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Re: Atlas O California Zephyr Seminar

Jerry Kimble ·
J. Daddy, Rocky Mountaineer and Big Truck Pete, Thanks for your kind words which are appreciated. I have a lot of enthusiasm for this train because I've done a lot of research on it and the more I dig the more I learn. For instance did you know that at one point 6 class 1 railroads were involved in the operation of this beautiful train. The first person that names all 6 correctly I'll give a free primary membership to our Golden Spike Club or if you're already a member I'll find a scale...
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3rail 2 ·
How is this? CB&Q Burlington Northern PRR WP DRGW Amtrak Donald
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Jerry Kimble ·
Donald, Excellent try but not correct, sorry. Jerry Kimble - Atlas Model Railroad Company
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
Here's my entry... CB&Q, D&RGW, WP, PRR, NYC, and Amtrak I'm almost 100% certain on the first 5... Amtrak is a guess. David
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Jerry Kimble ·
David, Close but no cigar, sorry. Jerry Kimble - Atlas Model Railroad Company
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
OK... so let me amend the Amtrak portion of my answer to be a combination of Burlington Northern (east of Denver) and Southern Pacific (west of Ogden, UT) during the Amtrak era. Am I getting warmer? Or colder? But now I'm counting 7 RR names (not including Amtrak). David
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Jerry Kimble ·
David, Cooler and I'm headed home from work. Jerry Kimble - Atlas Model Railroad Company
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
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VidKidz ·
WP CB&Q D&RGW PRR NYC AT&SF
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breezinup ·
My guess on the six Class Ones involved are: CBQ, Rio Grande, Western Pacific, Union Pacific, Southern Pacific, Pennsylvania
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Hot Water ·
In my opinion the key phrase here is the "operation of.......". Thus, the CB&Q, D&RGW, and WP are obvious, however switching operations on Oakland, CA and Chicago Union Station could involve other "railroads". Just because the CZ carried a PRR car in the consist does NOT mean that the PRR was even remotely involved in the "operation of" the CZ.
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catnap ·
If all 12 cars in the set come packed inside of the white box then it should probably arrive on a skid and require a forklift to pick up. I get the impression that each car is quite heavy.
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breezinup ·
I don't know. Seems if a railroad supplies some cars for a train, it's involved in the operation of that train. I'm sure there were numerous agreements entered into, and requirements exchanged, between the Pennsylvania and the DRG, WP and Q involving the accommodation of a through sleeper, that affected the operation of the train. As to what constitutes "operation" of the CZ, that's a matter of semantics. I believe there is a difference between operating a train, and being involved in the...
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Re: Atlas O California Zephyr Seminar

Jerry Kimble ·
Everyone, Thanks for your participation as VidKidz got it correct in being the CB&Q, DRG&W, WP, PRR, NYC and AT&SF. You can read about it here: http://calzephyr.railfan.net/history.html Let me know via e-mail what your preference is for coming up with the right answer either the primary membership to our Golden Spike Club or a scale rolling stock piece 3 or 2-rail. My e-mail is jkimble@atlaso.com and with the e-mail give me your full name and address, thanks. Jerry Kimble - Atlas...
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hibar ·
As was the NYC when it occasionally added the PRR CZ car to one of its NYC bound trains.
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breezinup ·
Not sure this was in effect at some time during the running of the CZ, but if so I suppose the SP could be said to be involved in the operation as well. Gets confusing. "The Feather River Route parallels the Overland Route in central Nevada between Weso (near Winnemucca ) and Alazon (near Wells ). The Southern Pacific Railroad and Western Pacific came to a shared trackage agreement to use directional running . Eastbound trains of both companies used the tracks for the Feather River Route...
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rdunniii ·
Um, the SP was definitely involved in switching of the CZ at the Oakland mole through 1958. The only reason I have a Sunset s12 0-6-0 reserved is because they were used to backhaul the train from the mole to WP tracks for maintenance. After 1958 the terminal was changed to the WP station in Oakland on WP tracks.
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Big John Henry ·
Great video, full of great information. One question. What is the radius of the track used on that layout?
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
Over on another Atlas-O CZ thread, I believe Jerry commented that the outer curves are O-99 and the inner curves are O-90. The CZ looked right at home on those radii. David
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Big John Henry ·
Yes, unfortunately my outside is O 90.
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J Daddy ·
I wish Atlas made O-105. I used O-99 on my inner curves and had to use gargraves flex for the outer. You can still see the rail peek out from the car body as it progresses over the O-99.
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Hudson J1e ·
Very informative video. I enjoyed it. Thanks for posting it. I was at York but for only one day and I didn't have time for the seminar. J Daddy, Atlas does make O-108. Just curious why you didn't use that? Big John Henry: It won't look as good but I think the cars will go around O-90 curves.
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Big John Henry ·
I can enlarge to 10 feet wide. It will takes some effort that I am not ready to invest. I have not run my cars yet. I have all but the first two and Lionel Burlington F3 power which I also have not run. I gave up scale after 30 years and returned to traditional O gauge to put my favorite post war sets together with PWC selections. I held on to the California Zephyr
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breezinup ·
So it looks like there were in fact 7 railroads involved with the operation of the CZ, not 6. Jerry's going to have to hold on to the prize and come up with a different question.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Hot Water ·
For what it's worth, I found out the hard way that those types of 21" long passenger cars do NOT like too close together turnouts into curves, i.e. the "S curve syndrome".
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fisch330 ·
I note that you have Ross Custom switches. After consulting with Atlas about the problem, perhaps Steve Brenneisen from Ross might make a suggestion. It sure makes a pretty looking train, whatever you do! Paul Fischer
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Big John Henry ·
Interesting, I don't run mine across any switches. I use atlas track and will have to investigate now.
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J Daddy ·
I have the complete car set as well. The cars are beautiful, however they are not made to work on 072 curves or switches. When the cars where first released I had no issue with ONE car taking these turns but couple another on and the fun began. First off I have notice that the details of the underbody do not like DZ1000 switch machines and their large screw heads. They even seem to pick the switch springs. I have never been able to get this set to traverse over 072 curves. Thus I only run...
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

richtrow ·
Buzz You might want to ask guys over on the "3RS" forum about the Kadee conversions. I'm sure someone over there has done these cars by now. From your photos, it looks like the cars are pre-drilled for the draft gear boxes as is usual for Atlas equipment. You probably just need some styrene shims and Kadees with the correct shank length. That's a nice layout you've got started there. Good luck!
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

mikey ·
I have the same consist that you have,I put tape on all of the thumb tacks before the cars ever saw track.I run on 096 curves and Ross 096,096x072 switches as well as 096 curve switches with no problems,I also back the cars into the passenger platform thru the switches with no problem going slowly. Mikey
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New Haven Joe ·
I don't have this set. You might try raising the car body height by putting washers between the trucks and the frame to allow the trucks to just clear the bottom of the car body when they swing. This shouldn't change the coupler heights since the couplers are attached to the trucks. I have no idea if this would be an easy or difficult modification. I have done this successfully on a couple of my cars that had similar problems. NH Joe
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
I believe I have made some progress since I first wrote the original post involving the O72 issues with the Atlas CZ cars and O72 switches. I appreciate the post replies and emails that offered suggestions and ideas. I have some conclusions that I have applied to my layout and cars. It is not perfect yet, but improved. I will share what I’ve have found to date, my actions taken and why. I found a variety of issues that varied from car to car. I think that these issues mostly appear when...
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
Photos Updated, note the roller below rail. Hope this makes it easier to see. Buzz
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DL&W Pete ·
I took my 13 amtrak cars to nj hirailers and had a complete meltdown, derailed every chance it could through switches and there O72 curves. The plastic diaframs fell off too, the cars have no problems at home on my circle of O82 realtraxx.
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J Daddy ·
Buzz - thank you for the diligent work. I appreciate the updates and I will be following your findings, I have sentence my CZ cars to run an outer loop with 096 min curves, with no cross over switches. I was able to eliminate the un-coupling of cars by adding a small piece of black electrical tape to the inside of the couplers.
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Matt A ·
Great write up. Now I know why postwar Lionel had chamfered rollers. Try calling Atlas and see if you can get chamfered rollers.
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tplee ·
j Daddy. That is a great suggestion and easy to do. I was going to use some other material like Lighting powder and CA glue. I will use your tape method. Most of my couplers are 15/64 to 14/64 a few (2) were 13/64. It doesn't take much of a shim to correct the problem. Thanks Again, Buzz
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Dave_C ·
I'm a firm believer in Kadee couplers. It looks like the coupler mounts are the same as the scale coupler conversion they were offering in freight cars at one time. Despite their issues they got me started in converting everything to Kadee's. In your case these might be worth a shot and give the Atlas adjustacouplers a try. I would first remove the the stock Atlas centering spring and replace it with a Kadee which is much softer. You can also file back the coupler box to allow more swing.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Hot Water ·
I'll second Dave C's post above. Although I did not purchase the Atlas CZ passenger set, I did purchase the dome observation and baggage car. I found a way to modify the Atlas "claw coupler" mount, in order to accept a Kadee O Scale coupler, and still retain that "talgo truck mounting" arrangement that Atlas uses. I now can include that really nice CZ baggage car into my CB&Q heavyweight passenger train from Golden Gate Depot.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

RoyBoy ·
I have removed the thumbtack from several cars. How often does one uncouple passenger cars anyway? The uncoupling tab can be removed from the coupler and the top pf the thumbtack drilled out. Reassembly leaves a coupler without a thumbtack at all. Works well even if it droops a little.
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tplee ·
Dave C do you have any photos of the installation of the Kadee Couplers on the CZ cars you could share. I would like to try a couple of them. I would also like to see what the 2R Atlas CZ's look like from someone who bought them to see how they were set up.
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Dave_C ·
I don't own the CZ cars. Just speaking from experience of doing many scale coupler conversions on a variety of cars. I never had any issues with the Atlas adjustacouplers. My biggest gripes was they wouldn't mate to a stock 3 rail coupler, the centering spring was way to stiff, and they wouldn't work with the Kadee magnets. I have a few sets of these couplers and would be happy to swap them out to a Kadee spring and ship them to you to try. This would eliminate your thumbtack issue. Atlas...
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