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ERR sound converter compatibilty with RS 2.5 board and ERR AC Commander

FIXIT ·
Considering upgrading a Lionel N&W warhorse 6-18040 w/pullmor motor to TMCC using an AC Commander. Question will the AC Commander play nice utilizing the original RS 2.5 sound board and ERR sound converter.
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NJ transit bombardier car with no cab car

fdny9195 ·
hello all. So as im sure there have been numerous posts about this but I recently got in the new mth nj transit bombarider cars and the add on pack. Not a single one had a cab car. I understand there is a licencing issue with nj transit but my question is, does anyone know were I can get a njt cab car or know anyone who can convert say a tri rail car or something like that, that has a cab car and make it into an njt car?
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Ugrade conventional engine to TMCC?

Roger Elliott ·
I am getting a conventional K-line Big Boy steam loco for my son's layout. He has a table where he will design and set up a track and then run his LionChief locomotives on it. Is it possible to get an upgrade kit that will convert this conventional engine so he can run it with his LionChief engines?
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Have had RS3 that I want to convert to PS2 or 3

Former Member ·
hello forum, This is Choo Choo Chuck and I used to have a person that convert a couple engines for me a while ago, since I lost his email address and cell # My email has changed Should he not be around - this is my dilemma however, if someone out there can help please contact me through this Forum.
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

newtoO ·
The board is truncating the link, it is the full length including the question mark, let try to insert it again here... " http://www.mthtrains.com/searc...r_search/Proto-Scale 3-2 3-Rail/2-Rail Conversion Capable Proto-Sound 3.0? " Chris
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Martin H ·
Read this.
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newtoO ·
Ok, the board is still truncating the link, copy and paste the link in between the quotes and insert in a new browser window address bar and it will work. Sorry, don't know why it is cutting of the link. Chris
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

newtoO ·
Thanks Martin, let's try this again... http://www.mthtrains.com/search/apachesolr_search/Proto-Scale%203-2%203-Rail/2-Rail%20Conversion%20Capable%20Proto-Sound%203.0? Looks like that worked. Thanks, Chris
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Bill McBride ·
It seemed that the first engine that came up is a personal favorite of mine: the GP30. My recollection is that the MTH Proto Sound 3.0 GP30 was not offered in the "scale wheels" version with fixed pilot and, well, scale wheels. I only have experience with one MTH diesel and that is a scale-wheel engine so it needed no conversion. My understanding is that removing the 3rd rail electrical contact roller is easy. How about replacing those ginormous hi-rail wheels? Does MTH sell a fixed pilot as...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Bill McBride ·
Thanks, Dave. My one MTH diesel is a PS3 "-2" scale wheel version. I was just wondering if there might be an easy way to transform a "-1" MTH PS3 diesel into some semblance of a "-2."
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

newtoO ·
@Bill, it is my understanding that there is a way to do it and I was pointed in the direction of Joe Foehrkolb at Baldwin Forge & Machine - RRJJF@aol.com , who does this for folks. Check out his web site. I want to convert some lionel and other basic types as well and have them lined up for him when I get to them on the project list. Chris
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Hudson J1e ·
Bill and anyone else interested, just because a MTH locomotive is not offered in the scale wheels version does not automatically mean it is not 3/2 capable. There are some MTH locomotives that are 3/2 capable but do not come in a scale wheel version with the -2. This means that you don't have to send the locomotive to Baldwin Forge & Machine for conversion. You can convert it yourself by buying the scale wheels from MTH and installing them. Even if you sent it to Joe at Baldwin Forge...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

newtoO ·
@Hudson, great point! I thought you could "re-tool" the standard MTH offerings for 2-rail but, don't know anyone who has done so successfully. It makes good sense. The reason I reached out to Joe @ Baldwin is because I am getting the new MTH R-142 subway set which only comes in a 3-rail version but, obviously I would need to get it to 2-rail. I have never attempted a conversion myself and am very hesitant to to start out on a brand new set with PS 3 in it. I wonder how difficult it is. If...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Hudson J1e ·
Originally Posted by newtoO: @Hudson, great point! I thought you could "re-tool" the standard MTH offerings for 2-rail but, don't know anyone who has done so successfully. It makes good sense. The reason I reached out to Joe @ Baldwin is because I am getting the new MTH R-142 subway set which only comes in a 3-rail version but, obviously I would need to get it to 2-rail. I have never attempted a conversion myself and am very hesitant to to start out on a brand new set with PS 3 in it. I...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Jeff78rr ·
I just finished up my 23rd diesel loco conversion to fixed pilots and full length handrails that have the capability of having either 3-rail or 2-rail wheel sets. These are not easy to do. Most, if not all 6-axle diesels locos are going to require the use of a bench grinder to remove alot of the inner portion of the pilot as there is too much metal to allow the truck to swing. However, I've figured it out and will post some "how-to" pics soon. I do 3 at a time to keep it rolling. Tichy train...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

newtoO ·
@Hudson, there is some good news on the DCS/DCC front. All of the MTH locos with PS3 have DCC bult in already and they even automatically detect the the signal... AC/DC/DCS/DCC. That is a major reason I am looking MTH PS3 locos. I am getting a subway but, I am working on a few parallel tracks at the same time. I am trying to get out of 3-rail to simplify things here, so I need to 2-rail those vehicles and simultaneously I am working on building new modules for a layout. I am a member of East...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

newtoO ·
@Jeff, wow, 23. That's cool. Can't wait to see the how to pics! Thanks for sharing your experience, thsi is really helpful. Chris
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Hudson J1e ·
Originally Posted by newtoO: @Hudson, there is some good news on the DCS/DCC front. All of the MTH locos with PS3 have DCC bult in already and they even automatically detect the the signal... AC/DC/DCS/DCC. That is a major reason I am looking MTH PS3 locos. Chris Chris, That is very good news about the DCS/DCC switch but are you sure? I have a PS3 locomotive, I admit it is one of the early ones, but it does have the DCS/DCC switch on the bottom of it. Hey, I really hope you are correct about...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

AGHRMatt ·
Looking forward to that How-To. I have about two dozen I'd like to switch over to fixed pilots even though most of them are 3-rail only. Originally Posted by Jeff78rr: I just finished up my 23rd diesel loco conversion to fixed pilots and full length handrails that have the capability of having either 3-rail or 2-rail wheel sets. These are not easy to do. Most, if not all 6-axle diesels locos are going to require the use of a bench grinder to remove alot of the inner portion of the pilot as...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Jeff78rr ·
Sounds good that there are those who want to do these conversions. It takes some time, but once you dive in, it really is straight forward. Will post pics on my next conversion which I will be starting tonight. So far I've done my SD70ACes, ES44's and AC4400's. Next up are the AC6000's, SD40-2's, and Dash-8 narrow nose engines. I use the new Kadee 745's on everything, which gives you the metal coupler (springs hidden) and plastic draft boxes. These are very nice couplers.
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Martin H ·
I think this is a difficult project. I fixed the pilot on a MTH Premier sd70m non-powered, but I could figure out how to do the handrails. Also, I fixed the pilot to the frame. Should I have instead fixed the pilot to the shell? If you fix the pilot to the frame, you'll have to remove the handrails if you ever want to take the shell off in the future. I have a powered ac4400cw I would like to fix the pilot on and put kadees.
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

bob2 ·
I have not converted an MTH Diesel, and probably won't ever, but here is a hundred dollar K-Line. All I did other than changing the wheels is screw the pilot to the metal part that holds the handrails in place. This will offend a lot of folks, since the handrails do not go down and there is a double step at the interface. On the other hand I have a hundred thirty dollar scale F-M. I may leave it Lackawanna. MTH has, since the very early 1990s, produced 2-rail O Scale, so there never has been...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Jeff78rr ·
Martin, the AC4400 is very difficult, but I've done my entire fleet of them. Will show you how in pics soon- I use screws for all my conversions so in the event I want to remove the shell for whatever reason, all you do is remove them, and the pilot will swin upwards out of the way with the handrails attached. I've done it like this for a reason for sure. Bob, good job on the FM. One thing you can do is add a 4mm piece of Plastruct styrene on each side (front and back) of pilot and super...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

AGHRMatt ·
Originally Posted by bob2: ... I know you did not specifically ask about steam, but I have a J1e Hudson that ran on my 2- rail track right out of the box. I was not happy with its appearance, so replaced drivers, cylinders, main frame, motor, gearbox, and all wheelsets. All I have to do now is get a factory reset. It is a very nice piece, rivalling the 700E. Bob. E-mail me off-list regarding resetting that Hudson.
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Jeff78rr ·
Bill, if you're doing an MTH enigne with the 3/2 rail option (all newer engines) it is a breeze- you can swap wheelsets out very easily by taking out the 4 small screws on each truck block, lifting off the cover and removing the axles/wheelsets. Next you drop in the replacements and put the cover back on- as easy as that. Not sure about other manufacturers' engines as they are not made to do it quite as easy--
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Jeff78rr ·
Here are a couple of my MTH engines that I converted to fixed pilots and full length handrails, an SD70ACe and AC4400. There are also step backs inside each area where the steps are- . I also changed out the sill stripes to a yellow that Microscale is selling that is close to reflective as I can find. I've done my fleet using these... more pics of a how-to coming as I do the next set. Although these are on 3-rail track, I also have the 2-rail wheelsets to run on 2-rail.
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

clem k ·
Hey Jeff do you use the MTH plows on the pilot? I'm fixing the pilots on my MTH SD40-2 this evening.
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Bill McBride ·
Thanks, Jeff. I managed to find my O Scale Trains Issue #53 in which John Sethian lays out his method for converting MTH 3-rail engines using MTH's Aerotrain. Maybe Santa will spring for an MTH GP30 on which I can practice...
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Jeff78rr ·
Clem, I do use the plows- what you'll need to do though is drill another hole close to the existing hole, then countersink it for the screw. Since it is going to create some overhang on the back side, trim off about 1/4" of the ends with a Dremel to prevent the truck sideframe from catching it.
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Martin H ·
I had to do the same thing on my conversion, or the plow would interfere with the kadee staying coupled on start/stops. Originally Posted by Jeff78rr: Clem, I do use the plows- what you'll need to do though is drill another hole close to the existing hole, then countersink it for the screw. Since it is going to create some overhang on the back side, trim off about 1/4" of the ends with a Dremel to prevent the truck sideframe from catching it.
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Stephen Bloy ·
Hears a factory fixed pilot SD70ACe form MTH, you can see what a nice job Jeff has done. I will be following Jeffs methods with interest as I have a SD50 to do! Stephen (cTr...Choose the Right)
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

bob2 ·
I have the talent to make that end look like the real thing, but I would rathr work on steam models. When this powerful locomotive is hauling a string of cars around the test loop, I do not notice the flaws in the pilot. On the other hand, that Kadee mount is carefully machined from brass to completely fill the giant hole originally designed for lobster claw couplers. These plastic models can be taken to any degree of realism an owner could want with minimum effort. The MTH trucks that are...
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newtoO ·
@Bob, Unfortunately, the subway set I want, the MTA R-142A's doesn't list the "Proto-Scale 3-2 3-Rail/2-Rail Conversion Capable" feature that enables the drop in wheel set conversions. I wish it did. Chris
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Bill McBride ·
@Jeff: The drop in wheel sets sound great. I can work with the pilot. How hard is it to remove the lobster-claw couplers from the truck-pilot assembly? Is it screws or does it require some metal cutting with a Dremel? BTW the part # for the 4-axle trucks is MTH part 20-89008 and its features are listed by MTH as: (4) Scale Wheel Wheel Sets Insulated Axles All-Metal Wheels & Axles Fully Assembled, Ready-to-Drop-In
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Jeff78rr ·
Bill, the coupler is super easy- remove the shell, then remove the pilot. Next, turn the engine upside down. Remove the c-ring for the coupler with pliers, be careful with the spring popping- hold it securely. The coupler comes off the truck assembly. You'll need to follow the plug to the harness and unplug it. It comes out at that point, pigtail and connectors. Just follow the leads to unplug.
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Bill McBride ·
Thanks, Jeff. This sounds actually do-able! I have had no reason to remove the shell on my MTH PS3 scale-wheel engine (but I should to do something about the red marker lights which look cool but are always on when the rest of the lights are on). I hope this is easy, too. I have found Atlas has too many screws, that seem to be in inaccessible places, to get their danged shells off. The first time I did an Atlas dis-assembly I think I unscrewed 1,000 screws. Of course, only 6 held the shell on.
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Hudson J1e ·
Originally Posted by Bill McBride: @Jeff: The drop in wheel sets sound great. I can work with the pilot. How hard is it to remove the lobster-claw couplers from the truck-pilot assembly? Is it screws or does it require some metal cutting with a Dremel? BTW the part # for the 4-axle trucks is MTH part 20-89008 and its features are listed by MTH as: (4) Scale Wheel Wheel Sets Insulated Axles All-Metal Wheels & Axles Fully Assembled, Ready-to-Drop-In Bill, I am looking at my MTH catalog...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Bill McBride ·
Thanks. I took the number from Sethian's OST article. I am glad you set me straight before I ordered a set.
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Austin Bill ·
Not exactly on topic, but, I successfully ran my PS3 scale wheeled Rio Grande GP-35 on our club 3 rail layout pulling a short string of reefers. I really didn't expect a scale flanged engine to take the curves on TUBULAR track. But, it was no problem. Ran fine for quite a while at a decent speed. No sweat. The club layout has K-Line Shadow Rail TUBULAR track. That particular loop of track has 120 inch diameter curves which I'm sure helped. Also it behaved on our Ross numbered switches as I...
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newtoO ·
@AustinBill, that is great information and I think it is totally on point. While this thread started as a 3 to 2 rail conversation, the performance of the PS3 is a key component of that. The main reason I am looking as these Protoscale 3-2 and Protosound 3 engines is because they can be 2 railed and run on either DCC or DC for my home and club. Great experiement, thanks for trying that out. I think the combined flexibility built in to these engines in Protoscale and Protosound systems is a...
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Re: MTH 3 to 2 Rail Convertible Locos w Proto Sound 3.0

Mike DeBerg ·
Jeff, The locos look awesome! I do think you need more BNSF hoppers! Originally Posted by Jeff78rr: Here are a couple of my MTH engines that I converted to fixed pilots and full length handrails, an SD70ACe and AC4400. There are also step backs inside each area where the steps are- . I also changed out the sill stripes to a yellow that Microscale is selling that is close to reflective as I can find. I've done my fleet using these... more pics of a how-to coming as I do the next set. Although...
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Re: Convert MTH PB from 3 rail to 2 rail

bob2 ·
The dummy would be easy. You buy six 40" wheelsets, drill the sideframes (carefully - all holes must be in line, and dead center on the simulated bearing cap), drill and tap a bolster to hold the side frames, and mount to a plastic body bolster attached to the steel floor. There are folks who do this kind of work, but it is far cheaper to buy a scale wheeled MTH set. It might be cheaper to buy a used Overland or Key.
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Re: Convert MTH PB from 3 rail to 2 rail

AGHRMatt ·
Mark this date in history. I disagree with Bob2 for the first time on converting an MTH locomotive. MTH PA/PB's don't use the interchangeable wheelsets, so your most efficient alternative for a PB dummy is to get the Northwest Short Line wheelsets (40") and use those. Normally, on most MTH diesels, the trucks are turned backward on the rear so you have to make sure the insulated wheels are on the same physical side of the chassis, but with non-powered units, the motor block is replaced with...
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Re: Convert MTH PB from 3 rail to 2 rail

Bob Delbridge ·
Bob makes some good comments, but the "easy" part ain't one of them (sorry Bob ) I tried to convert two RailKing F3 trucks to 2-rail, going by an article in another magazine. Now all I have is a basket full of unusable parts. You really need a proper machine shop to do this procedure with all the tools, bits, and equipment required. Things like pullers, reamers, and correct diameter drills for this task are things most model hobbyists don't have on hand. Sure you can buy them, but then you...
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Re: Convert MTH PB from 3 rail to 2 rail

bob2 ·
Matt thinks he is disagreeing with me, but he isn't. I did not specify NWSL, because any scale 40" wheels will do. And all you need is a drill press, a good vise, a magnifying glass, and #s 43, 41, and 50 drills and a good 2-56 tap. I don't do this work, but I have an MTH SD 9 truck pair already converted. If you want to roll on SD trucks I will trade you even. You still have to find the wheelsets. MTH will ultimately redo these truck blocks, and things will get a lot easier. You do know...
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Re: Convert MTH PB from 3 rail to 2 rail

Gregg ·
I wouldn't have a clue how and still can't figure if the side rods on a steamer are insulated from each other (maybe they're not). How does a steamer get power from both outside rails.
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Re: Convert MTH PB from 3 rail to 2 rail

rrjjf ·
On two Rail scale steam models standard practice is to insulate the driver tires on the fireman's side of the loco and the tender truck wheel sets on the engineer's side of the tender. Loco picks up power from the right side of the loco and the left side of the tender. MTH does it a different way by using axles that are split and insulated between the drivers and all tires are un-insulated. This requires that crankpins on one side of the locos drivers are pressed into insulating bushings so...
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Re: Convert MTH PB from 3 rail to 2 rail

bob2 ·
I am with Joe. I haven't a clue why MTH did it that way, and there is no way one of those things would survive around here. We have enough short circuits without the possibility that a side rod will short against something. My MTH Hudson got Lobaugh drivers. Of interest - my gear ratio changed, so I just re-calibrated the white bars on the flywheel and got 4 chuffs. The really nice thing - I have scale size cylinders and a tail beam! Happy.
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Re: Convert MTH PB from 3 rail to 2 rail

CentralFan1976 ·
The trucks on my MTH non-powered PA were just stamped metal, without bushings or bearings. I swapped out the center blind axle for a flanged wheel set, but I'm wondering how you can do it. I would assume that the non-powered PB would have the same setup. https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...and-early-lionel-pas
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Hudson J1e ·
Bob, what do you mean by "no way that thing would survive around here."? Do you mean it would get worn out or that you dislike the design so you decided to improve it?
 
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