atlas is planning.  I fear they just might abandon the project.  Others thoughts?
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Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

tplee ·
I am having a major issue of keeping the CZ on my O72 curves, they come off the rails every time. Currently pulling 10 cars (waiting for the observation, baggage, etc).  Most of the layout curves are, or will be larger than O72, but there are...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

AGHRMatt ·
Best bet would be to contact Atlas.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

drgwdavid ·
Originally Posted by tplee: Is anyone else concerned that we might never see the rest of the CA Zephyr set. Has anyone heard about other cars that Atlas is planning. I fear they just might abandon the project. Others thoughts? I was talking to the dealer I get my Atlas O from and he mentioned that the observation car will be the next announcement. They realize that customers are getting impatient and wanting to run something resembling a train. We shall see.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

J Daddy ·
I am really looking forward to the next release. I have 2 dome cars and the sleeper. they are fantastic, and I recommend anyone building a layout purchase one of these, their long wheel bases, small wheel flanges, and scale car lengths will tell all. The only thing that looks odd is the blinds appear to be mounted on the outside of the windows and there are no people inside. I will wait for the cars and I hope the rear observation car is next, not many people can fork out over a 800 dollars...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by J Daddy: The only thing that looks odd is the blinds appear to be mounted on the outside of the windows and there are no people inside. Atlas already offered replacement window strips with the blinds correctly located on the INSIDE. All you have to to is slide the old, incorrect, wind strips out and slide the new replacements in. Suggest you contact Mr. Kimble at Atlas, and he'll probably send you some.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

marker ·
In case you missed it, the diner and the conductor's dome are next! Very important for a CZ set, especially the diner.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

hibar ·
Originally Posted by drgwdavid: Originally Posted by Hot Water: Originally Posted by dkdkrd: We must've picked the wrong train to model. Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief! I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!' KD Good post, KD! However, it looks like Golden Gate Depot may have beaten Atlas to the punch on the Santa Fe Super Chief. Alternatives could be, the high level Santa Fe El Capatian, or ANY of the Union Pacific "City of"...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

J Daddy ·
Thanks Hotwater I will inquire. When are orders going in for the diner car? and who is taking them? No local hobby shop out here. Thanks!
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

drgwdavid ·
Originally Posted by J Daddy: Thanks Hotwater I will inquire. When are orders going in for the diner car? and who is taking them? No local hobby shop out here. Thanks! www.jdstrains.com www.publicdeliverytrack.com
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Rocky Mountaineer ·
Personally, I do not like when the importers choose this approach of announcing/producing individual passenger cars over a period of years. I've tolerated it with Lionel's Polar Express (scale cars), but that's been my sole exception. I much prefer when an entire "set" is offered... at least a 4- or 5-pack WITH observation so a short train can be run. The overseas manufacturing relationships are too precarious right now to risk purchasing one car at a time. But if you want the CZ from Atlas,...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Hot Water ·
The Atlas scale length passenger situation is a "darned if you do and darned if you don't" scenario. In Atlas O's defense, they thought they were doing the right thing by spreading out the delivery of an expensive passenger train set, so that potential customers could then afford to purchase the whole set, spread-out over 2 or 3 years. Little did Atlas know that the manufacturer would "throw them out of their factory" due to the Bachman "expansion". On the other side of the coin, Sunset/3rd...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Jerry Kimble ·
We're in the process of shipping the second run of the 10/6 Sleeper and the Dome chair Coach along with having just finished taking orders for the Diner and 16 Section Sleeper. Advanced pre-production photographs of these two cars can be found on our Facebook page. Atlas is committed to the completion of the California Zephyr train and we’ll have additional important announcements shortly that will be communicated through our retailers and on our website, so stick with us as it’s going to be...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Scrapiron Scher ·
Jerry Kimble, I have all of the previously released cars and I agree with all of the comments above. I love the cars but I am unhappy with the Atlas O approach. For goodness sakes, give us the observation for the end of the train before you add more variations of sleepers and coaches.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

dkdkrd ·
Well, also in defense of Atlas as a company trying to make a reasonable return-on-investment (a.k.a., "profit"....hissssssssssssss ), the dies/tooling for these babies do not qualify under 'chump change'. If you want the accuracy of proper contours, window arrangements, interiors, etc., etc., blah, blah, then EACH one of the body styles is different, or heavily modified, tooling. Based on the market size...predicted, now demonstrated...and the economy...oh, wait, there's nothing wrong there!
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by dkdkrd: We must've picked the wrong train to model. Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief! I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!' KD Good post, KD! However, it looks like Golden Gate Depot may have beaten Atlas to the punch on the Santa Fe Super Chief. Alternatives could be, the high level Santa Fe El Capatian, or ANY of the Union Pacific "City of" train sets, with their unique car sides & window patterns.
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

drgwdavid ·
Originally Posted by dkdkrd: Well, also in defense of Atlas as a company trying to make a reasonable return-on-investment (a.k.a., "profit"....hissssssssssssss ), the dies/tooling for these babies do not qualify under 'chump change'. If you want the accuracy of proper contours, window arrangements, interiors, etc., etc., blah, blah, then EACH one of the body styles is different, or heavily modified, tooling. Based on the market size...predicted, now demonstrated...and the economy...oh, wait,...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

drgwdavid ·
Originally Posted by Hot Water: Originally Posted by dkdkrd: We must've picked the wrong train to model. Let's pull the plug on this one and go to the Super Chief! I hear tell you can sell ANYTHING in Santa Fe, Warbonnet, name and colors!' KD Good post, KD! However, it looks like Golden Gate Depot may have beaten Atlas to the punch on the Santa Fe Super Chief. Alternatives could be, the high level Santa Fe El Capatian, or ANY of the Union Pacific "City of" train sets, with their unique car...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

drgwdavid ·
Originally Posted by RockyMountaineer: Personally, I do not like when the importers choose this approach of announcing/producing individual passenger cars over a period of years. I've tolerated it with Lionel's Polar Express (scale cars), but that's been my sole exception. I much prefer when an entire "set" is offered... at least a 4- or 5-pack WITH observation so a short train can be run. The overseas manufacturing relationships are too precarious right now to risk purchasing one car at a...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

David Johnston ·
An observation car with out a dome is not the California Zephyr!
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Mister_Lee ·
At the risk of hijacking this thread, I do hope that somebody comes out with a decent 60 foot RPO, whether it's John Santa Fe's or somebody else's. One of the things about three-rail that irritates me is that even where the prototype had decent short cars available and condensation wasn't necessary, the toy train makers chose to make toy-like models of baggage and RPO cars. The Santa Fe's streamlined RPOs did good service on the Santa Fe, and some ran for a while afterwards on the New Haven...
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Re: Atlas O CZ, Mail, Baggage, observation, etc, Cars

dkdkrd ·
Originally Posted by J Daddy: When are orders going in for the diner car? and who is taking them? No local hobby shop out here. Au contraire... Rider's Hobby Shop of Flint and/or Grand Rapids, Meeeeshigan, are both pleased to take advance orders for ALL manufacturer's products...including Atlas O. In Flint, ask for Mike, Ken, Cheryl, Terry, Gary, Jack, Phil, Neil, ...et al..., of the Trains Dept.. In Grand Rapids, ask for Bill and his crew in the Trains Dept.. The CZ Dining Car...all 3 CZ...
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The Portland Rose ·
Here is the link explaining how to get started on replacing the window strips on the first sets of the Atlas California Zephyr cars: http://www.atlasrr.com/news/ca...lacement-windows.htm
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

mikemike ·
I have Ross 072 switches. No Problems. The uncoupler buttons are a problem for me when they droop and short out. Solution cover with electrical tape. The coupler length adjustment is critical. If they are not set correctly derailments will occur. Mine even run on a curve that is slightly smaller than 072.
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

Boilermaker1 ·
I have no issues on atlas O72, nor issues on Lionel O72 tubular. I've even tried running them on O72 with Kadees and they work just fine with no lifting or tracking issues. You can check that the gauge of the track is correct and also the wheels. The other thing you can do is adjust the coupler bar to see if that helps your problem, or at least eliminates the issue that one car may be pulling the one next to it off the track. Also, the coupler should swing back and forth a bit, make sure...
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

tplee ·
Thanks for the suggestions, emails, and Bill at the Atlas service department. An additional issue was discovered with the Atlas CZ cars. Some of the uncoupler lever buttons hang way to low and only have a 1/64 clearance. The steam and air hoses also seem to be too low and catch on switches. The steam hose comes off easy, the brake line not so easy. It actually needs to be bent up. The whole coupler needed to be raised. I did try to use nail polish to insulate it from shorting, it wasn't...
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

J Daddy ·
Yes I noticed the coupler "thumb tacks" were loose as well. I had great performance from one car I purchased, the dome car. However when I purchase 2 more and coupled them together, that's when all #*&$ broke loose. The adjustable couple works but it will need some tweaking around the layout. S curves they hate, and any switch less than O 100 seems to create issues. The other track item is any up/down transition in the rails has to be so slight, or else the bolster of the truck will bind...
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
I believe I have made some progress since I first wrote the original post involving the O72 issues with the Atlas CZ cars and O72 switches. I appreciate the post replies and emails that offered suggestions and ideas. I have some conclusions that I have applied to my layout and cars. It is not perfect yet, but improved. I will share what I’ve have found to date, my actions taken and why. I found a variety of issues that varied from car to car. I think that these issues mostly appear when...
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Re: 072 PASSENGER CARS WITH 054 OR 060 SWITCHES

Ace ·
I would agree with that idea, but the best test is to try it out with your own equipment and look closely to see if any parts are close to binding. O72 curves aren't really that wide for the longer passenger cars for appearances sake, but I assume your question is mainly regarding tracking ability. Other factors to consider are: how long is the total curve that the train is on, how long and heavy is the train, is there a grade, how smooth is operation over the switch with a complete train...
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rtr12 ·
Yes, linking to youtube videos is fine here. The linking tool is the film strip in the reply box toolbar.
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New Haven Joe ·
I don't have experience with the Atlas CZ cars. My experience with scale length 21 inch cars from Weaver and Golden Gate Depot is that O-72 is about as small a curve that they will negotiate. The cars may not clear the switch machines even if they will track through the switch. The only way to find out is to try it. NH Joe
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Re: 072 PASSENGER CARS WITH 054 OR 060 SWITCHES

BobbyD ·
If you are inquiring concerning one piece of 060 or 054 in a curve most likely if the truck doesn't bind, the car will pass fine. With a wee bit more overhang of course! As Ace says, forces from load, grade, and curves in the consist may derail it.
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Berkshire President ·
While this may work with 0-63, 0-63 does not equal 0-54...by a long shot. There is a reason why the cars were not rated 0-54. You won't know until you try....but I wouldn't bet on it. Best of luck, though.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
j Daddy. That is a great suggestion and easy to do. I was going to use some other material like Lighting powder and CA glue. I will use your tape method. Most of my couplers are 15/64 to 14/64 a few (2) were 13/64. It doesn't take much of a shim to correct the problem. Thanks Again, Buzz
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Dave_C ·
I'm a firm believer in Kadee couplers. It looks like the coupler mounts are the same as the scale coupler conversion they were offering in freight cars at one time. Despite their issues they got me started in converting everything to Kadee's. In your case these might be worth a shot and give the Atlas adjustacouplers a try. I would first remove the the stock Atlas centering spring and replace it with a Kadee which is much softer. You can also file back the coupler box to allow more swing.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Hot Water ·
I'll second Dave C's post above. Although I did not purchase the Atlas CZ passenger set, I did purchase the dome observation and baggage car. I found a way to modify the Atlas "claw coupler" mount, in order to accept a Kadee O Scale coupler, and still retain that "talgo truck mounting" arrangement that Atlas uses. I now can include that really nice CZ baggage car into my CB&Q heavyweight passenger train from Golden Gate Depot.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

RoyBoy ·
I have removed the thumbtack from several cars. How often does one uncouple passenger cars anyway? The uncoupling tab can be removed from the coupler and the top pf the thumbtack drilled out. Reassembly leaves a coupler without a thumbtack at all. Works well even if it droops a little.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
Dave C do you have any photos of the installation of the Kadee Couplers on the CZ cars you could share. I would like to try a couple of them. I would also like to see what the 2R Atlas CZ's look like from someone who bought them to see how they were set up.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
Photos Updated, note the roller below rail. Hope this makes it easier to see. Buzz
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

DL&W Pete ·
I took my 13 amtrak cars to nj hirailers and had a complete meltdown, derailed every chance it could through switches and there O72 curves. The plastic diaframs fell off too, the cars have no problems at home on my circle of O82 realtraxx.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

J Daddy ·
Buzz - thank you for the diligent work. I appreciate the updates and I will be following your findings, I have sentence my CZ cars to run an outer loop with 096 min curves, with no cross over switches. I was able to eliminate the un-coupling of cars by adding a small piece of black electrical tape to the inside of the couplers.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Matt A ·
Great write up. Now I know why postwar Lionel had chamfered rollers. Try calling Atlas and see if you can get chamfered rollers.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Dave_C ·
I don't own the CZ cars. Just speaking from experience of doing many scale coupler conversions on a variety of cars. I never had any issues with the Atlas adjustacouplers. My biggest gripes was they wouldn't mate to a stock 3 rail coupler, the centering spring was way to stiff, and they wouldn't work with the Kadee magnets. I have a few sets of these couplers and would be happy to swap them out to a Kadee spring and ship them to you to try. This would eliminate your thumbtack issue. Atlas...
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Hot Water ·
For what it's worth, I found out the hard way that those types of 21" long passenger cars do NOT like too close together turnouts into curves, i.e. the "S curve syndrome".
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

fisch330 ·
I note that you have Ross Custom switches. After consulting with Atlas about the problem, perhaps Steve Brenneisen from Ross might make a suggestion. It sure makes a pretty looking train, whatever you do! Paul Fischer
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Big John Henry ·
Interesting, I don't run mine across any switches. I use atlas track and will have to investigate now.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

J Daddy ·
I have the complete car set as well. The cars are beautiful, however they are not made to work on 072 curves or switches. When the cars where first released I had no issue with ONE car taking these turns but couple another on and the fun began. First off I have notice that the details of the underbody do not like DZ1000 switch machines and their large screw heads. They even seem to pick the switch springs. I have never been able to get this set to traverse over 072 curves. Thus I only run...
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

richtrow ·
Buzz You might want to ask guys over on the "3RS" forum about the Kadee conversions. I'm sure someone over there has done these cars by now. From your photos, it looks like the cars are pre-drilled for the draft gear boxes as is usual for Atlas equipment. You probably just need some styrene shims and Kadees with the correct shank length. That's a nice layout you've got started there. Good luck!
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