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Re: Philadelphia Subways and Elevated

CTSRapid ·
PRR- Ooh- good catch! Although not exactly accurate (they aren't really Lionel Superliner II trucks), it did remind me that the template for the model was NOT the Atlas Comet II commuter car as I advised Jeff Covert. Atlas made a variation of the Comet in the form of Amtrak Horizon passenger cars and that was the car and the trucks used on the SEPTA version. I did use the Comet for subsequent conversions to Baltimore, Boston, Cleveland, and Toronto cars. My apologies to Jeff and the group...
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jcovert ·
Thanks for clarifying CTSRapid I was looking thru my mth subway sets today, and realized the CTA 30-2477 set bears a close resemblance to the orange Philly subway cars. I might be on the look out for some more of these cars for repainting and new decals.
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Joseph Frank ·
Hello Guys PERHAPS we should create a survey for Joe @ IMW on this thread as to who want to have these BELOW items in O-Scale: Using the " a to h " list below: ---------BROAD STREET SUBWAY -- PRE-WAR CARS: (a) - North Broad / B-1 Cars (1926 built original cars) (b) - South Broad / B-2 Cars (1938 built Pattison Ave. Extension cars) (c) - Broad St. Subway / B-3 BRIDGE line cars (built in 1936) ---------BROAD STREET SUBWAY -- POST-WAR CARS: (d) - Broad IV Cars (Built in 1980-81 - Modern Orange...
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jcovert ·
Thanks Joe for taking the initiative to set up the survey. G: Budd Built 'Almond Joy Roof' El Cars D : Broad IV Cars - modern orange cars
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CTSRapid ·
Joe- Amen to that- great initiative on your part! I'm all in on "G- Almond Joys" if and when. Well done and many thanx!
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Joseph Frank ·
Hello Jeff C Well, some advice, unfortunately; The CTA Chicago (MTH CTA 30-2477) Cars are much shorter very vaguely similar cars to the longer and wider Broad St Subway B-4 Subway Cars. The prototype Chicago EL Cars -(per MTH set 30-2477)- bodies are just inside 9 feet wide x 48 feet long --- The prototype Broad Street Subway B-4 car bodies are 10 feet wide x 67 feet long See Images below attached comparing both body types; Your cursor placed over the photo shows the caption; You could get a...
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MNCW ·
Boo hiss. Tom
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jcovert ·
Hi joe Thanks for the sage advice. Thinking back, having ridden on the CTA EL, there is certainly a big size difference compared to the philly subway. Back to the drawing board..... Looks like we drum up enough interest to get cars made, or it's off to Atlas horizon cars Cool pic of the CTA 2200 at Fern Rock I remember being on the sub at fern rock, wondering if the train would ever make it to the platform. When one wants to get home, it seems like a long ride around the yard
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Rapid Transit Holmes ·
Joe F, As the conversation has been allowed to rapidly transit from Philadelphia to New York, I will allow my unalloyed vested self-interest to rear its ugly head and propose what might be a couple of potentially lucrative reissues for Mr. Wolf & Associates to pursue: 1.) The Staten Island Rapid Transit Rwy. (SIRT) ALCo S-2. The model differs from all the other S-2s in only two details, the paint scheme and the crew talk. Though "crew talk" is normally abhorrent to me, what the boys...
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Re: Philadelphia Subways and Elevated

Gpritch ·
RE: the Fallon Street Railway . . . has that been set up recently? Are there any upcoming plans for it? I last saw it at the old Ft. Washington Expo Center which has been closed for years now.
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Gene H ·
I seen Jim Sparkmins trains at the Greenbergs show at the old Civic Center in Philly like 30 years ago. I wish they would make the Philly Subway Elivated cars in O. My Dad worked for PTC/Septa 1941-81 mostly at the 69th st shop.
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Dan Padova ·
I miss the old Fort Washington Expo Center. I live a mile and a half from there. It was so convenient.
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Joseph Frank ·
Hello Guys Well, heh, except for me and 2 others here showing ACTIVE purchase interest so far, have I proven my stated point that there is scant little MODELING interest in Philly Subway & EL system rolling stock in O-Scale to convince any MFG to produce these cars - and why they have not been done in O Scale ever before ? And only a few in "epoxy resin body shell" tiny limited production runs in HO Scale (and maybe N Scale) !!!
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Dan Padova ·
I'll place my vote for d & g
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CTSRapid ·
Joe- Q.E.D., unfortunately. Well, if Philly is the dead end you predicted, how about returning to the fountainhead of O-scale subways, i.e., the Big Apple. If anyone has his finger on the pulse of MTH, it is clearly yourself. Given MTH's prolonged dormant period, there seem to be only two directions left: newer models (expensive) or the one missing link in the older collection- the R15 everyone has been seeking for years. Any chance?
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Rule292 ·
Did you ever see Jimmy Sparkman's large scale PRT/PRT cars? I saw them many, many years ago. Sweet. Wonder how many people would be interested in "Almond Joys"?
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CTSRapid ·
Joe- Many thanx for your perceptive and insightful analysis; you clearly are the go-to guy on this stuff. Really admire how you weave in all the socio-economic elements to complete the big picture. Oh well, all I can do at this point is drool over your fantastic R15. That will have to do for now.
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John Pignatelli JR. ·
I would be very interested in the "Almond Joys". I road those guys every Friday night to the dances on the Boulevard. in the fifties and sixties.
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Dan Padova ·
The dances on the Boulevard ? There was D'Scene in the Boulevard Shopping Center, but that was 1969. Our Lady of Ransom dances I used to go to around '66, '67. What other dances were there John ?
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John Pignatelli JR. ·
Hello Dan, we also went to a dance called Wagner's on north Broad st. and a small dance way out west somewhere, we had to take a trackless trolley and a log bus ride to finally get home, The Boulevard was the biggest. 10 cent coke.
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Number 90 ·
Boy, no kidding! I never knew about any of these cars or the lines they ran on -- only the Philly trolleys and the Red Arrow Lines. Thanks for enlightening me.
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Number 90 ·
Ah . . . Brother Pignatelli, we should have suspected it of you. And did you dress like the guys on American Bandstand? I used to rush home from school to see all those Philly teens dancing and rating records in black and white.
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Dan Padova ·
Ah yes, Wagners. Never went there, but my wife frequented it. She's a Dougherty girl.
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CNJ 3676 ·
That would be his Fallon Street Railway. Amazing stuff. Images from http://philadelphiaareatractio...arkman_may_2009.html Bob
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CTSRapid ·
That Almond Joy is so sweet. I want it!
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Dan Padova ·
I've seen them in action several times. Amazing modeling.
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Re: R-21 Subway not working with DCS

GGG ·
Not unless it is defective or damaged. G
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Re: R-21 Subway not working with DCS

Barry Broskowitz ·
If the R21 comes up with lights (not just interior lights) and sounds as soon as it sees TIU power, it's missing the watchdog signal. You say that other engines are able to be added to the app. If you have a DCS Remote, you can try adding the R21 to the remote. If it adds to the remote and works fine, I would suspect the app. If it doesn't add to the remote while your other engines do add, the engine's most likely the problem. If you don't have a remote, then do a signal strength test using...
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Re: R-21 Subway not working with DCS

metsno1fan ·
This is exactly whats happening, its starting up conventionally, and continues to operate perfectly in conventional mode as if the TIU isn't even there. No remote, but the app reads 10s on both other units (PS2 SD60M #20-2763-1 & PS3 2-8-0 #20-3430-1) I had put on the track before and after the Subway power car. Made sure each time the TIU was powered up before applying track power. Thanks!
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Re: R-21 Subway not working with DCS

Barry Broskowitz ·
This is exactly whats happening, its starting up conventionally, and continues to operate perfectly in conventional mode as if the TIU isn't even there. No remote, but the app reads 10s on both other units (PS2 SD60M #20-2763-1 & PS3 2-8-0 #20-3430-1) I had put on the track before and after the Subway power car. Made sure each time the TIU was powered up before applying track power. Based on the above, it would appear that you have a problem with the R21 itself. Using the Z4000, try a...
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Re: R-21 Subway not working with DCS

Barry Broskowitz ·
Sounds like you have an old LOCAL SOUNDS Set per late 90's - 2000. The R21 came in both Locosounds and PS2, and was released circa 2002. The OP clearly stated that it's a " PS2 5v R-21 Subway ".
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metsno1fan ·
I assure you it's a PS2 set. I'll give the Z4000 a shot tonight after I get the kids in bed.
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metsno1fan ·
Barry, Just performed the transformer reset, heard the two confirmation horns. Put it back on the track with a TIU, this time with the Z4000 as the transformer and still nothing. Engine operates in conventional mode and won't be found with the app. This has got me stumped..
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Re: R-21 Subway not working with DCS

Barry Broskowitz ·
Does it still come on with lights and sounds as soon as track power is turned on? If not, what message do you get when attempting to add the engine to the remote?
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metsno1fan ·
It starts up just like it would conventionally. Power up the track and the interior lights come on imeadiately followed by the the front and marker lights a second later along with the start up sounds. Operates perfectly in conventional mode except for the fact that the TIU is powering the track! Responds to all PS2 commands like learn mode and station stop announcements from the Z4000 I just have the app, but I go to add engines, it refreshes for a minute, briefly says something along the...
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Re: R-21 Subway not working with DCS

Barry Broskowitz ·
Unfortunately, it sounds as if the problem is with the R21.
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Gregg ·
Did you try a different TIU channel " just with the tiu to determine if the engine is missing the watch dog signal? It should be dark & silent. Seems like a engine problem or low dcs signal. You don't need a remote for this test. You mentioned tiu was powered up before applying track power. Do you mean you use an aux power supply? The watch dog goes out every time the voltage is raised above 0 on that channel.
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Re: R-21 Subway not working with DCS

metsno1fan ·
Yep. Tried both Fixed 1 and 2. Cant use Variable tracks yet since the premium version of the app isn't out yet. Using the Z4000 I had the left side hooked to Fixed 1 to power the TIU and the right to Fixed 2 for the track. Also tried Fixed 1 without external power for the TIU and track, so the TIU would power up with the transformer. I had two other engines on the exact same setup immediately before and after the R21 and both ran in DCS fine. Also measured 10 Signal Strength for those two...
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Gregg ·
We know proto-3 engines will work with the red and black connections reversed at the track. Can't be that because wasn't one of the engines a" proto-2 "that worked? I'm just thinking out loud.
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metsno1fan ·
I was actually just thinking about that. A PS2 3v engine worked fine with DCS in the exact same setup, unless the 5v boards were more sensitive to this? I have it wired exactly as shown in the manual, with Red to Center, Black to outside, but I'll give it a shot and reverse them tonight.
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metsno1fan ·
Hi, just revisiting this topic and seeing if anyone as anymore ideas on what can be happening. Once again the TIU and WIU are finehooked up to Z4000 powering a loop of track around the tree. My app adds and controls PS2 and PS3 engines fine, but when my R21 Subway is placed on the track it ignores the TIU and operates in conventional mode. App won't recognize it either.
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stan2004 ·
If the engine always starts up in conventional mode, it is missing the DCS watchdog. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but mine is if it doesn't start up silently (in command mode) then no point trying to add it with the remote, fussing with the App, etc.. This is given that the engine operates perfectly in conventional and your other PS engines work fine in command. As for something you can do "at home" all I can suggest is visually check the integrity of the unique component on the PS2...
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Gene H ·
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Gene H ·
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Gene H ·
I'm the oddball I would like the ----------MARKET - FRANKFORD EL CARS - PRE-WAR CARS: (e) - Original "Market St" line EL (ME-1) Cars built in 1906 (f) - Later 'Frankford Extension Line" EL (ME-2) Cars built in 1919-20
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Lionelski ·
Arnold, I'm resurrecting this thread with pics of Warrenville's subway. The rat in the 4th pic below is one of about a half a dozen or so. The tile wall was made from graph paper sprayed with clear lacquer for sheen and many of the signs and directional signs were cut out of real vintage subway maps.
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Dad's Train Room ·
Here is an old video of my subway. I have to update this video as I have done some work on the station located here. And my EL loop.
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MELGAR ·
It looks like those Warrenville citizens don't even budge when they see a rat in the subway. As a long-ago resident of New York City, I used to respond rather quickly on such occasions, which were extremely rare... In spite of that, I still enjoy riding the subway in the greatest city in the world, with Boston a close second. Beautiful subway modeling, too. MELGAR.
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FJI ·
We have a large subway line on on our TMB club layout One of our members has a YouTube channel under the name L I train with some nice videos Also there are some nice photo on the club’s website www.tmbmodeltrainclub.com
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Lionelski ·
Thanks for the compliment Melgar. The New Yorker's I know (including me) don't run from rats, we try to kick 'em onto the tracks. Did you notice that one of the citizens that you mentioned is a giant space insect?
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