Tagged With "GarGraves"

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From scratch train shed

C&Osteam ·
Can anyone give me the actual height of gargraves track? My engine and layout are located at another location. How high would a door need to be to clear a Lionel Legacy Allegheny on 3/8” flexxbed and Gargraves?
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Flex track minimum length for new layout

Kirk R ·
I'm designing my layout that'll be mostly Ross switch and Ross sectional track and roadbed. Will use Gargrave flex for many places. I'm using AnyRail software and inevitably have a few areas that need a filler piece that's not standard. If I fill that with Gargrave's flex it could be pretty small (a few inches) which doesn't sound structurally like a good idea. Should I remove another section of track and go for a longer piece of flex track (maybe a foot) that's easier to manage in its place...
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Switches needed for yard servicing 072 minimum radius trains

Geo2000 ·
I have a 35 x 10 layout with minimal options for expansion. With 3 main lines consisting of 080, 072, and 045 radius track the space is mostly used up. I would like to squeeze a yard into south side of the yard to provide a few options for running different train without removing them from the track. I am getting ready to buy all the track and switches so that I can layout the design on the floor while I continue to build benchwork. I was hoping to set a little advice on how to squeeze in a...
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Realistic looking rails

Kitbasher ·
I have all Gargraves three rail track. I have started painting the sides of the outside rails using the Rail Brown, Railroad Colors alcohol-based paint. Has anyone found a better paint or way to do this?
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Subway System For Sale

Dwayne B ·
Subway system for sale.......I purchased this Subway from my neighbor who worked for Lionel in the early 1950s. If you are interested in hearing his story go to the Notch 6 podcast episode #107 titled "The Lionel Employee in the Neighborhood". I have 6 sections of subway that are detailed with depots and other subway surroundings. The track and switches used are Gargraves and Tortoise switch controllers are also included. The subway was cut into 6 sections for removal and are 7 to 9 feet...
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Steve "Papa" Eastman ·
Is this the possibly the Carlisle Finch layout left to Fritz Von Tagen? If so, it will be in one of the McComas video's. Steve
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Ace ·
Wow, very interesting and very old layout! Here is a link with some more info: 1905 Carlisle and Finch layout I found this using Steve's information. The track gauge is 2 inches. Not exactly sure if this is the same layout or one of similar style? "the trackage ... includes three 45-degree crossings, eleven 60- degree crossings and four switches."
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Joe Rampolla ·
Hi Folks, Steve, and Ace, Great detective work and many thanks for the better photos and links!!!!!!!! No question now about it -- absolutely love it! Take care, Joe. P.S. Guess Ace will come up with a new take on the design!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Ace ·
Tinplatetimes.com sez: The train navigates all of the trackage, which includes three 45-degree crossings, eleven 60- degree crossings and four switches. But in this one photo you can plainly see 5 turnouts. And the other photos plainly show some 90-degree crossings. I'm still trying to figure out the complete track plan by looking at the different photos.
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Joe Rampolla ·
Hi Ace, I have been trying to sketch it out on paper, the old fashioned way, and it is deceptively complex. I guess that someone just made a typo meaning 90 degrees but inverting the number "9" to a "6." Perhaps other typos were made. I have been trying to plot out the crossovers and switches, then sketching in the track. Not easy! Take care, Joe.
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Former Member ·
It looks like the Carlisle & Finch layout Elbridge Russell left to Fritz von Tagen. Here a couple more photos, from the McComas Layout book. Von Tagen took it apart to move it, and it may not have been reassembled exactly the same. Good luck figuring out that track plan, it's labyrinthine to say the least.
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Joe Rampolla ·
Hi Folks, Please excuse the sloppy sketch, but I think this is the basic shape of the meandering track plan. Take care, Joe.
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Ace ·
Originally Posted by Joe Rampolla: Hi Folks, Please excuse the sloppy sketch, but I think this is the basic shape of the meandering track plan. Take care, Joe. I think that's it, Joe. The switches provide reversing in both directions and some alternate routing. When I get time I'd like to draw an O27 version, but it won't include all the meanders!
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Joe Rampolla ·
Originally Posted by hojack: It looks like the Carlisle & Finch layout Elbridge Russell left to Fritz von Tagen. Here a couple more photos, from the McComas Layout book. Von Tagen took it apart to move it, and it may not have been reassembled exactly the same. Good luck figuring out that track plan, it's labyrinthine to say the least. Hi Hojack, Thanks for the additional information and photos! Take care, Joe.
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

AGHRMatt ·
Did that layout use the light bulbs to control the track voltage? I remember hearing about one that ran on house current and adjusting the bulbs adjusted the train speed. Was wondering if this is the one they were talking about.
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Joe Rampolla ·
Originally Posted by AGHRMatt: Did that layout use the light bulbs to control the track voltage? I remember hearing about one that ran on house current and adjusting the bulbs adjusted the train speed. Was wondering if this is the one they were talking about. Hi Matt, In the video that was on YouTube, the next owner was working with the light bulbs to operate the layout. Perhaps someone here could provide more info on that old type of control that I gather took the place of a transformer.
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Ace ·
I forget where I found this photo online, but it shows the lights which I presume are wired to drop the voltage for the trains without using a transformer. It's very interesting to see such an early electric-power layout! Following is my O27 version of the track plan which is schematically similar. I omitted two turnouts to simplify but the remaining four turnouts provide reversing for both directions.
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Joe Rampolla ·
Hi Ace, Many, many thanks for your reworking that plan, and in O27 to boot! I think you should do an article for one of the magazines. Brilliant modification/improvement!!!! Take care, Joe.
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Ace ·
Joe, Many Thanks for the interesting subject. Also Big Thanks to Steve for the info to track more info. Now if we could just figure out where you saw the video you originally mentioned?
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PRR2818 ·
Now can you do that in Fastrack?
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Joe Rampolla ·
Hi Ace, I have combing through many YouTube videos but cannot find it yet. I came across it while looking at toy train layouts and the piece was professionally done by a local t.v. station, if I remember correctly. It focused on the story of the older gentleman giving or bequeathing his layout to a kind younger man who befriended the older man. The attic was rather dusty and unfinished, perhaps an old farm house. That is about the best I can remember. I did a screen captured to get the basic...
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Rusty Traque ·
The Voltamp layout was originally shown on an early Touhy-McComas video. Rusty
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Former Member ·
Originally Posted by AGHRMatt: Did that layout use the light bulbs to control the track voltage? I remember hearing about one that ran on house current and adjusting the bulbs adjusted the train speed. Was wondering if this is the one they were talking about. This is the one. More from the McComas Layout book: (click to enlarge to read):
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

WindupGuy ·
That is an amazing layout and story! Thanks to everyone for posting the pictures, information, and even sorting out that convoluted track plan. It made my day to see it!
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Ace ·
Hojack, Thanks for the attachment with the explanation of the electrical control. I just got to realizing that this is 2-rail power with reversing tracks, and early layouts like this would have made people start thinking about the advantages of 3-rail for easier train reversing.
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Re: Intriguing Track Plan

Joe Rampolla ·
Hi Folks, Been going crazy trying to find the video, but I cannot. I have retraced my internet steps back on Jan 29 this year when I saved the screen caps and perhaps I saw something that day either here or on the other forum that lead me to that YouTube video. (I did save photos from this site on that same evening.) So if some has the TM "Great Toy Train Layouts of America" part 4 on video, please see if this rings a bell. Perhaps this is Mr. Von Tagen in the photo: Thanks! Take care, Joe.
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Re: DCS problem with 027 switch #5122

ADCX Rob ·
Run center rail jumper wires around the switch, to all three "legs" - that's about all you can do. If that fixes the problem, the center rail solder joints have broken or gone cold inside, a permanent fix requiring drilling out rivets to disassemble/remove the bottom plate.
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Re: DCS problem with 027 switch #5122

paul4653 ·
Thank you ADCX Rob . I will try your suggestion.
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Re: Lighted Switch Stands

Bob ·
Paul, they look like the brass switch stands that Ross sells. Here is a thread with more info. https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...0-brass-switch-stand
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Re: Lighted Switch Stands

VaGolfer1950 ·
Thank you, I must have picked them up from their booth one York.
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Re: Lighted Switch Stands

mikey ·
The switch stands are Ross,they operate via a supplied rod,I have had trouble with them in regard to the rod staying attached. Mikey
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Re: Gargraves O42 switch advise

GarGraves ·
Tony, We would like to know how you made out with your O-42 switch concern. One thing we wondered about is whether or not you connected both of the outside rails to common. This would have maintained the common connection needed to keep the train running. The isolated rail for non-derailing would still work as designed.
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Re: Gargraves O42 switch advise

Tony_V ·
I did connect both outside rails to common everywhere I did a power drop. This is only a 5x8 layout and I have 6 power connections on the loop with the O42 switches. This was more than my original design but when I realized the switches did not carry power through them, I added a couple of drops. I believe my problem with the smaller locos is due to the way I did the isolated rail for the non-derailing feature. I isolated the frog rail 3" beyond the switch so there is roughly a 6" gap for...
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Re: Gargraves O42 switch advise

GarGraves ·
Thanks Tony. Glad you identified the issue and in the same breath we're sorry you had trouble with the movable point. Glad to hear your dealer was able to help you out. Happy railroading!
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Re: Gargraves O42 switch advise

Dennis LaGrua ·
Gargraves switches can be made to work but require soldering quite a bit of jumper wires around them and occasionally some filing to make them run smooth. Ross can supply with full switch connection continuity and always work perfect out of the box.. I've worked with both brands and they have their merit. My layout is 50% Ross and to be honest they are my favorite switches. If you don't mind adjusting and soldering a bit Gargraves are less expensive, but still good .
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Re: Gargraves O42 switch advise

Tony_V ·
Dennis, I used both Ross and Gargraves switches on this layout. And believe it or not, I had issues with both. This was my first layout with Gargraves track so I had no experience with either. I used Ross on the outer loop because they have an O54/O72 curved switch which is all that fits. I chose the Gargraves O42 switches for the inside loop for similar reasons. The Ross O42 is bigger and didn't fit in my limited space. I am not unhappy with either. Both Gargraves and Ross have worked with...
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Re: WTB GARGRAVES 37 INCH FLEX TRACK, AND MIDWEST CORK ROAD BED

bluelinec4 ·
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Re: WTB GARGRAVES 37 INCH FLEX TRACK, AND MIDWEST CORK ROAD BED

Alex M ·
Ralph, this post is on the WTB, not the for sale. I'm calling you now !!!! Alex
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Re: WTB GARGRAVES 37 INCH FLEX TRACK, AND MIDWEST CORK ROAD BED

Doug N ·
Alex, I have what you want. Email me.
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Re: Gargraves O42 switch advise

phillyreading ·
Are you using the Gargraves switches back to back? If so put a section of straight track(one to two inches) between the two switches and supply power to both outside rails because the Gargraves switches are not designed well for electrical contact. I have Gargraves switches and had to supply power to the outside rails as the one rail is plastic from the frog to the end of the switch. A cure when using the anti-derail feature for Gargraves is to move the section of track that activates the...
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Re: Gargraves O42 switch advise

Tony_V ·
Lee, Thanks for the response. None of the switches are back to back and all have power connections on all legs. I think you are right about moving the insulated rail away from the frog. My insulated section is the first 3" of track right after the frog. That's probably a good 5" with an isolated section. I think I can fix it without tearing it apart. I will post the results here. Thanks again. Tony
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Re: Gargraves O42 switch advise

phillyreading ·
Tony, That's one of the quirks with Gargraves switches, have to supply outside rail power at times. I plan to upgrade to Ross Switches a bit later this year when I start on my new layout. Lee Fritz
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Re: Gargraves track and outside rails

Pine Creek Railroad ·
Gentlemen, Marty Fitzhenry gives great TMCC/DCS advise and I applied his advise some time back to my DCS/Legacy layouts. In reality both my outside rails on my FasTrack multi level layout are Legacy wired, I split the wire coming from the Legacy Base, run a drop directly to the left FT outside rail, not used by the DCS, and because I also run DCS, I connect a Legacy wire to all the out, Black Channel DCS terminals, this sends a Legacy signal on both outside rails of my FasTrack, and my...
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

Boilermaker1 ·
I have no issues on atlas O72, nor issues on Lionel O72 tubular. I've even tried running them on O72 with Kadees and they work just fine with no lifting or tracking issues. You can check that the gauge of the track is correct and also the wheels. The other thing you can do is adjust the coupler bar to see if that helps your problem, or at least eliminates the issue that one car may be pulling the one next to it off the track. Also, the coupler should swing back and forth a bit, make sure...
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

tplee ·
Thanks for the suggestions, emails, and Bill at the Atlas service department. An additional issue was discovered with the Atlas CZ cars. Some of the uncoupler lever buttons hang way to low and only have a 1/64 clearance. The steam and air hoses also seem to be too low and catch on switches. The steam hose comes off easy, the brake line not so easy. It actually needs to be bent up. The whole coupler needed to be raised. I did try to use nail polish to insulate it from shorting, it wasn't...
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

J Daddy ·
Yes I noticed the coupler "thumb tacks" were loose as well. I had great performance from one car I purchased, the dome car. However when I purchase 2 more and coupled them together, that's when all #*&$ broke loose. The adjustable couple works but it will need some tweaking around the layout. S curves they hate, and any switch less than O 100 seems to create issues. The other track item is any up/down transition in the rails has to be so slight, or else the bolster of the truck will bind...
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Re: Keeping Atlas CZ on the Rails

mikemike ·
I have Ross 072 switches. No Problems. The uncoupler buttons are a problem for me when they droop and short out. Solution cover with electrical tape. The coupler length adjustment is critical. If they are not set correctly derailments will occur. Mine even run on a curve that is slightly smaller than 072.
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Re: Gargraves track and outside rails

rshawyer36 ·
I had the same question a couple of months ago and got some good feedback on here. You'll get two answers - yes and no. I opted for yes. I ran three drops (2 ground, 1 hot) and then tied the 2 grounds into one going to the terminal (I use home-run/star wiring, as outlined in Barry's DCS book). It has worked very well for me.
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Re: Gargraves track and outside rails

jhz563 ·
One rail will do fine if you are just running loops. If you have several switches or multiple connected loops then you may want to ground both sides. Also having some sections of outer rail isolated can be used for trackside signal activation or some other device. I have done it both ways, but normally I do ground both outer rails and tie them together.
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Re: Gargraves track and outside rails

CBS072 ·
I use TMCC and GG track. I wire the center rail to the (+) and one outside rail to the (-) and the second outside rail I use as a signal rail for track signals and road crossing signals. Using just one outside rail may not work with DCS but works great with TMCC.
 
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