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IT's TEAM TRACK TUESDAY!!!! 11/21/17 edition. SHARE YOUR TEAM TRACK PHOTOS HERE!!

trumptrain ·
IT' TEAM TRACK TUESDAY!! Share your team track photos here!! Team tracks are a vital part of day to day railroad operations. Practically every type of freight car can be on/off loaded on a team track. MOW equipment and some passenger train head end equipment can also be on/off loaded on team tracks. The purpose of this thread is to inspire one another with photos of team track operations both prototypical and in miniature on our layouts. Changing team track scenes frequently also helps keep...
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Lionel Station Sounds 21" Dome Car

Will Ebbert ·
I recently ordered the new R&N sound equipped dome car and was wondering if anyone has heard the sounds going in either it or the Conrail version which should be stateside shortly. Didn't see any other discussions on these cars so also curious to hear people's thoughts on them.
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IT's TEAM TRACK TUESDAY!!! August 21, 2018 Edition

trumptrain ·
IT's TEAM TRACK TUESDAY!!! Share your railroad's team track action pics here! Team tracks are a vital part of day to day real railroad operations. Team tracks are siding/spurs which are dedicated to serving several kinds of industries and businesses. The industries or businesses which team tracks serve do not have their own rail sidings because they may not be located near a railroad. For instance a small town newspaper ( pre late 20th century ) may get a weekly box car ( or a few ) , load...
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NEW Lionel Penn Central 21 Inch Passenger Cars

AmtrakNickFilms ·
Hi everyone! I recently received a Lionel Penn Central Stationsounds diner, works really well and flawless so far. If anyone has pictures of the penn central 2 packs and 4 packs please post them below! I also would like to hear what the quality control was like before I buy those cars. Thanks! -Nick
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Lionel CSX 21” office car set

Jeff gibs ·
Just got my CSX office cars and put them on the track. They look great behind the CSX F40PH. The problem I am having is that the couplers would keep coming unhooked and I thought it was a problem with the couplers until I noticed that the spring couplers t hat are to extend when going around curves do not always extend and that is what is binding the cars. I am running them on 072 curves. Not sure if all the cars are doing this yet but some of them do. Seems like it gets stuck in the center...
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Lionel Union Pacific 21” Passenger Cars

zhubl ·
Like a lot of people I als have had a couple of QC issues with the new passenger cars. The first was my station sounds car one truck was loose do to a warped e clip. I just put that e clip back on, we’ll see if it holds. I also have a few scuffs underneath the “Portland Rose” on that car. I’m not too terribly worried about that, it does kida suck it’s there but frankly sometimes it’s not all perfect. Although today while I was working on the station sound car I realized why my “Katy Flyer”...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rocky Mountaineer ·
That is a HUGE disappointment. I guess that'll be yet another customization project folks will need to tackle with these cars... perhaps the same time they add passengers to the interiors. I'm not sure what I'd do if it were me. Given that it's not just the "one" Vista dome car, but FOUR... I'd almost be inclined to return them to my dealer. I'm expecting my Texas Special set to arrive tomorrow (Tuesday), and I think that set is supposed to have just one Vista Dome... so it won't be AS big...
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N&W 1218 ·
The more I think about the dome lighting the more it grinds my gears. This is a special set, my Dad worked for the Wabash. I'm keeping it but I won't be buying the UP set to go behind the 8444. I'll be getting with cJack and he'll help me put lights where there are none!
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bob2 ·
If I were paying extra to ride in a dome and they kept the lights on I would be ****ed.
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bob2 ·
Peesed?
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Boilermaker1 ·
So in both of the pictures you posted of individual cars, the rear end of the dome isnt sitting flush on the roof... Forget the lights, whats up with that?
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Scratchbuilder1-48 ·
I think the domes are the wrong style
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Putnam Division ·
Very cool looking set! Peter
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Pat Kn ·
Beautiful set. The unlighted dome would bug me too. Enjoy them.
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Fred Brenek ·
You are absolutely correct. The Lionel domes are WRONG. Fred
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Jim S ·
Nice set! Enjoy your trains!
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J Daddy ·
What a beautiful set. Adding a few lights to the dome area should be easy. Bummer about the domes vs. prototype. Why not the Excursion UP cars? I just put my order in.
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nw2124 ·
WHAT A MESS! The Wabash was an all dome train and there is only one dome and incorrect at that! I believe Lionel just took those that ordered one. Time for Golden Gates to step up and show how it should be done. Why do modelers keep buying projects that are half *** done. Stephen
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J Daddy ·
Or Atlas? This car looks similar to the CZ end dome.
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Charlie ·
Off the top of my head, the three items that stand out as needing attention are the following: 1, Domes are incorrect, should be Budd type (rounded) vs, P-S (which the Bluebird did add later, but only one). Actually, maybe by mistake, the dome is a pretty good version of the P-S add on. 2, The observation car roof end is not correct. The end light should be raised and not recessed and the roof panels were very visible, not smooth like in the model. 3, Ride height seems even higher than other...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rusty Traque ·
4, The dome on the observation is in the wrong location. 5, It may be just me, but it looks like the domes also fit poorly. Rusty
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kennyb ·
Nice Set you have there!Do you think that maybe the Vista Domes from the old #2500 Series cars might be more Round?,like these other guys are talking about?To me,it would not matter,I would be proud to own the set as is.But I realize Lionel charges a lot of money for these cars,and you guys want them as close to the real thing as possible.Thanks for sharing!
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N&W 1218 ·
I had to snap them in place. They were sticking up on the ends. Photo was taken prior to snapping them down.
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mikey ·
Atlas seemed to be able to light the domes on the Zephyr cars,how much can it cost,plus wrong end on observation. Mikey
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TrainingDave ·
Things that would increase cost to these passenger cars: Lights in the domes Fully detailed interiors Specific domes for each road name So if those were all "fixed" and the prices were then increased, people would then gripe about the price even more than they already do. I would invite you guys to compare the prices of the 21" cars to the aluminum cars. To me, these are beautiful cars that are a great starting point for customization.
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Rusty Traque ·
As the dome itself is a separate piece, it costs just as much to do it right as it does to do it wrong. Imagine if these domes show up on the UP excursion set? Rusty
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Rapid Transit Holmes ·
The lack of bright dome lighting is prototypical. Though coach domes were generally not extra fare, the railroads had the good sense not to over-illuminate them. Having ridden the MILW, GN and CB&Q domes, it is my recollection that there was theater type floor lighting for the same reasons. Having just finished a project to modify a MTH Super Dome, I replicated that lighting effect by drilling holes in the floor of the dome, in the aisle adjacent to every other seat, to admit light from...
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aterry11 ·
All domes from ANY MANUFACTURER are a pain in the arse!!! No ... seriously though all domes are hard too manufacture!
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Rusty Traque ·
And yet Lionel cranked out a fairly decent representation of a Budd dome in the 1950's: Rusty
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BANDOB ·
One of the forum sponsors, I think Custom O Decals, has very nice short LED strips. I used them to great success to light my Lionel 15" short domes. Perhaps they would work here as well.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

JohnB ·
On the subject of lights being in the domes I would wonder are domes really lite in real life? Is not the purpose of the dome to let passengers look out? That would be difficult if the domes were lite especially at night. I have never ridden in a passenger car with a dome so I don't know. If anybody has please let me know. I do remember returning home on the 765 excursion out of Allentown, it was well past sunset when we arrived back in Allentown and I did notice there were no lights on in...
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TrainingDave ·
It is a correct Budd dome. So with that dome correctly tooled, Lionel would have to make another tool for the other domes used on all the other road names. Seems like a minor thing to me if it means these can be had at a smaller price. Also, JohnB is right. Not many domes were brightly lit, if lit at all. Would defeat the purpose. But this thread seems more about torches and pitchforks than anything else.
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J Daddy ·
Yes, the domes had very little light, remember at night that there were dim lit floor lights to make your way around. Nothing like sitting up there when your a kid at night and watching the stars...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rusty Traque ·
Nope, Lionel's dome is not even correct to represent the dome pictured, which is an ex-D&RGW car. The Rio Grande car has curved glass on the lower windows and Lionel's has flat glass. Also notice the D&RGW's dome windows are angled forward slightly. Lionel's dome is closest to the Burlington's "Silver Dome," which rebuilt from a coach and was the pattern for all following Budd domes. The only reason it has flat glass was curved glass wasn't available due to wartime restrictions. But...
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breezinup ·
The real Texas Special didn't have any dome cars, so for running at night it's probably better that it's dark! At other times, maybe you should run it without the dome!
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breezinup ·
Boy, I'll say. And how many people are ever going to notice this stuff? Personally, overall it looks like a beautiful set.
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RonH ·
What can I say, real nice set. Looks like your having fun. The domes do look different than the real picture, but they still look good. Suggestion for the Vista dome lighting: Maybe make a walkway on the floor/isle type lighting in the vista dome along the seats, maybe by drilling very small holes (1/64 or smaller) thru to allow the light from below to shine up. Does anyone know what is being used in the Vista dome? You need people sitting in the cars. 50pcs Model Seated People Sitting...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Boilermaker1 ·
Atlas used a pair of chip LEDs on the top side of the light board to illuminate the dome. Its not a whole lot of light, but just enough to reflect off the windows and make it seem lit. Cant imagine it cost more than what it costs to buy 2 LEDs, but that would require making 2 boards.... one for domes and one for everything else. Drilling holes in the floor of the dome would work, provided that you didnt drill them directly above the circuit board for the lights downstairs. I also bet the...
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kanawha ·
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Rusty Traque ·
I figured there was more history to the Rio Grande domes, but I didn't have access to my books at the time. Thanks, Ken. Rusty
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J Daddy ·
Is there a way to drop the body down lower over the trucks... the " high water flood " look is really bothersome.
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bob2 ·
So far, four different posters have suggested that domes were not lit up on real trains, and one of them actually rode a dome at night. Do you guys still think that Lionel made a major mistake? If you are trying to look out the window at night, interior lighting completely destroys the view. On the other hand, folks outside can see what you are doing with your girlfriend.
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GREENRAIL ·
So here we are in the " Hi-Rail, O27 and Traditional 3-Rail O Gauge " - forum and everyone is getting their undies in a bundle about everything being prototypically correct. I think the set looks awful darn nice. Would look great on any layout. Enjoy that beautiful set!
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SURFLINER ·
OMG could you be a "dirty ole man?
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
Bob, Nobody is looking for the dome to be lit up like a Christmas tree. Instead, having a pleasant subtle glow to the dome would have created an awesome effect rather than pure darkness. That's all we're saying. Undoubtedly, it's likely a cost-cutting move... just like the packaging of these cars. They no longer come in their own individual product boxes. Lionel has dispensed with the individual product box with interior foam liners. See my "first look" thread on the Texas Special 21" cars.
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TrainingDave ·
Not without significant changes to the truck bolsters. The stamped sheet metal bolster would have to be lowered and then the top of the third rail pickup would have to be insulated to keep it from shorting to the sheet metal frame of the car.
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N&W 1218 ·
I really like the packaging change. The 4 Pack has Windows on both sides of the box. It took just a few minutes to get all of the cars out if the box and on the tracks. I don't need an individual box for each car. The injection molded snap top plastic cradles are perfect. Way better than all that styrofoam. Dome lighting or not, as many people have said, I'm very Happy with these cars. They look great traveling around my layout. Thanks Lionel for making the Bluebird a part of my collection!
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J Daddy ·
That is a real bummer. I like the cars but they look like they are way too high off of the trucks.
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EscapeRocks ·
beautiful set, and I love your classic tubular track!!!
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Mikado ·
Ever notice how hard it is to see outside when in your house at night, with the lights on? Turn the lights off and you can suddenly see outside! Amazing how that works. Now, if we installed a lighting PCB in the vista dome it would have required screws to mount it to the roof of the vista. This would have made it visible from the side PLUS there would be wires running down to the car body (we haven't quite perfected wireless power yet, but its likely on the same container with Fastrack...
 
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