Tagged With "Z4000"

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Additional O Scale Transformers (Help!)

PhoebeSnow ·
Hello all, I currently have an MTH DCS layout powered by a Z4000, through both handles. On the left, I have a main table with three main loops of track along with some sidings. On the right, I have two simple loops around the ceiling of the room. On...
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Atlas turntable power

Porsche1662 ·
Hi Guys, working on my turntable this weekend. I have 14 lines coming off. Im trying to figure the best way to power each line.  Do I need to run a separate line to the port terminal block for every one or can I wire two terminal strip close to the turntable then one line to PTB ?  If I can should I use a heavier ga wire from each TS to the PTB ?  Or do you recommend a separate transformer for this? layout is 9x22 with 3 loops and the turntable...
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EM-1 (6-28051) won't run on conventional power SOLVED!!

arcticrail ·
Hello all, Feel pretty silly for posting this but I've spent a couple hours surfing the web and the forums here for an answer and no luck yet.  I'm sure I'm missing something obvious... I just purchased a Lionel EM-1 and have been trying to get it to move on conventional power.  I have an MTH Z4000 for power.  When I power it up, I get sounds, and the bell and whistle function correctly.  In neutral, the lights are all on and the smoke generator works.  Actuating the...
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Jim Schababerle ·
As a first time post attempt, let me say thanks for your feedback and contributions.. With the last couple of posts I believe we gone off track on a tangent and that would be a good time to close/suspend this discussion. I will share an update after we complete our repairs. That may take a while. Until then "Stay on track." Cheers!
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Pine Creek Railroad ·
BOOMER, Are the MTH Z4K's identified in any manner on the Transformers, allowing owners to know were the Z4K was actually made? PCRR/Dave
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

L & N ·
Yes they are. The first 2 digits are the month produced, i.e. 01= January, 02= February, 12= December. The next 2 digits, (positions 3 & 4) are the last 2 digits of the year, 16 = 2016, 98 = 1998. Examples: 0398XXXXX = March 1998 one of the first runs 1198XXXXX = November 1998 1001XXXXX = October 2001 Steve
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Pine Creek Railroad ·
RJR, My original is around 15 years old and I am not sure how old the other 2 I picked up used, really are, I will look on the shipping Carton of my original to see where it was made. The shipping containers of the other 2 are long gone. I was hoping that on the actual Z4K Transformer there was some kind of ident, showing this information. Other than one of my used Z4K's having the voltage display 1.7V low to the digital read out, they all work perfectly. All my Z4K side receivers have...
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

RJR ·
I'm packing to board the Southwest Chief in LA to head back to VA, so have no idea what serial number or country of origin is. Dave. If you go to York, stop by the upgrade table Wed night and let's meet.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Pine Creek Railroad ·
RJR, Unfortunately I have not been to a York for over 30 years, maybe someday I will be able to make it, would really like to meet all the OGR forum members, especially the DCS & Legacy Groups. When my Fly Fishing/Gun Dog business finally winds down completely, I plan on attending, can't attend before that time. PCRR/Dave
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Tiffany ·
Hello L & N........... I think what BOOMER mentioned of "WHERE" the Z4000's are made from as on mine ,it says Thailand as its is clearly marked on the flat white outer shipping carton in bold letters " MADE IN THAILAND" so I would think the others would be as marked in Korean, China........ On mine Z4000, the S/N is 101145599 (Oct 2011) which I bought new in Dec 2012. I have used mine a lot using Williams F-3's ABA units, all powered 6 motors total and this unit didn't even warm up @ 13...
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

RJR ·
Mine is 15 years old. Never had any issues with it or the Z4k receiver.
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Re: EM-1 (6-28051) won't run on conventional power SOLVED!!

chris a ·
Thanks for posting this TRW, my EM-1 is showing same symptom.... It's nice to be able to come here do a search and find a posting like this.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

GGG ·
I would say you can do a hand check for heat, or use one of those cheap thermal devices before you open a Z-4000 up. All the new stuff I see has lock washers and thread lock on them. If running heavy loads at high amps, feel the terminals for excess heat. If none, leave alone. G
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Pine Creek Railroad ·
GGG, I agree, owning 3 of them, if this was a common occurrence I would probably have one that malfunctioned, I do not. PCRR/Dave
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Former Member ·
Was this Z4000 of Korean,Chinese or Thai (Thailand) manufacture? I and several friends all have 20-30 between us.Interestingly, it appears the earlier Korean Z's have had the most problems,I've fixed several with loose handles and pots.. The Chinese Z's seemed to be made with lighter/thinner materials,the housing/handles . The most recent Z's made in Thailand have had no issues and seem to be the most "robust"and the workmanship/ internal components appear to be superior.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Jim Schababerle ·
@Boomer - would you know the range of serial numbers for the different manufacturing locations? That is the target for our curiosity, really. Since our club ad members have so many Z4000's and with so few problems reported, we are wondering if there is a serial number range / batch that are more prone to problems.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Marty Fitzhenry ·
Jim, this is a good post to give guys a heads up. Marty
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

RJR ·
Marty, having opened all 4 of my tius to check tetminals, I accept your recommendation to do likewise on the Z4k. Any complications in that process? I'm in San Diego area for a few days and will put that on myto-do list for when I get home.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Marty Fitzhenry ·
I would not state this is a common issue and have no documentation on how many are a problem. I am not saying that everyone should open up items to check. I did all of the items I have because I did not want the issue repeated. Bob, call me before you open a Z4K.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Marty Fitzhenry ·
I have seen that. It happens with the nut inside that holds the connectors in place being loose. It is not something that happens with one release. It is not an issue related to any number. Alan is correct. I have one on the layout that was given to me with that issue. I run several Z4K transformers and have opened all of them to check for this issue. Easy to fix.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

GGG ·
Is the common issue here that those Track 2 terminals are connected to the same club loop? IS there and issue with the track loop? Was anyone monitoring Amperage from the Z-4000. G
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Jim Schababerle ·
@GGG, Thanks for your request for clarification. This Z-4000 melted down at a one of our shows, though there was nothing unusual about our layout at this show. It was a common configuration that we had been using for other shows earlier in the season. See attached picture......the melt down was on the right handle. Our curiosity is that another transformer that we had been using earlier in the year also failed on the right handle side, though not a melt down issue. We sent that one in for...
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Joe Allen ·
It appears to me that the meltdown was on the outside from a loose connection most likely from a spade connector or wire being loose. Loose connections like these will not trip breakers or fuses.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

GGG ·
Well, the good news is that it doesn't look like the case is distorted too much. So as long as internal wires are ok, the Terminal can be replaced. G
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Pine Creek Railroad ·
Jim S, I have 3 Z4k's, no issues what so ever. PCRR/Dave
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

L & N ·
Some of the 1198 numbered transformers were wired out of phase from the factory. Preferably you need to check them with a Z4K that starts with a different series. Steve
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

rtr12 ·
I don't own any Z4000's, but the melted banana jack looks like a similar problem that has been occasionally reported with some TIU's, from having a loose connection where the banana jack is fastened to the TIU's housing and the nuts have worked loose.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Alan Mancus ·
any transformer no matter who makes it can fail from a melted terminal if the holding nuts on the terminals inside the transformer becomes loose. don't blame the transformer it is not that difficult to check the inside terminals for tightness, if you don't feel comfortable I'm sure you have a friend in your hobby that would be glad to check your transformers for you weather it is a Lionel or MTH model!!! Alan P,S. THE P[ROBLEM IS WHEN THERE IS A Loose connections that creates heat and the...
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Pine Creek Railroad ·
Repair Tech, Alan you are absolutely correct and for this reason I recommend using good male Banana Plugs on the Z4K and the MTH TIU's, set up in this manner I have never had any loose connections, that lead to this kind problem. PCRR/Dave
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

F&G RY ·
Hindsight, being 20/20. 18 volts and 6 amps is a lot of power to run a crane. Checking actual voltage probably done after meltdown. I had a similiar problem. Where those output wires plug into the power board the socket failed. Most likely a poor connection. My 20/20 Hindsight is do not waste a Z-4000 throttle running lights at 16 volts and 8.5 amps. Normal parameters but time of use pushed it over the edge.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

F&G RY ·
Is it a good practice to put a product like Loctite on these connections to make sure. TIUs also.
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Re: Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Oman ·
I read a similar post about the MTH terminal block. Loose connections internally. The advise on that post was to open up your TIUs and terminal blocks and tighten the fasteners. It made sense to me. The post didn't mention the Z4000, but it's probably the same.
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Wireless trip circuit for emergency stop

pro hobby ·
Wireless trip circuit for emergency stop This wireless E-Stop system is used with a custom E-Stop and circuit breaker panel (shown).   As a result I now have several ways to cut power to the track in an emergency. I can use either the separate E-stop buttons or the wireless controller. The wireless pendant controller merely disconnects a 12 volt power supply that is used as a holding voltage for the emergency stop circuit.   Note: The trip circuit simply removes track power from my...
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Your opinion on the MTH z4000 and the MRC Pure Power Duel

DennyM ·
I want to buy a Lionel ZW-C that comes with the two bricks, but I have also been looking at the MTH z4000 and the MRC Pure power. I'm not real familiar with either one of them so those of you who use them can tell me how they are working out for you. I have used the ZW-C at a couple of friends homes on their layouts. I plan on looking for a ZW-C at York in October, but if I don't find one, the z4000 or the MRC are my back up plan. The ZW-L cost way too much to even consider .
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Z4000 Serial Numbers - Common Issue? (Closed Topic - See my last reply)

Jim Schababerle ·
IF you have had a failure of a MTH Z-4000, please check the serial number of your unit, read below and let me know if your serial number is in the range of 119865###? My train club has had 2 units fail, including 1 unit that failed, was repaired, and had the same failure again. The failures are either right handle inoperable or melted wire nut connector on back. Our 2 problem units are within 300 serial number units..... Z #1 119865544 Z#2 119865245 Our club has several other Z-4000's and...
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Re: EM-1 (6-28051) won't run on conventional power SOLVED!!

Former Member ·
I have seen this on a few Legacy and TMCC steamers, tt may need to be reset with a cab1 remote. That process will be in the manual.
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Re: EM-1 (6-28051) won't run on conventional power SOLVED!!

Marty Fitzhenry ·
How about an item number.
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Re: EM-1 (6-28051) won't run on conventional power SOLVED!!

PaperTRW ·
He listed the item number in his title, Marty. It sounds like you might have the problem that afflicts all 6-28051 B&O EM-1's. The "pulsating noise" you hear from the rear of the locomotive is likely the motor spinning without a firm connection to the drive shaft. All of the 6-28051 B&O EM-1's from the factory had a defect in the driveline -- the driveshaft wasn't fixed to the coupling to the motor. Lionel offers a repair service (a $20 charge) to fix it. I hope this helps. TRW
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Re: EM-1 (6-28051) won't run on conventional power SOLVED!!

arcticrail ·
Thanks for the responses guys. I did see the reset instructions in the manual, I'll have to hunt down a Cab-1 unit to do the reset. I'll check that first before checking the drive shaft. Might take a few days but I'll post a response on what I find. Have a good weekend.... Kenny
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Re: EM-1 (6-28051) won't run on conventional power SOLVED!!

J Daddy ·
Last time I tried to repair mine the parts where un-available. I was able to purchase the Allegheny drive mechanism and modify it. Note that the knuckles in the U joint tend to snap to... the plastic material tends to dry out.
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Re: EM-1 (6-28051) won't run on conventional power SOLVED!!

Marty Fitzhenry ·
It is listed now. TY.
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Re: EM-1 (6-28051) won't run on conventional power SOLVED!!

arcticrail ·
SOLVED!!! It was the coupling slipping on the shaft as PAPERTRW suggested. I ended up drilling and pinning the coupling to the shaft. Odd that the coupling already had one hole drilled but no physical means of locking the two together, go figure. In any case, thanks for the replies and suggestions, was really glad to have this one running before Christmas!! Now off to figure out why the smoke unit isn't puffing.....always something. Merry Christmas to you all! Kenny
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Re: Your opinion on the MTH z4000 and the MRC Pure Power Duel

rtr12 ·
I don't understand MTH not liking the MRC either? I thought the MRC was supposed to be a good pure sine wave transformer? I am sold on the Lionel PH-180's for powering all my trains. IMO, those can't be beat for fast breakers, power output and value. However, I do like the looks, size, power rating and prices of the big MRC. I have been thinking about getting one to use for all my accessory power. I agree with the poster above about one of the magazines doing a review comparing the ZW-L,...
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Re: Your opinion on the MTH z4000 and the MRC Pure Power Duel

Rixster ·
I have been using the MRC Dual for years with my TMCC and Legacy engines and have never had any problems. Rick
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Re: Your opinion on the MTH z4000 and the MRC Pure Power Duel

The GN Man ·
I wonder if MTH is confusing the MRC Pure Power Dual with the older MRC "Dual Power 027"? The older unit was a chopped-sine-wave (triac controlled) power source. I selected the MTH Z-4000 because of the number of units I see running all day on the large modular layouts at train shows. Reliability, sine-wave output and remote control capability were important considerations for me. I have no regrets! I think the MRC Pure Power Dual is also a good unit, however.
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Re: Additional O Scale Transformers (Help!)

PhoebeSnow ·
Thanks for all of your help. Hopefully smoetime this weekend I I'll attempt Susan Deats's solution and hope it works. Have a good weekend and happy holidays!
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Re: Your opinion on the MTH z4000 and the MRC Pure Power Duel

Al W. ·
I use a MRC dual power that I bought used. I run TMCC and DCS--- no problems. I shelved my ZW and type V. Al W.
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Re: Your opinion on the MTH z4000 and the MRC Pure Power Duel

John H ·
I also use an MRC with DCS---no problems.
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Re: Your opinion on the MTH z4000 and the MRC Pure Power Duel

gunrunnerjohn ·
Supports my contention that it's hard to imagine how it could affect DCS. I'd like to know how MTH came to that conclusion.
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Re: Your opinion on the MTH z4000 and the MRC Pure Power Duel

hokie71 ·
I had the MRC a few years ago, I run conventional with legacy, tmcc, ps1,2,3 etc. It was inconsistent and I replaced it with Z-1000s that are fine across all of these platforms.
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