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CNW, Northshore Line, PRR, MTH European, 2 Rail Brass,

mjsachnoff ·
Hello Fellow Model Train Lovers, After attending various shows over the years and not finding what I wanted I've decided to put out my whole laundry list of items wanted to our O Gauge RR Community. If you have any (or all) of the items listed below,...
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3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
Hello all, I have a 1980(ish) Sunset Models N&W J Class 4-8-4. It is all original (right now) and I need to convert it from 2 rail operation to 3 rail. I have found a company that will install MTH ProtoSound 3 in it, but I was wondering work I need to do to prepare it for that. For the wheels I am using Lionel's parts for their recent rendition of the 611. Obviously I will need to install pickup rollers, but should I also use the Lionel motor or is there a better option? Also, are there...
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Re: Problems with my 3'rd rail steam engine

Moonson ·
I'd call Scott Mann's office and discuss it with him before discussing it further with us here. FrankM.
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Re: Problems with my 3'rd rail steam engine

Norton ·
I would guess this is a conventional engine, no? Was the engine hot or the tender? Usually removing three screws will allow you to pull the shell off the engine. That will allow you to tell if the motor turns freely. Pete
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Wanted: MTH Premier or Sunset Big Boy

mjsachnoff ·
Hello Fellow Model Train Lovers, I"m seeking a 2 or three rail version of this classic locomotive - the UP Big Boy.    I'm building a collection and layout for use in a railroad themed restaurant. Also seeking 2 rail Weaver Pennsylvania RR...
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Problems with my 3'rd rail steam engine

taki53 ·
I have a Sunset Models/3'rd rail Long Island railroad 4-6-0 steam engine from 1999. It was running pretty good until it just stopped. I was running it today for around 30 minutes when it just stopped. It felt warm when I touched it. I waited a while and still no luck. Any ideas would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

bob2 ·
Start college as in just fooling around, or are you 19 and going for a degree? If the latter, put the trains away for six years, study your tail off, emerge with a masters in something, and then get back in to trains. Voice of experience here - you never really catch up if you are not serious right off the bat. I got serious at 26, and was always about six years behind my colleagues. Worked out in the long run; all my friends are now 20 years younger than me.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
Originally Posted by bob2: Start college as in just fooling around, or are you 19 and going for a degree? If the latter, put the trains away for six years, study your tail off, emerge with a masters in something, and then get back in to trains. Voice of experience here - you never really catch up if you are not serious right off the bat. I got serious at 26, and was always about six years behind my colleagues. Worked out in the long run; all my friends are now 20 years younger than me. The...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Norton ·
Originally Posted by Will Ebbert: Anyone can buy a Lionel locomotive and slap a couple extra details on it, but this is something special. Indeed Will. Many don't seem to comprehend the difference between making something yourself vs simply buying something someone else made. Pete
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Tom Taipalus ·
Originally Posted by Will Ebbert: I already have this, if I sold it I probably wouldn't get as much as I paid for it, and even if I get the details to add on, brass steamers just look so much better than die cast. Corners are crisper, details are finer. On die cast steamers, things that should be thin like the cab sides and the coal bunker on the tender scale to be 2 or 3 inches thick. Plus, this makes a project for me and it will be a locomotive to be proud of for the rest of my life.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

2railguy ·
I understand completely the concept as i have a large collection of custom built locos by various famous builders such as bill lenoir, jerry white etc...as well as my own. At the end of the day, sunset still built the j as well, not custom built. Originally Posted by Norton: Originally Posted by Will Ebbert: Anyone can buy a Lionel locomotive and slap a couple extra details on it, but this is something special. Indeed Will. Many don't seem to comprehend the difference between making...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Tom Taipalus ·
Originally Posted by Norton: Originally Posted by Will Ebbert: Anyone can buy a Lionel locomotive and slap a couple extra details on it, but this is something special. Indeed Will. Many don't seem to comprehend the difference between making something yourself vs simply buying something someone else made. Pete Nope. Build a lot of my own stuff and encourage others to do the same. However, this idea of converting an 80's brass loco to 3-rail is going to be fraught with a lot of issues that...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Jay C ·
Will, Do you ever get the feeling nobody actually reads what your saying or their comprehension level is somewhat lacking? I'm going to talk To Gary Yoesley about your project and see if he can be of any assistance. He was Sunset's primary service guy for 30 years. He probably knows more about these models than anyone else. Jay
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

2railguy ·
Yes glad you noticed, my comprehension level is really lacking on this project. Originally Posted by Jay C: Will, Do you ever get the feeling nobody actually reads what your saying or their comprehension level is somewhat lacking? I'm going to talk To Gary Yoesley about your project and see if he can be of any assistance. He was Sunset's primary service guy for 30 years. He probably knows more about these models than anyone else. Jay
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Hudson J1e ·
Will, OK I see where you are coming from. If it were me I wouldn't do it but it's your locomotive and your hobby and I don't judge. Just do whatever it is that makes you happy. The reason I gave my opinion as to sell it earlier is because many model railroaders often change their interests over time myself included. They change scales, eras, leave the hobby, move to a new home, come back to the hobby, etc and while you say you will never sell the engine now you never know what life is going...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Yves ·
Instead of turning to 3 rails a very nice 2 rails model, have you thought of converting your entire layout to 2 rails? You seem to find more pleasure in the precise and realistic aspects of 2 rails engines. Yves
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by Yves: Instead of turning to 3 rails a very nice 2 rails model, have you thought of converting your entire layout to 2 rails? You seem to find more pleasure in the precise and realistic aspects of 2 rails engines. Yves I was wondering when someone would make that suggestion.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

2railguy ·
We would be happy to have another 2 railer. Glad you noticed how much more accurate and better looking 2 rail is, now just lay the new track!
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

bob2 ·
Well, I suppose it is a good thing that someone wants to cut up a Sunset "J". They had a lot of detail, but they were not in the category of "great" brass. Still, they can be sold for around $600, and the very nice Williams with baked-on paint can in turn be bought for around $300. If you do it yourself, you will definitely need a narrower frame. Depending on how Sunset detailed the frame, that could mean a new frame. If you plan on using it on 3-rail typical curves, say, O54, you will need...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

bob2 ·
By the way, I just converted a Lobaugh Berkshire to 3-rail for a guy. We used a Williams mechanism, and just cut the tailbeam to accommodate the four wheel Berk truck. Bolted right in. I wonder if you could do that - just buy the Williams "J", bolt the mechanism into the Sunset boiler, and sell the leftover pieces as a beautiful 2-rail locomotive ready for assembly. I bet you would break even, except for all the expensive electronics. I might even bid for the leftovers, and I am all through...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
Originally Posted by bob2: By the way, I just converted a Lobaugh Berkshire to 3-rail for a guy. We used a Williams mechanism, and just cut the tailbeam to accommodate the four wheel Berk truck. Bolted right in. I wonder if you could do that - just buy the Williams "J", bolt the mechanism into the Sunset boiler, and sell the leftover pieces as a beautiful 2-rail locomotive ready for assembly. I bet you would break even, except for all the expensive electronics. I might even bid for the...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
Originally Posted by Yves: Instead of turning to 3 rails a very nice 2 rails model, have you thought of converting your entire layout to 2 rails? You seem to find more pleasure in the precise and realistic aspects of 2 rails engines. Yves I've thought about it many a time and if I could wind back the clock I would definitely do 2 rail, but then it would go from converting one locomotive to converting my entire fleet. If I had plenty of time and money, sure I would, but I'm about to start...
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Re: CNW, Northshore Line, PRR, MTH European, 2 Rail Brass,

rboatertoo ·
Email me Its in my profile I know who has c&nw k-line e8 and the north shore
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Re: CNW, Northshore Line, PRR, MTH European, 2 Rail Brass,

jdunn ·
Dear Marc, Please contact me offline at jdunn8888@hotmail.com or 609-432-2871 EST. I have both Orient pass set w/Nord 4-6-2 and Rheingold pass set w/Green Bay 4-6-2 Both 2 rail scale and display only- never ran PS3. Regards, John
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Stephen Bloy ·
Hi The N&W J class 4-8-4 is in the current MTH catalogue with PS3 and 3/2 rail and hi rail wheels. ( cTr......Choose the Right)
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

86TA355SR ·
Originally Posted by Will Ebbert: Hello all, I have a 1980(ish) Sunset Models N&W J Class 4-8-4. It is all original (right now) and I need to convert it from 2 rail operation to 3 rail. I have found a company that will install MTH ProtoSound 3 in it, but I was wondering work I need to do to prepare it for that. For the wheels I am using Lionel's parts for their recent rendition of the 611. Obviously I will need to install pickup rollers, but should I also use the Lionel motor or is there...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Hudson J1e ·
Originally Posted by Boilermaker1: Just buy a J with PS3 already in it. They shipped last month. I agree. Just sell it and put the money towards a modern 3 rail locomotive. You will be much happier, with less aggravation, and it is a much better investment. By saying that I mean, if you spend money to change the drivers to allow this locomotive to run on Fastrack and add PS3 ($$$ for the kit and labor --you never get that money back) you will most likely end up having something that most...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

RoyBoy ·
You might have better luck seeing if Sunset has the three rail parts. They would probably fit better than Lionel parts. Do you have your own machine shop? The cheapest/least hassle option would be to find and convert an old MTH Premier proto one version of this loco. They used to be cheap, but all the hoopla about 611 coming back online may have caused the well to dry up, at least for a while.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
They did not make a 3 rail version. Just the 2 rail, plus being 35 years old, any parts would be almost impossible to find. I do not have a machine shop. I have a couple PS1 locomotives and they are a paint to run. The battery is frustrating and they have other issues. The PS3 would allow me to download the sound set from the 611 in the current catalog which MTH claims will have sound recorded from the real locomotive. Having seen it in person, I am in love with her sound (particularly her ...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

2railguy ·
Its probably easier to just buy a 3 rail version. Consider selling the 2 rail j? I'd be interested.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Boilermaker1 ·
Just buy a J with PS3 already in it. They shipped last month.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
The detail on mine is so much better than that of the Lionel one. According to the MTH website it hasn't shipped yet.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Norton ·
If this was made before Sunset was making three rail engines you may not have enough clearance between the frame and wider wheel flanges of the three rail wheels. Have you measured the frame width and compare it to the distance between a wheelset of one of your three rail engines? Pete
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
In fact, Legacy Station's website says it was discontinued.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Ron H ·
You don't really have to change the drivers. One driver will have a wiper. Just make one for the other side. The drivers will both be the ground. The roller will be the hot lead. Unless you run on high rail it should work.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
My current layout has Fasttrack, so it needs to have hi rail wheels. I will be building a new layout in a few years, but until then I need to be able to run it on this.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
I have seen the Lionel J in person and photos of the MTH one. Mine is far more detailed. I don't plan on selling it. If I get it upgraded, there will be no need to sell it. Almost all of the details are right and the only one that aren't are due to modern changes to the locomotive which nobody has done correctly (extended coal bunker, roller bearings on the tender, etc). If I put PS3 in it, it will have sounds from the real 611. The wheels are $220 for both the engine and tender and PS3,...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Hudson J1e ·
I wish you good luck with your project. I'm just curious about something. I re-read your first post. If I understand you correctly you are going to put Lionel drivers into the Sunset chassis? How did you figure out that they will fit and operate properly? I'm surprised Lionel has extra drivers to sell. At least once you get it all done you can sell the factory 2 rail drivers and get some of your money back.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
The Lionel drivers come with a chassis so if they don't fit directly into the Sunset one I will just use the Lionel version. Lionel sells extra parts for all of their locomotives. Some of them have to be ordered through dealers, but they always have extras in case you damage your model. I doubt they would want them back, but I saw a Sunset J Class chassis for sale on eBay a while back and it went for a couple hundred dollars.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

2railguy ·
I know its your locomotive and your free to do as you wish. But just why? I cant grasp why ruin a 2 rail loco when there are plenty of 3 rail versions available. The amount of money your spending to do this, why not pick up a 3 rail version, call precision scale and get a box of detail parts for say 100 or so and redetail it???
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
I already have this, if I sold it I probably wouldn't get as much as I paid for it, and even if I get the details to add on, brass steamers just look so much better than die cast. Corners are crisper, details are finer. On die cast steamers, things that should be thin like the cab sides and the coal bunker on the tender scale to be 2 or 3 inches thick. Plus, this makes a project for me and it will be a locomotive to be proud of for the rest of my life. Anyone can buy a Lionel locomotive and...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

prrhorseshoecurve ·
Wiil. Norton and others are correct. You will have issues with the wheel widths and clearing the siderods and the valve gears. Since you are using fastrak, the 3 rail flanges and wheel widths are a must to run smooth.over switches and other specialty track sections. Also note not all the super detailing on a two rsil loco could be saved due to flange clearances for 3rail. By the time you convert the 2rail to a 3grail. You would have a hack job, spend at least twice the amount of $$ for a new...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

bob2 ·
Again, I do not think cutting up the earlier Sunset will be a great loss to posterity. Have at it. Make sure you are getting all As and Bs in college while you are cutting.
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Ron H ·
Originally Posted by Will Ebbert: Originally Posted by Ron H: I've done the type of swap 2rail to 3 rail you want to do. The first thing you need to do is connect a DC transformer to your rails and see if the loco will navigate your 3 rail track. If it does, the conversion is relatively straight forward using TMCC from ERR. That being said, you are miles ahead if you convert it to battery powered RC with sound. That is what I'm doing now. It is a much better solution. Even though the 3 rail...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

RoyBoy ·
Hare's an MTH protosounds Premier loco http://www.ebay.com/itm/MTH-PR...;hash=item2a53da36dc http://www.ebay.com/itm/O-SCAL...;hash=item58c7b80907
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Ron H ·
I've done the type of swap 2rail to 3 rail you want to do. The first thing you need to do is connect a DC transformer to your rails and see if the loco will navigate your 3 rail track. If it does, the conversion is relatively straight forward using TMCC from ERR. That being said, you are miles ahead if you convert it to battery powered RC with sound. That is what I'm doing now. It is a much better solution. Even though the 3 rail conversion is straight forward it is difficult to execute with...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

Will Ebbert ·
Originally Posted by Ron H: I've done the type of swap 2rail to 3 rail you want to do. The first thing you need to do is connect a DC transformer to your rails and see if the loco will navigate your 3 rail track. If it does, the conversion is relatively straight forward using TMCC from ERR. That being said, you are miles ahead if you convert it to battery powered RC with sound. That is what I'm doing now. It is a much better solution. Even though the 3 rail conversion is straight forward it...
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Re: 3 Rail Conversion of Sunset Brass

colorado hirailer ·
While I would love to convert certain powered 2 rail models to three rail, they would all be models for which no three rail versions exist. (there are a lot of those) I would not go through the hassle of cutting up something, if I could find a model of it, and the chassis was close. If detail is not good, I would tackle adding that to it, and not have all the potential problems cited above. It sounds easier just to build up a brass detailed shell for an existing three rail chassis.
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Re: Wanted: MTH Premier or Sunset Big Boy

Schumann ·
Mark S The Big Boy 3rd rail model at Milepost 38 is I believe $800.00 or so.
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Re: Wanted: MTH Premier or Sunset Big Boy

mjsachnoff ·
Nick, Thanks for your offer, but I'm looking for one in the $800 range. That's all santa will allow this year! Marc S
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