How large are these transformers? Interested in one to use for bench testing and thought might be a little more practical than the MTH Z-4000 (not as much space on the overcrowded work bench) but shipping cost seem to be ALL over the place. Just thought someone might give me an Idea of weight and size of these. Thanks Tom Weaver
Our MTH repair guy has tried ordering them for a long time and says that he can't get them. Maybe going directly through Midge is the answer? I assumed if their repair man couldn't get them, what chance would I have? Art
Originally Posted by Chugman: Our MTH repair guy has tried ordering them for a long time and says that he can't get them. Maybe going directly through Midge is the answer? I assumed if their repair man couldn't get them, what chance would I have? Art Maybe Midge doesn't like your "repair guy"? See if you can com up with an MTH part number, or if not, have a specific locomotive item ready when you call Midge, and leave her an exact description of what you want, how many, plus your home phone...
The only place I can get them is off used locos I buy at swap meets, etc. I check all the trashed/broken PS2 locos I think might have them - sometimes they are priced as little as $25, and considering the motors, dual pickups, and such, that price is a bargain to me.
Well I'd rather not have to buy a broken engine just to get parts, but it may eventually come to that... I find it hard to believe that MTH doesn't sell this part. They still make engines with those rollers so you'd think that it wouldn't be a problem to get them separately.
I assume you are talking about diesel engines? Do you have any Lionel or Williams engines with dual rollers? Lionel has many styles of dual rollers that might work. Go to their website and under Customer Service, Replacement Parts, search for "collector" or "coll" Here is one of many examples in stock: Pete
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn: If I can get them, you should be able to get them from MTH as well. All the parts come from the same place, they don't reserve parts for repair shops. John, I order parts from lionel at least twice a month. I can get part numbers and if they are in stock within a couple of minutes using their main website. The interface is the same one used by Service Centers. Only a fraction of MTH rolling stock has a parts icon which brings up diagrams with part numbers.
Originally Posted by Chugman: This would seem to confirm a suspicion we have had of our repair guy. Actually of both repair guys because neither claims to be able to get them. Thanks for shedding some light on this problem. Art I see this many times. Repair shops that don't want to order parts for customers or don't want to do a specific repair, so they tell folks parts are not available. So they give it to me, and I get the part and repair it, than the bulb goes off in their head that some...
I ordered a bunch not that long ago and got them pretty fast. I always order more for stock so I have them when I need them. We don't get to deal with Midge. But with those part #'s and a quick call to Midge you'll get them. Ralph
A big thanks to everyone for all the quick replies! I'm new to the community here and it's great to see that so many people are willing to offer help. Following what some people have said here and what was discussed on this topic: ( https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...ly=15649413418695781 ) it looks like the dual pickup rollers are part #BD-0000097. Based on what's been discussed, I'm going to give my local train store one more call to see if the parts are in yet, and if they are not I'm gonna...
A friend of mine published this YT video last week. You guys may find it helpful. MRC Pure Power Dual Transformer. (Matt) - Trainlover9943 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g8UQ9gpQcI I called some of my Train Shops and they are out of stock. Hope this helps: Gary
I run conventionally. I use three of these, each tied to one of three 'districts' on the layout...Left throttle for the Lower level, right throttle for the upper level. I do not use the 14v fixed voltage accessory port on any of the three....strictly for running the trains. I have a few PW ZW's I use for accessories and lights. VERY pleased with the MRC Dual's performance. LOVE those meters!! KD
Great product, ditto on comments regarding MTH equipment performance. A question however, why would you need something this size for bench testing? On my test bench I have a lionel LW but only because I had it and it was not being used. A Z-1000 might be a better alternative, more than enough power.
Gentlemen, Nice Transformer, if you can pick a used one up at a good price add it to your power station. It is limited however with only 2 power channels/handles. 270 for the complete Transformer not, 270 on each channel. Still a decent power supply, I also believe you can leave the handles in the up/on position, and turn the Transformer on and off from a power bar or remote. PCRR/Dave
Tom Weaver, AMC Dave is correct the P1-P3 electronics is not a perfect match to the MRC for some reason, however this MRC 270 transformer runs Lionel Legacy perfectly. I do like the meters also, however the Z4K has digital meters and matches their PS Engines perfectly. For this reason I am like AMC Dave and run DCS & Legacy with the Z4K's and the old ZW & KW Transformers. I do want to pick up a ZW-L also. PCRR/Dave
Ditto, here.... .....At least no MORE issues than with the Lionel, K-Line, Weaver, 3rd Rail engines I run with them. And the only "issue" that disappoints is the slight sag in engine speed when operating the whistle and bell buttons. Well, I tend to forgive this when running the trains for my own enjoyment. I'm not much of a whistle-blower (in the railroad sense, that is! ), bell-ringer, or, for that matter, a lover of smoke, smoke, and more smoke. Of course, for visitors its a necessity.
Any single twin motored williams will have no problem pulling those cars. I wonder how many miles are on those engines? I bought a worn out EP5 that didn't run the greatest, the flywheel motors had too many hours on them.
I put on two locos that I hadn't run for some months and for some reason they became out of sync! They fought each other until I realized what was going on. Without the modern electronics I think running multiple motors is problematic and as noted above how they are wired can affect performance. If you can tether them all together it may help. I have an A-B unit that I have done that with and it cured the stuttering.
Most of the electronic E-units made after 1990 would start in forward if left off more than ten-fifteen seconds. If the one running in reverse is pulling against the lead unit and your E-units are the start in forward type then reverse the motor leads on the trailing unit and they will stay in sync. This will not work for conventional mechanical E-units or first gen electronic E-units. I think all the Dallee E-units do the start in forward trick and would get the job done for your two units.
I have a large run up to the mountains. The incline is at 3.5%. They slow down and cant make it the first 120 inches as it reaches 3 inch height. 3 over 120 is 2.5%. Dual AA pulling 5 Williams SP Coaches and they cant pull em. The rest of the way is another 100 inches to 7 inch . 7 over 200 is 3.5% total.. Lionel gp 38's fly up it pulling 15 cars. I'll work on all the suggestions. Thanks again.
Discussed often here, but one more time: These locos (and their Lionel PW inspiration) infuriate me; Lionel actually produced this fair representation (as it was a toy first and a model second) of a version of a GE 80-tonner (real loco), but called it, weirdly, a 44-tonner (also real, of course, but looking very little like the 80-tonner, above). This has caused endless hours of debate and soul-searching about this mis-named loco. Had Lionel called it an "80-tonner" when it came out, it...
Industrial Designs – Proposed Concept Class FW "Well Hole" Railcar: This is a proposed design railroad class FW flatcar capable of accepting an oversize height load. The main design feature is a dual “I-Beam” which supports the load in a “well” and allows improved stability when transporting a tall load. Due to the extended length of the car it is classified Plate F. The “equivalent” truck centers for the car is 68 feet which exceeds the 46 ft. – 3 in. limit for AAR Plate F. As a result the...
O Scale Model of Class FW 12-Axle "Well Hole" Railcar: This model is based on a proposed design railroad class FW flatcar capable of accepting an oversize height load. The main design feature is a dual “I-Beam” which supports the load in a “well” and allows improved stability when transporting a tall load. Due to the extended length of the car it is classified Plate F. The “equivalent” truck centers for the car is 68 feet which exceeds the 46 ft. – 3 in. limit for AAR Plate F. As a result...
"Poor Mans" Dual Motored Williams 44-ton diesel This is a Williams 44-ton diesel in PRR paint scheme that has been converted to series wired "dual" motors. The original sound board and speaker has been removed from the cab area. The cab interior has been painted and the window area has been modified as shown. Diode controlled directional LED headlights will be added later. Note: This "conventional powered" Williams model originally was powered by a single motor. However converting the model...
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