Tagged With "Ace Trains"

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Anyone heard from 'Ace'?

spwills ·
I noticed he hasn't posted in a month. Anyone know anything?
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Re: Anyone heard from 'Ace'?

rtr12 ·
I don't know anything, but he seems to sometimes be missing for a while and then return a few weeks or even months later. I am guessing he probably has other things to tend to. I enjoy his track plans and always try to watch for them.
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Re: Anyone heard from 'Ace'?

JD2035RR ·
Just wanted to send out another beacon signal for ACE. Anyone know him personally? Haven't seen him around lately. Hope everything is ok! JD
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

Buco ·
Thank you so much "ROYBOY", "TEDS", & "PRRJIM" for helping out with your knowledge and advice. I did a little "test" yesterday with one of my early AC "301" Buco loco's, and it seemed to run very well around the track on DC power. The field winding did not get "hot" to touch after 5 min of continual operation, which is a good sign. I used my DC transformer in the same manner as I do with the AC transformer - both are Buco transformers but one has a DC rectifier fitted - (power off -...
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AC engines

rrman ·
I understand DC traction motor engines cannot go through water about 3 inches above rail top to avoid short circuits. Does this same prohibition apply to AC traction motored engines?
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Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

Buco ·
I have a large collection of original 220v AC Buco trains (1950's - made in Switzerland), as well as some of Buco's "New Generation" loco's that are now being built to run on 220v DC power. At the moment I have a dedicated transformer that provides DC power to the track when I run the newer loco's, and an isolating switch and an AC transformer to power the track when the older loco's are running. I know that the newer DC loco's won't run on AC power, but I also know the older AC loco's can...
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Re: AC engines

RoyBoy ·
I suspect that it's more about where the motor is located (how high above the rail head) than what power supply the motor takes.
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Re: AC engines

Hot Water ·
Yes.
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Re: AC engines

rrman ·
Hi, Could you explain why wasn't problem. Motors sealed or shielded that water can't enter motors but yet can be cooled?
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Re: AC engines

Hot Water ·
Good grief!!!! He is joking as, the "AC-4's through AC-12's" were the class designations of the cab forwards on the Southern Pacific Railroad, i.e. STEAM LOCOMOTIVES!
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Re: AC engines

rrman ·
Hi, You have to understand, for me, I like to to just watch trains, I am NOT hung up on what they are called, wheel classifications, how many rivets something has, etc etc. I just enjoy trains. Now on the other hand if I were deeply involved and immersed in engines and car trivia, I probably would have known that these were steamers. Not all of us are brains in this stuff, some of us just enjoy what we see for the beauty without trying to classify stuff or remembering who what where why. I...
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

RoyBoy ·
Most older motors are series wound universal motors that will run on AC or DC. They should run just fine on DC.
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

Ted S ·
Running on DC won't harm the motors. They're universal: AC or DC. There have been some reports that running on DC may magnetize your E-unit plunger, causing it to stick. That won't happen right away, if at all. The solution is simple-- just run your loco on AC again for a little while, which will demagnetize it.
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

prrjim ·
I am not sure about the E-units on DC. The motors should be fine, but the E-unit may not work, you may only be able to run one direction.
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

Ted S ·
No the E-units will work, at least for a while. SOME folks have reported the plunger sticking after a long while, because it has become magnetized. If you change to DC permanently, you can rewire the motor to bypass the E-unit and control direction by changing polarity on the rails (as they do in HO scale, etc.)
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

gunrunnerjohn ·
DC will typically run the old universal motors a bit smoother, no surprise there.
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

CJ Meyers ·
A Lionel 'universal' motor has a wire wound field. What an E unit does, is reverse the polarity of the field with respect to the armature to make the motor reverse. If you ran a universal motor without an E unit on DC and switched the track polarity, the engine would still NOT reverse, because you're switching the polarity of both the field and the armature. Unlike a permanent magnet motor, where the field polarity is 'permanent' (duhh) and track polarity switches the armature only. THEN the...
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

gunrunnerjohn ·
CJ, you're just wrong in this context as he has an E-Unit to reverse only the armature. This will indeed reverse the direction. You'd be right, of course, if this were just a series wound motor running directly on DC.
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

geysergazer ·
In order to do this you need to wire in a bridge rectifier in place of the E-unit such that reversing the DC polarity of the rails also reverses the polarity to the motor field winding with respect to the armature windings. From here: On Edit: I did this way back in the '90s and it works quite well. Lew
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

BOB WALKER ·
This question comes up quite often. As noted, both early conventional power engines with universal motors and mechanical E-units and later can motor engines with electronic E-units will operate on DC power. In this case, the standard forward-stop-reverse-stop, etc. protocol will be intact. There is one additional option with DC power. To take advantage of the DC polarity control of direction, with universal motor engines, bypass the mechanical E-unit and substitute that well documented...
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Re: Can I run my old AC powered loco's on DC ?

Buco ·
Once again forum members, thanks for all of the positive feedback. I can rest easy at night knowing I am not slowly burning out the fine wires in the stator coils of these collectable Swiss 3 rail "O" gauge loco's. Thank you "GUNRUNNERJOHN" for also chipping-in - I really appreciate the advice you give. You set me straight about using "Loctite 660" to secure the slipping pinion gear on the Lionel Can motor shaft I had. Worked a treat!!! Thank you. Peter (Buco tragic) - Queensland, Australia.
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Re: Basic pushbutton questions

superotrackdon ·
Hi Jonathan, I have much experiance with all this & can answer with certainty. I've personally done all this with my own stuff. Regarding the switches, 15a @ 20v is best due to they can take a full short & usually would not suffer damage. Your transformer is not that large so the smaller ones would work, but I would use the larger. Now... look at the rating of a switch. If it's rated 5a @ 40v, that would handle 13a @15v. That will be a guide when looking for switches. Ok, regarding...
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Re: Basic pushbutton questions

gunrunnerjohn ·
IMO, there's some bad information here. First off, switch ratings are almost always for AC unless specifically stated that it's a DC rating. AC switching is easier on the switch due to the constant switching of the current where breaking a DC connection always involves the maximum current flowing in the circuit. Typically, a switch DC rating will be less than the AC rating, how much less will depend on the switch design. A DC inductive load aggravates the situation due to the fact that the...
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Re: Basic pushbutton questions

superotrackdon ·
Hi rrman, Western Depot train shop in Yuba City, CA sells a kit to put a recifier in the eunit power wire on old locos. The reason is simply to stop the buzz. Some folks hate the buzz. I have one of the kits, but have never installed it. The buzz doesn't bother me. Anyway, he told me after a long period of time the eunit will be magnetized & plunger not drop properly. When you notice this, reverse 2 leads of recifier & it will reverse the magnetism. The impression I got is it would...
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

PLCProf ·
From painful experience, please be sure to do the math around the half-wave rectifier. Peak/RMS input currents will probably be higher than you expect, but my bigger concern would be the ripple current rating of those tiny capacitors. Perhaps you have already done this. I might also provide instructions to transpose the input polarity of multiple units on the same circuit to cancel the DC component in the transformer as much as possible. I have never done any tests to see how much DC a...
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

gg1man ·
I solved all of my low voltage problems by use of a PC power supply. I bought mien at Radio Shack but I'm sure you can find them at multiple outlets. It provides a 5VDC, 12VDC, 9VDC output from a standard 120 AC input and I only paid about twenty-five bucks for it. Of course you have to get a little creative bringing your voltages out to a terminal strips, but it came with a chart that showed the pin out on the connector. Return is the same for all voltages. Even without that a volt meter...
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

JohnGaltLine ·
I'm going to guess it is a hobbyist of a different sort. It has proven difficult to find accurate and/or up to date numbers, but the best I can find shows over 3 million Raspberry Pi's sold as of March 2014. Arduinos are even harder to track because there are many more clones out there. The figures I can find suggest over 1.5 million boards just between genuine Arduino boards and SparkFun branded boards are sold each year. Other articles and community responses say for every genuine board...
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Re: is there any o gauge transformers that i could use for ac and dc ?

Adriatic ·
There were some dc only trains before Lionel/MPC, just not many. A bridge rectifier is small and cheap in comparison to a new power supply. It will change your ac output to dc. You could use a switch to add it or remove it from your track circuit. In this application I'd oversize it somewhat, matching amp/volts to the transformers output ( a bridge rectifier= four diodes "in a circle").(over 35v & 6a-16amp depending on the transformer) To reverse a dc train, you also need a double throw...
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

gunrunnerjohn ·
If you're only drawing 20ma or so from the supply, there will be no ripple, the 555 will work fine. Yep, the switchers are for higher currents. I presume you did see my posting on several designs using the switchers? AC-DC Power Module for Model Train Applications Or this one with a linear regulator? "Universal" AC-DC Power Supply for O-gauge Locomotives and Rolling Stock
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AC-DC Power Module for Model Train Applications

gunrunnerjohn ·
I've been batting this idea around for some time, and decided I'd take a stab at making my own variable AC-DC power supply that included stuff like DCS compatibility, as well as common ground capability for compatibility with TMCC systems. I frequently want an independent source of power in projects, this seems to be a good way to solve that problem. Here's the result of my thinking, it's simple and to the point. I use one of the many Chinese small switching modules as my switching power...
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Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

Richard Marsden ·
Hello, First I should describe my background: I've been model railroading for about 15 yrs - N scale modular (DC/DCC) and British Finescale O (7mm/ft, 2 rail DC/DCC, mostly brass kit locos and wagons). We have a toddler and live in the US and this will be his first Christmas in the US, so the tradition of Lionel trainset around the tree beckons! I've managed to find out quite a bit online already. I'll post what I'm thinking so anyone can tell me if I'm way off base; and then finish with...
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Powering ac lights from a lock on or itd

Choop4451 ·
Hello all.. I am setting up a small layout for my grandson.. I am using the Z1000 controller to power the train and 1 switch. I didn’t see anywhere to hook up any accessories to the Z1000, and I want to power 3 12v ac lights in a tunnel. Can I use a lock on or an ITD to power them from the track? I don’t want to buy another transformer for just 3 lights. Thanks for any advice Charlie
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AC & DC Loads on DPDS Switch?

Glofkinator ·
I'll be in the process of planning my first real layout for quite some time, and in the meantime I've been setting up smaller layouts to test different aspects and scenarios. When I start my larger layout, I plan to use DC to power tortoise switched on Ross switches. Knowing that will be the case, I'm planning to use some LEDs elsewhere on the layout that will utilize the DC power and keep less of a load on my train transformers. With that in mind, I see some great uses for LEDs in a control...
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Re: slooooowing it down- diodes in AC engines??

Lou1985 ·
Oh all the Pullmor motor locomotives I converted with AC Commanders will go that slowly, just not all the way around the layout with 3 dummy units and 12 freight cars in tow. Hit a 054 or 072 curve at 10 scale mph and they stall about half way through the curve with the above train in tow. 20-25 scale mph is about as slow as they will make a complete circuit without stalling. Try the above test with your Phantom. I'm curious if it'll respond the same. My stuff is regularly lubed so it's...
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Re: Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

Macgruff69 ·
Hi everyone. I too am in a situation similar to Richard. I have a toddler and I'd like to get him interested in the hobby. I have fond memories of playing with train sets with my father and brother when I was a child. My son is only one but already seems to enjoy trains. Everything looks a lot different from when I was a child. I have an older RTR set, a Lionel 7-21905 a NY Central Freight set, very basic with a 40 w transformer. For right now I'd like to just set up a set around the tree...
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brianel_k-lineguy ·
Richard, I understand your motivation for your questions, and they are honest questions. And as you will see, you are going to get a wide multitude of answers and opinions. But there's a basic problem of adults (with their own ideas and firm preferences) speaking on behalf on what is best for children. I've done many public shows with a display layout geared to kids. Not once ever did any kid ever notice that I didn't have command control or that the trains were not scale, or that the trains...
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Moonman ·
Hi Richard, Get this for under the tree. The toddler can play with it and most likely operate it. Look for a CW-80 to run on AC. Get your own stuff later! Due in train stores Oct. or Nov.
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Re: Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

JTrains ·
Not sure exactly how old your son is, but he’s probably about the same age as mine (3 1/2) – so a few real-time thoughts. Having on-hand the Post-War Lionel equipment that I grew up with, that’s what he’s been using on the basement floor for close to a year. I think it’s going to be by far the best bang-for-your-buck. Gently used A/C transformers, tubular 3-rail track, accessories, and engines/rolling stock are plentiful, reliable, and durable. Running a conventional layout is almost...
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Re: Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

Gilly@N&W ·
Richard, Sorry I didn't mention this earlier. Kids love to push trains. I bought my grand daughter (2 1/2) a couple of dummies. She has more fun pushing them around than watching a train run on it's own. The old style Pulmor Lionel motor is a good choice for the same reason. Can motor gearing does not tolerate getting "pushed".
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Re: Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

bigtruckpete ·
So true and a great tip. My almost three year old spends more time pushing and crashing cars than watching or running them with a transformer/handheld. Heck our little ones even just like pushing box cars, flat cars, anything!!! The $20 cars that Menards offers are very rugged and you won't mind if they take a beating. You can also usually get a second car for free that includes some sort of vehicle that the kidos like too. Menards.com. Have fun with your project!
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Re: Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

Wanderer ·
Hi Richard, It looks like there is no shortage of info for you. But incase you want/need more, I'll add my 2 cents . I made my 1st 3 rail purchase about a year ago. My son was 2 1/2 at the time. We bought a conventional ready to run set. We had fun with it and still occasionally run it. That was the beginning and now he is a train nut! We have a fairly modest layout in the basement and he's got 5 or 6 different "layouts" of his own in other parts of the house (mostly the Thomas wooden sets).
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Re: Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

Thaddeus ·
At our house, my son now 7, loves pushing around the cars. For the last few years I have kept a siding to set the locomotive on, so he can still push the cars. We have two rules, do not push the locomotive, and do not pick up the cars. We always have another siding to so he can rearrange cars. He has been good about these rules since he was a little over three. In the following years, he has learned to operate the transformer and last year he was running two trains via TMCC all on his own. I...
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Re: Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

rex desilets ·
FWIW: I've cycled through numerous children and grandchildren. They all liked to see the trains go fast. So my first recommendation is to buy a PW locomotive, cast metal. The old "sidewinder" locos were the closest thing to immortal you're likely to see. I also bought, here and there, "sacrificial" cars, since they are likely to get banged up. Second, the chillun all got tired pretty quickly of watching a train go around in circles. So I added operating cars and accessories-the Lionel milk...
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Re: Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

challenger3980 ·
When I switched from HO, to O 3 Rail, I went with RealTrax, because to ME, it looks so much better than Fastrack. Having bought numerous Lionel sets, I have used both FT and RT, I like the appearance of RT better, and have found that, IN MY EXPERIENCE, FT doesn't stay together any better than RT does without clips, and RT offers the "H" clips, which will hold the track together, and FT, doesn't offer ANY kind of positive track lock. If you are running on a hard surface such as vinyl or...
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Re: Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

challenger3980 ·
Well, some people just can't let go of the past. SOME MTH locomotives don't play nicely with the CW-80, I would fault the locomotives, as much as I would the CW-80, but that does not seem to be politically correct on this forum. As far as the "Past Issues" with the CW-80, those were corrected before 2006, there should not be any Issues with the CW-80, other than some MTH locomotives not playing Nicely with together. In MY EXPERIENCE, I have used many more CW-80's than Z-1000's, and had as...
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Re: Beginner 3 rail questions (but not beginner model railroad)

Jim 1939 ·
Don't be afraid of a Lionchief set. At our modular layout setups I have seen many 3 year olds pick up the controller and do just fine running the train.
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TM Terry ·
IMO wooden train is best for kids under 10 years old. The Thomas the Tank Engine wooden trains have many options and along with DVD's will give your child hours of positive experiences. They can build their own track plans and recreate much of what they see on DVD's. And my children's experiences is that they are much more interested in building "trains" and pushing they around their track plan. There will be plenty of time to transition to the good stuff. But you may not wish to wait that...
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Re: Amp for quiet sounds

RickO ·
Have you tried lowering the train brake slider to increase the labor of the chuff?
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Layout track power questions

CurtisC ·
I am new to the OGR forum and building a ceiling / shelf layout that spans 2 rooms - about 50 ft. of single loop with passing sidings on opposite sides of the loop. The plan is to run 2 trains simultaneously in opposite directions using stop and control blocks. Locomotives are older (2003-2005) conventional Williams and Lionel. 1) Are there track power options that provide a remote control capability so that train operations could be controlled from either room preferably wireless but cabled...
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Re: Layout track power questions

rtr12 ·
Wiring Your Toy Train Layout by Peter Riddle is a pretty good all around wiring book for 3 rail AC trains. I enjoyed reading it, but it's been a few years. I don't recall exactly how much was covered on blocks? But, there is a lot of good and helpful info in the book for a good understanding of wiring most things.
 
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