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The S.D.C.&E.Rwy. McKeen Car "Cuyamaca" is finally on her way!!!

Madison Kirkman ·
Great news, as some of you know, I had been working for a while now trying to get a McKeen Motor Car that ran in San Diego back home. Thursday the car was lifted from the ground and placed on a truck, from there the truck went to the shipyard in Anchorage and will leave Sunday. From there it will arrive in Seattle around Thursday and hopefully reach San Diego Sunday the 20th. I would like to thank everyone who has helped get this project going. Once the car arrives home, we will start phase...
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McKeen Motor Car Information

Madison Kirkman ·
I am looking for any information on the McKeen Motor Cars, or and products that came from the McKeen Motor Car Company.  Any information would be appreciated. 
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Powering a McKeen Car

Madison Kirkman ·
This is my first model train I have built,(and maybe my last McKeen Car) and I would like some help with Ideas on how to power it.  I purchased a motor used in the engine in the starter sets made by Lionel. ...
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The McKeen Car "Cuyamaca" made it home to San Diego County!

Madison Kirkman ·
I am glad to say the McKeen Car "Cuyamaca" is back in California for the first time in 92 years, when in 1926 she likely left the Yuma Valley Railroad by way of the Southern Pacific Railroad, possibly thought Calif. She is in rough shape, but she can be restored, and it will take quite a few hands to do that, but she will be restored. With your help through donations and time, she can be restored and running around the country before I'm 30 years old, (I'm 17 now.) Here are a few photos of...
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Hot Water ·
Have you Googled it? There sure seems to be a lot of info out there.
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Madison Kirkman ·
I have spent a few hundred hours on different sites finding as much as I can, but there is a lot of information not on the internet, I am trying to find it. Originally Posted by Hot Water: Have you Googled it? There sure seems to be a lot of info out there.
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Hot Water ·
Well, I've always heard that, if it isn't on the internet,,,,,,,then it doesn't exist.
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Madison Kirkman ·
Oh, heck no, half of the stuff I have in my collection isn't on the internet. Most would assume what you said, only because it is a bit harder to find information that's not on the internet. Originally Posted by Hot Water: Well, I've always heard that, if it isn't on the internet,,,,,,,then it doesn't exist.
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Simon Winter ·
Google: Virginia and Truckee McKeen car restoration That will pop up several things on the restoration of the Virginia and Truckee McKeen car. I am guessing if you contact the folks that did the restoration, they could help you. Simon PS: http://museums.nevadaculture.o...ogram&Itemid=142
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franktrain ·
I found this photo at the Yuma, AZ historical society photo display last spring. franktrain
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smd4 ·
Originally Posted by Madison Kirkman: there is a lot of information not on the internet, I am trying to find it. Exactly what information do you believe exists, but are unable to find?
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ChipR ·
Are you a member of the Union Pacific Historical Society? They may have an article in a past magazine. ChipR
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The GN Man ·
Have you visited the Northern Pacific Railway Historical Association site (NPRHA.org)? NP had one or two McKeen cars, and there are some pictures available via this site. (Also some pictures of the BB&BC McKeen car.) There was a terrific article about the NP McKeen cars in the Mainstreeter about a year ago, I believe it was written by Richard Wilkens. Perhaps you can obtain a copy of it. Good luck!
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morg777 ·
The NPRHS did indeed have an article on the McKeen car, and you can buy a copy here.
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Madison Kirkman ·
The photo of the McKeen car in Yuma is extremely helpful, as i am very close to restoring that exact car. I am not a member of any of those groups however. I will looking into memberships. And to answer smd4, I am looking for any information, if you have seen drawings, or heard there was one in Mexico, any information would help, like that image of the "Cuyamaca." I have only seen thre other images of that car at that time.
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RK ·
From www.alaskarails.org http://www.alaskarails.org/pix...-loco/JC-mckeen.html
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wjstix ·
The railroad that ran in front of the house I grew up in had (long before my time!) run McKeen cars there. It was the Dan Patch Electric Line...Minneapolis, St.Paul Rochester & Dubuque Electric Traction Co. http://www.pinterest.com/pin/203506476887307608/
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ChipR ·
The book "Motive Power of the Union Pacific" has a chapter entitled "Meet Mr. McKeen, pages 123 - 134. Text plus photos of under construction as well as completed cars. ChipR
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TrainWizard5972 ·
The Lakeside & Marblehead Railroad near Sandusky, Ohio owned one. The only book on the railroad has quite a bit of information about the car and on McKeen. Here's what the book looks like. http://books.google.com/books?...ge&q&f=false
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Madison Kirkman ·
I know they owned one, the #5 ran for quite a few years, and supposedly had the oldest original Gasoline engine, and trucks, reported to still exist in the 50's. This car was also a diner, and after a fire burned the car (which was made of steel,) the car was scrapped. I am hoping that there are some remains from that car, but I don't know. I had found another article about the railroad, not much on the car while in service though. Originally Posted by TrainWizard5972: The Lakeside &...
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Simon Winter ·
I don't think anyone has mentioned it so far, but the PRR had a McKeen car number 4701. It is pictured in the late Al Staufer's book "Pennsy Power III". Some more references: http://www.midcontinent.org/ro.../builders/mckeen.htm http://www.therailwire.net/for...ex.php?topic=31959.0 Simon
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Madison Kirkman ·
I knew about those, however Wikipedia doesn't (no surprise,) but what does he say about the car in his book. Here is what I wrote down on the scrapdate... " Jan. 16, 1920 PRR McKeen car No. 4701 scrapped at Wilmington. (Keystone) " Originally Posted by Simon Winter: I don't think anyone has mentioned it so far, but the PRR had a McKeen car number 4701. It is pictured in the late Al Staufer's book "Pennsy Power III". Some more references: http://www.midcontinent.org/ro.../builders/mckeen.htm...
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Steve "Papa" Eastman ·
Mine has a Marx diesel motors and frames with simple home made fake trucks. Steve
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Madison Kirkman ·
I don't think I would want to do that, I built the truck, since the original ones were custom made, so I would like to keep my truck. I would not mind adding a bracket or something to be able to house the motor to the truck.
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Old Goat ·
Review the Northwest Short Line and the Q-Car Company websites for ideas.
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colorado hirailer ·
Getting/fabicating the correct front truck has to be one of the peaks to be surmounted with these cars..great that you have done that. Maybe a Marx mechanism that, as in their cabbed diesels, turns with the front truck is workable, after engineering a gearing to drive the front axle. Or possibly powering the rear truck, where complete mechanisms, with truck frames that can be modified, can be used.
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colorado hirailer ·
I meant to add...since you have the difficult to form body and unusual front truck fabricated, you are over the big humps. I hope others on here with more experience powering creations, can offer mechanical suggestions. An old choice for rear truck power was that chain driven truck offered by Walthers for their gas electric kits. There must be something more modern than that, and applicable to three rail, out there.
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mwb ·
Very good to see you making the attempt to create a reasonable representation of the unique drive truck of the McKeen car. Just plopping a body on a diesel drive is really an visually unsatisfying compromise. I'll reinforce the the Old Goat's suggestion that you look at the NWSL and Q-car for powering ideas. From NWSL you could get a Magic Carpet drive unit that might be built into that same truck w/o taking up excess space that would also fit under the floor neatly. From Q-car you might be...
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Old Goat ·
....also investigate the Hollywood Foundry website for ideas...
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Madison Kirkman ·
My only problem is the price, I don't want to spend that much money, is there a worm gear I can purchase that, with a vertically mounted motor, I can run the train at regular speed? Also, I want this to be able to run on 036, so I have to have a motor less then an inch wide, an inch and a half long, with the axle one C.M. in from the back and height doesn't matter so much. All I need is either a worm gear that works with the starter motor, or a gear box. I tried making a gear box out of...
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Madison Kirkman ·
Does Hollywood Foundry sell powered o scale wheel sets?
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Old Goat ·
HF does not sell O scale trucks...it was just a suggestion for ideas. You could contact him and inquire about a custom drive. Also, check the Grandt Line Products website. They offer transmissions that might work for your project. One of the direct style gearboxes from NWSL should work. Dave at NWSL should be able to help as long as you provide him with all the details and measurements.
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Trainman9 ·
I thought MTH was making one. Did it ever get made?
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Madison Kirkman ·
no, they canceled the order.
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rdg_fan ·
Bowser Manufacturing may be able to help, or Frank Timko.
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Nairb Rekab ·
I also used a Marx diesel switcher motor assembly to power the Clark Autotram I built.
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colorado hirailer ·
I looked at Q Car, NW Shortline, and Hollywood Foundry (which last went up to, but not beyond, S scale) websites, and nothing much has improved in the decades I have been looking for power for 1/4" 3 rail creations. (when I began, I was blown off by one of the above, which is now under new ownership, for wanting a three rail drive train) On this site I have learned I am most certainly not the only person with such interest. Bowser was only the source I found, for single and two truck...
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Burlington Route ·
I would suggest a north west shortline gear box on the larger wheel axle...under drive and the motor in the floor with a flywheel. Being that the front truck wheels are different sizes you'll probably never be able to drive them both the same speed. An amusing totally old school idea...and this is waaaaay left field, is the old athern HO scale rubber band drive system. You'd need a drum nearly as large as the large drive wheel and a front to back running shaft to drive it off of- a slightly...
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mwb ·
Originally Posted by Old Goat: One of the direct style gearboxes from NWSL should work. Dave at NWSL should be able to help as long as you provide him with all the details and measurements. This is probably your best bet in getting a gearbox that will fit into your drive truck powering the front wheel. You might be able to use this from Q-car but it will take work and it's ~$100 You'll have to change the wheels - Q-car does not have anything to do with 3-rail - no interest in that market and...
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Old Goat ·
Precision Scale also offers gearboxes...you'll need to reference their catalog...not listed on the website.
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Madison Kirkman ·
I don't know, most of these items will not work, although the Q-car one looks plausible, I think the 3-6 month wait is not the best. I find it hard to believe that the part is so expense, considering that all there is a brass gear box, motor, and an axle. I think I might try a Marx motor. Precision scale should have a free downloadable catalog, if they want business like me.
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handyandy ·
I wonder if a belt drive could be rigged up from an old VCR drive? Have you looked at all the drive parts available for RC cars? Awesome job on the McKeen car so far BTW.
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Madison Kirkman ·
I had an idea by the cylinder drive. I would have a small pipe that is above the front axle, and would be powered by a motor width wise in the engine. By doing that, the rubber band would always say vertical. Although it would take some time to build, I think that is the best bet. I have pulled apart both a VCR and a R.C. Car, but I don't think either have a good gear system. Originally Posted by handyandy: I wonder if a belt drive could be rigged up from an old VCR drive? Have you looked at...
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modeltrainsparts ·
Very nice job. If it were me i'd let the front truck be the dummy and consider powering the rear one which from the photos i've seen appears to be of a more traditional configuration with equal diameter wheels. Depending on the wheelbase needed i'd consider the power trucks used by Lionel on their RS-3's or the ones used by KLine on their S-2's. If either of those were of the correct wheelbase you could simply grind or sand the side existing plastic side frames flat, and then using scraps of...
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Madison Kirkman ·
Because the real McKeen Cars almost never hauled more than one trailer, ever. So I don't need any more then the power to get it up a fair grade. Also, it would be a lot harder to power the back truck rather then the front. I have a exhaust pipe which was such a tight fit in between the wheels, that to make the 036 curve, I had to pinch the pipe in able to make the turn. I don't think I can power the back wheels.
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modeltrainsparts ·
In the photos i've seen the only part of the exhaust pipe that's visible is from the rear. Sometimes in modeling we have to make compromises and eliminating an almost never seen piece of underbody detail in favor of a simplified reliable power unit is common sense to me. Those HO power units will NOT work. If i can find the one with NWSL gears, etc. in my junk box i''l sell it to you for $10 so you can see for yourself! jackson
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Nortonville Phil ·
Perhaps the K line speeder motor block or one of the superstreets vehicle power units could be made to work for you on the rear truck?
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Bobby Ogage ·
Consider coupling a powered passenger car behind the McKeen car.
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colorado hirailer ·
With the Bowser street car truck, and a whole lot of diesel trucks, street car trucks, etc., available, I would think, in a DIY project, that powering the rear truck/finding a power truck, if you have the front one free-rolling, is gonna be a whole lot easier than powering the unusual front one, compounded by the constraint of a sharp radius.
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Burlington Route ·
Originally Posted by Bobby Ogage: Consider coupling a powered passenger car behind the McKeen car. Good call Bob, but that's if he runs a 2nd car...if he does want a 2nd car- that would be the way to go!
 
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