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Powering a McKeen Car

Madison Kirkman ·
This is my first model train I have built,(and maybe my last McKeen Car) and I would like some help with Ideas on how to power it.  I purchased a motor used in the engine in the starter sets made by Lionel. ...
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MTH DCS WiFi Interface Unit How-To

ericstrains.com ·
Here's a new video demonstrating basic usage of the MTH DCS WiFi Interface Unit. I hope you find it helpful. Thanks, Eric Siegel
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PSAP2010 ·
Howdy Eric, I noticed in your video that you didn’t mention that the TIU needs an update prior to connecting the WIU in order for the Wi-Fi app to work. I purchased the WIU a couple of years ago but haven’t used it because of my TIU which has the 9 pin port has not had the update. Is the TIU update not required anymore with with a newer WIU? Larry
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yamawho ·
The one that does not require a TIU is the DCS Explorer ...
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Is the TIU update not required anymore with with a newer WIU? It's absolutely essential that the software all be in sync: TIU - DCS 6.1 WIU - 1.1 DCS App - 3.2.1
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PSAP2010 ·
I discovered the USB port on my TIU the other day and found a spare USB cord which I didn't need since one came with the WIU. I also ordered a 1/8" plug to 1/8" stereo cord from Amazon which I didn't need since I already had one for iPod use in the wife's rig. Must have been a "senior moment." I found a 4 wire phone handset cord on one of my old wired phones which I had stored in my garage. Now I had all the necessary items to do the updates for the TIU. I down loaded the Loader program,...
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Larry, If you want to get the most out of your DCS WiFi experience, I suggest that you do a little bit of reading... Everything that you need to know about DCS WiFi is all in MTH’s “The DCS WiFi Companion 2nd Edition!" This book is available from many fine OGR advertisers and forum sponsors, as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store!
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Robert Cushman ·
Where does the Lionel Legacy 990 go into the TIU or does it go to WIU? Also what power supply is sufficient for the TIU for a basic 2 loop like I have here running 2 engines at once. Could I run a Mth train and Lionel Legacy at the same time with the DCS App? Currently have a 80 watt Lionel with legacy 990. I have 1 mth genesis I want to run all features on and kind of want to control the Lionel on the app but not sure if it’s worth the extra $ probably just grab the DcS Commander instead.
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ChiTown Steve ·
Eric, That was very helpful. Thanks so much for doing that. I thought this would more time consuming than it is. Off to order a WIFI unit from my fantasy football winnings.
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Robert, Where does the Lionel Legacy 990 go into the TIU or does it go to WIU? Use MTH cable #50-1032 to connect the TIU's serial port to a Lionel SER2, and then on to the Lionel Legacy command base if you want to operate Legacy engines in Legacy mode. If you merely desire to operate Legacy engines in TMCC mode from the Premium version of the DCS App, just connect the cable directly to the Legacy command base. The need for the SER2 is because a Legacy command base cannot accept Legacy...
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Robert Cushman ·
ok DCS it is but for the power supply. What will be good enough for that layout for me? Would this work Barry. https://www.modeltrainstuff.co...ply/#product-reviews
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Robert, Yes, that would work very well to power a TIU channel.
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Robert Cushman ·
Barry give me a quick rundown of exactly what I need besides the app, 1. MTH O 50-1017 TIU/Barrel Jack Power Adapter 2. MTH Trains TIU/TMCC 6'Connector Cable MTH501032 3. TIU 4. WIU 5. Power Supply 180 Lionel Pretend I'm even slower than you probably have me pegged out to be at train stuff lol. Also would that power supply work with my Lionel legacy 990 more efficiently than the 80 watt one I use.
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Robert, Since the WIU will come with a USB cable to connect A Rev. L TIU to the WIU, everything else that you listed is just what you need, with one exception. The Lionel PH 180 has a Molex connector, not a barrel jack. You have three choices as to how to connect it to the TIU: Cut the Molex connector off the PH180 and connect the two wires directly to the TIU's Fixed #1 Input channel terminals. Purchase an adapter cable from Lionel (don't know the part number or the price) that will convert...
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Robert Cushman ·
Barry, ordered tiu. Which is better for the TiU z1000 or the Lionel 180 with more confusing wiring.
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PSAP2010 ·
I use the Lionel 180, more available wattage if you are running more than one engine/train.
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Robert, Which is better for the TiU z1000 or the Lionel 180 with more confusing wiring. My choice would be the PH180. While the Z1000 is a bit less expensive and is "plug and play" with a TIU Channel, the PH180 is the much better choice for its more power (10 amps vs. 5.5 amps at 18 volts) and its better circuit breaker. I don't see how the wiring is any more complicated, at all.
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Robert Cushman ·
Ok I’ll go with the Lionel. It’s not that much more. 1.so cut molex off 2. Splice 3. Insert here in the photo 4. Buy molex adapters for resale value right?
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Robert, If you're going to buy Molex adapters, just do that and don't cut off the Molex connectors on the PH180.
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Robert Cushman ·
Barry this is option 3 correct or what I want to make minus the. Banana plus correct? Would I need to buy the crimper?
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Robert, That cable is all you need to connect the PH180 to a TIU Channel. It has a Molex on one end and Banana plugs on the other. This would be the preferred way to go. You would not need the crimping tool.
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Robert Cushman ·
Barry http://www.lionel.com/products...apter-cable-6-12893/ this or https://www.ebay.com/itm/LIONE...ble-15-/323456920162
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Robert, The second one.
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Re: Powering a McKeen Car

Steve "Papa" Eastman ·
Mine has a Marx diesel motors and frames with simple home made fake trucks. Steve
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Madison Kirkman ·
I don't think I would want to do that, I built the truck, since the original ones were custom made, so I would like to keep my truck. I would not mind adding a bracket or something to be able to house the motor to the truck.
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Old Goat ·
Review the Northwest Short Line and the Q-Car Company websites for ideas.
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colorado hirailer ·
Getting/fabicating the correct front truck has to be one of the peaks to be surmounted with these cars..great that you have done that. Maybe a Marx mechanism that, as in their cabbed diesels, turns with the front truck is workable, after engineering a gearing to drive the front axle. Or possibly powering the rear truck, where complete mechanisms, with truck frames that can be modified, can be used.
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colorado hirailer ·
I meant to add...since you have the difficult to form body and unusual front truck fabricated, you are over the big humps. I hope others on here with more experience powering creations, can offer mechanical suggestions. An old choice for rear truck power was that chain driven truck offered by Walthers for their gas electric kits. There must be something more modern than that, and applicable to three rail, out there.
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mwb ·
Very good to see you making the attempt to create a reasonable representation of the unique drive truck of the McKeen car. Just plopping a body on a diesel drive is really an visually unsatisfying compromise. I'll reinforce the the Old Goat's suggestion that you look at the NWSL and Q-car for powering ideas. From NWSL you could get a Magic Carpet drive unit that might be built into that same truck w/o taking up excess space that would also fit under the floor neatly. From Q-car you might be...
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Old Goat ·
....also investigate the Hollywood Foundry website for ideas...
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Madison Kirkman ·
My only problem is the price, I don't want to spend that much money, is there a worm gear I can purchase that, with a vertically mounted motor, I can run the train at regular speed? Also, I want this to be able to run on 036, so I have to have a motor less then an inch wide, an inch and a half long, with the axle one C.M. in from the back and height doesn't matter so much. All I need is either a worm gear that works with the starter motor, or a gear box. I tried making a gear box out of...
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Madison Kirkman ·
Does Hollywood Foundry sell powered o scale wheel sets?
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Old Goat ·
HF does not sell O scale trucks...it was just a suggestion for ideas. You could contact him and inquire about a custom drive. Also, check the Grandt Line Products website. They offer transmissions that might work for your project. One of the direct style gearboxes from NWSL should work. Dave at NWSL should be able to help as long as you provide him with all the details and measurements.
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Trainman9 ·
I thought MTH was making one. Did it ever get made?
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Madison Kirkman ·
no, they canceled the order.
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rdg_fan ·
Bowser Manufacturing may be able to help, or Frank Timko.
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Nairb Rekab ·
I also used a Marx diesel switcher motor assembly to power the Clark Autotram I built.
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colorado hirailer ·
I looked at Q Car, NW Shortline, and Hollywood Foundry (which last went up to, but not beyond, S scale) websites, and nothing much has improved in the decades I have been looking for power for 1/4" 3 rail creations. (when I began, I was blown off by one of the above, which is now under new ownership, for wanting a three rail drive train) On this site I have learned I am most certainly not the only person with such interest. Bowser was only the source I found, for single and two truck...
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Burlington Route ·
I would suggest a north west shortline gear box on the larger wheel axle...under drive and the motor in the floor with a flywheel. Being that the front truck wheels are different sizes you'll probably never be able to drive them both the same speed. An amusing totally old school idea...and this is waaaaay left field, is the old athern HO scale rubber band drive system. You'd need a drum nearly as large as the large drive wheel and a front to back running shaft to drive it off of- a slightly...
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mwb ·
Originally Posted by Old Goat: One of the direct style gearboxes from NWSL should work. Dave at NWSL should be able to help as long as you provide him with all the details and measurements. This is probably your best bet in getting a gearbox that will fit into your drive truck powering the front wheel. You might be able to use this from Q-car but it will take work and it's ~$100 You'll have to change the wheels - Q-car does not have anything to do with 3-rail - no interest in that market and...
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Old Goat ·
Precision Scale also offers gearboxes...you'll need to reference their catalog...not listed on the website.
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Madison Kirkman ·
I don't know, most of these items will not work, although the Q-car one looks plausible, I think the 3-6 month wait is not the best. I find it hard to believe that the part is so expense, considering that all there is a brass gear box, motor, and an axle. I think I might try a Marx motor. Precision scale should have a free downloadable catalog, if they want business like me.
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handyandy ·
I wonder if a belt drive could be rigged up from an old VCR drive? Have you looked at all the drive parts available for RC cars? Awesome job on the McKeen car so far BTW.
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Madison Kirkman ·
I had an idea by the cylinder drive. I would have a small pipe that is above the front axle, and would be powered by a motor width wise in the engine. By doing that, the rubber band would always say vertical. Although it would take some time to build, I think that is the best bet. I have pulled apart both a VCR and a R.C. Car, but I don't think either have a good gear system. Originally Posted by handyandy: I wonder if a belt drive could be rigged up from an old VCR drive? Have you looked at...
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modeltrainsparts ·
Very nice job. If it were me i'd let the front truck be the dummy and consider powering the rear one which from the photos i've seen appears to be of a more traditional configuration with equal diameter wheels. Depending on the wheelbase needed i'd consider the power trucks used by Lionel on their RS-3's or the ones used by KLine on their S-2's. If either of those were of the correct wheelbase you could simply grind or sand the side existing plastic side frames flat, and then using scraps of...
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Madison Kirkman ·
Because the real McKeen Cars almost never hauled more than one trailer, ever. So I don't need any more then the power to get it up a fair grade. Also, it would be a lot harder to power the back truck rather then the front. I have a exhaust pipe which was such a tight fit in between the wheels, that to make the 036 curve, I had to pinch the pipe in able to make the turn. I don't think I can power the back wheels.
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modeltrainsparts ·
In the photos i've seen the only part of the exhaust pipe that's visible is from the rear. Sometimes in modeling we have to make compromises and eliminating an almost never seen piece of underbody detail in favor of a simplified reliable power unit is common sense to me. Those HO power units will NOT work. If i can find the one with NWSL gears, etc. in my junk box i''l sell it to you for $10 so you can see for yourself! jackson
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Nortonville Phil ·
Perhaps the K line speeder motor block or one of the superstreets vehicle power units could be made to work for you on the rear truck?
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Bobby Ogage ·
Consider coupling a powered passenger car behind the McKeen car.
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colorado hirailer ·
With the Bowser street car truck, and a whole lot of diesel trucks, street car trucks, etc., available, I would think, in a DIY project, that powering the rear truck/finding a power truck, if you have the front one free-rolling, is gonna be a whole lot easier than powering the unusual front one, compounded by the constraint of a sharp radius.
 
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