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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rocky Mountaineer ·
Passengers? Complaining? My set didn't come with any passengers, so I don't think we'll be hearing anybody complaining up there in those domes. Subtle floor lighting might have been a real cool effect. Perhaps for V2.0 David
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

bob2 ·
This is a tough crowd!
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rocky Mountaineer ·
Almost bought the Wabash set at the Allentown show today. Pete Costa had a 6-car set on display in boxes. Catl'g pics do NOT do these cars justice! Very smart-looking appearance for this set. Would have been quite the impulse buy, but then I'd need to find some motive power for it too. One thing always leads to another. So i excercised a little self control. Perhaps another day. David
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

c.sam ·
Personally, I would much prefer lighted domes primarily to spark memories of those magical and beautiful silver Lionel (and Flyer) passenger cars when we were kids. Great memories too! Would seem there have been several excellent suggestions for modifications when you are adding the much-needed passengers. Perhaps drilling the holes and maybe covering them with translucent tape would be the easiest and best? That would add the light from the floor and appear the most prototypical...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

NSBill ·
I'm asking this for a friend. How were these cars packed? Did the boxes come with bags? Were the 2 packs packed two to a box? Any info would be appreciated. Thank you. Bill
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
Bill, unless you're looking for something specific to the Wabash 21" set, take a look at my "first look" Texas Special thread from last week. There are pics of the packaging there. My Texas Special set came from Charlie Ro with an outer shipping carton that was created from the 4-pack's shipper, then extended a bit to hold the 2-pack product carton as well. So everything arrived in one outer box, if you follow what I'm describing. And I'm sure Charlie's crack shipping staff used the 2-pack's...
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NSBill ·
Thank you for that info David. Were the boxes themselves in plastic bags. The friend I'm asking for is a bit of a stickler about the packaging. He thinks that Pete probably gave him the set you mentioned in a previous post, and it's missing the outer bags and shipping carton for the 2 pack and so now he's all worked up over it. Bill
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rocky Mountaineer ·
Bill, i do not recall the 4-pack or the 2-pack product boxes coming in bags. If your friend is thinking back to the days when these sets came in a product box surrounded by a clear plastic bag with a piece of tape labeled "factory sealed", those days appear to be history. All the importers are cutting corners everywhere they can. Last year, I purchased two "premium sets": Lionel's N&W Pocahontas passenger set, and an MTH CSX freight set with loco and Gunderson cars. Neither set came...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

NSBill ·
David thank you for replying back. He's always giving me a good laugh about how anal he can be with this stuff! Bill
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Chuck K. ·
I'll just reiterate what seems to have been said. The domes are definitely wrong for these cars. (I rode this train many times, by the way.) They are styled after Pullman Standard and not the Budd curved glass design. The glass at the ends of the dome is also done differently between those two prototype manufacturers. (Yes, one Pullman Standard dome was added later with smooth sides because they couldn't get another Budd built one fast enough.) If the car has fluting, it should have the...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rocky Mountaineer ·
As many here should know by now, I'll be the first to take Lionel to task for their pricing structure. But for the most part, the prices of their passenger cars remain "reasonable". Now we can argue that ABS cars should be considerably lower than their aluminum predecessors. But we're also paying for the new tooling, so the price-points of ABS are essentially picking up a shade below where prices of aluminum cars left off. Over in my Texas Special "first look" thread, I calculated roughly...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Chuck K. ·
I contacted Lionel's customer service mainly about the incorrect domes and got the sort of reply I expected: "We apologize this is not as expected. We did check and this is how they are manufactured. We are not remaking the roof or shell to correct this difference." The person answering did not even understand the product well enough to realize that the dome is a separate part not requiring a new "roof" or "shell". Interestingly, the K-Line California Zephyr cars did the iconic Budd dome...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

GREENRAIL ·
Gosh folks, last I looked this topic is posted in "Hi-Rail, O27 and Traditional 3-Rail O Gauge" forum, not in any of the Scale forums. I still think its a darn good looking set. Of course, I am more into operating fun than minute details of any of these trains. I am one of the outliers who isn't into all the minutiae some are. Perhaps that discussion would be better left to the Scale Forums. As long as the set is being enjoyed by the originator of this topic, then so be it. I for one would...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

MrMuffin'sTrains ·
I still have extra stock of all four offered road names in both the 4 car and 2 car sets, plus the Empire State add on 2 cars sets.... On sale on our website. For that matter, I still have extra Hudson's and the Hudson passenger sets. Thanks.......
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Chuck K. ·
Regarding dome lighting, these were a daylight domeliner Chicago to St. Louis. So don't worry about dome lighting and just make sure your room lighting is always on nice and bright to be prototypical. Chuck K.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

rboatertoo ·
I have the 4 pack and 2 pack of the Wabash cars. I purchased the Lionel e8 a while ago. When, I put them together I notice that the blue color of the cars is not the same as the blue color of the engines.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rocky Mountaineer ·
That's a big disappointment! I wonder if folks who own the Legacy FM Trainmaster locomotive or F3 ABBA's (I think Lionel did F3's recently, yes?) will fare any better. I only saw the passenger set briefly at the Allentown train show last weekend, and the cars had a very striking appearance to them. I consider myself very, very lucky that the new Texas Special passenger cars match the SD70ACe locomotives that Lionel produced almost 5 years ago. David
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J Daddy ·
YOU HAVE TO BE Kidding me?!
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Hot Water ·
Doesn't surprise me as the locomotive models are probably manufactured in a completely different location/factory than the passenger cars.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

bob2 ·
Interestingly, the K-Line California Zephyr cars did the iconic Budd dome rather well. Interesting indeed. I had the K-Line NP dome car here for a while, and found the dome undersize and toylike. I use brass parts and make my own domes. And while I too am dazzled by the realism demanded of toy train hobbyists, I am grateful for it, since I can now purchase almost anything i want in 3-rail and convert it to run on more or less realistic track easily. Keep demanding scale models for your...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

T4TT ·
This statement in Chuck K's post is incorrect It's ironic that Lionel now has all the K-Line assets, but couldn't get the Blue Bird's dome right. Lionel does not have any of the old K-Line tooling.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

BobbyD ·
There had to be some lighting, no one could walk up there and head down the stairs in a rocking, moving train without some lights. Seems all they wanted was a soft glow.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Charlie ·
There was lighting up in the dome. What today would be called “task” lighting, for each row in a downward facing position. Probably (hopefully) very dim. What I don’t know is if there was floor or stair lighting. My guess would be yes, but I don’t know for sure. The lighting does not bother me, the shape of the domes, that would bother me more. I should also add, the color is pretty close and the detail is very nice. Once populated with people, the domes will make a nice focal point.
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NSBill ·
I thought that Lionel didn't have any of it. Bill
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Chuck K. ·
I'll stand corrected about whether Lionel kept K-Line tooling. However, I will also say that Lionel didn't seem to inherit K-Line's acumen in building a reasonably accurate passenger car. Chuck K.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

NSBill ·
You're absolutely right about that! It's a crime that the old K-line tooling is still sitting unused. Bill
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Bob Delbridge ·
Answer to dome lighting is...glow in the dark luminous paint
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Hot Water ·
How do you know that the K-Line tooling, especially for passenger cars, is "still sitting unused"?
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NSBill ·
I was referring to scale passenger car tooling there. Last I heard Sanda Kan had it, and had no intentions of releasing it. So are you suggesting somebody is using the scale passenger car tooling? If so, who? Bill
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Jtrain ·
Wow, these are really poorly done, given that they are supposed to be scale, and thus prototypical. Only the paint job looks something like Wabash. I pre-ordered, trusting Lionel to get them right, but I am returning them. Lesson learned. I am pretty tolerant of errors and generic variations grom the prototype, but this is ridiculous. I will wait for GGD to do them right. Why couldn't Lionel just copy the K-line domes? Those were much closer to the correct Budd dome. I guess we know now,...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rapid Transit Holmes ·
There is a common thread running through most of the comments in this thread. It would appear that Lionel doesn't care enough to get some of the most basic stuff right and then stiff-arms us when, having pre-ordered the pig-in-a-poke, we're stuck with serious defects in both design and execution. How can they get so many things right and then mess up on something as basic as the shape of the dome in an all dome train? It's not as though they haven't made a Budd dome before... Having been...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Jtrain ·
I predict that we will see a lot of these cars on the secondary market in the near future, where they will sell for about $50/car (or less). They might be good for a repaint to something more correct, if the price is low enough.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Chuck K. ·
I just returned a 4-car and 2-car set and cancelled a still pending order for the diner. It's just too wrong with the domes. I'll sell the E8 units I had previously purchased - oh well. I could probably have tolerated most of the other faults in these cars (although somebody at Lionel should be embarrassed - but I suspect they aren't - and perhaps that's part of the problem). In the "Lionel 2015 Signature Edition" catalog, page 3, "Of course you'll want some new scale rolling stock to run...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Jtrain ·
Yes, I agree. I returned the cars and got rid of the E8 AA too. Too wrong to spend so much money on, or any money on, really. 3rd Rail is doing the E8, and you only need one A unit to be correct. I will wait for GGD to do the cars.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rusty Traque ·
I suspect not. For every one person dissatisfied with the cars, there are probably ten that don't mind the inconsistencies and will keep them for their visual appeal. Rusty
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hclarke ·
Even if not exactly prototypical, these cars are really good looking! And, very smooth runners! I collect any and all Wabash and am very happy to have these.
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
Gotta agree with Rusty Traque on this one. $40-$50/car is more typical of the 15" aluminum passenger cars with passenger silhouettes instead of detailed interiors. It'll be quite some time before we see cars like the Lionel 21-inchers down that low from their current $110-$125 price-point. Having had my Texas Special cars on display for more than a week now, I can make the following observation: For what I was looking to accomplish, they are nice. Very nice, in fact. Enough so that I will be...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Jtrain ·
You forgot the K-line 21" cars (if you can find them), which are aluminum, and quite a bit more accurate than the Lionel cars, at about the same price range. They can still be found, if you look long enough. K-line made some of the road-specific details, not all, but some of them, including the primary distinctive ones, while keeping the price down. Plus they are aluminum, a big plus. Lionel seemed to want to make these cars as cheaply as possible, with virtually no effort to make them...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

rboatertoo ·
I did take the car apart and there is openings in the ceiling to allow light in the dome. The problem is that the there are to few light in the car, to illuminate the dome. When I run the cars, I can't tell if the lights are on, unless I shut off the lights in the room. It looks like there are a total of 3 light for the whole car. After waiting for a year for the cars, I'll keep them, but I cancelled my per orders for other road names and would be per ordering the Union Pacific like I...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Charlie ·
Hey Jim: While I agree with most of what you wrote, the one item i question is the Kinematic couplers. You called them "slingshot". I think they are a great addition to the scale size cars, but I have to admit, I have only seen them on others cars, not my own. What is the issue you have with them? Charlie
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Re: New Video! Lionel Legacy NKP 765 Coal Train

redball342 ·
Nice, give use more video's, please!
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Re: New Video! Lionel Legacy NKP 765 Coal Train

TrainWizard5972 ·
Thanks! There will be more soon. You will see 765 haul a TOFC train, reefer train, and passenger train in the future.
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Re: NEW Lionel Penn Central 21 Inch Passenger Cars

NVisich ·
I received the 2 pack and 4 pack from Charles Ro the other day. I inspected each car and didn't see any issues. I really like the set. I've attached various photos of each car. The baggage car is 18" as cataloged.
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Re: NEW Lionel Penn Central 21 Inch Passenger Cars

AmtrakNickFilms ·
Those cars look great! I really like how Lionel mixed the colors for all of them. Do you have some pictures of the cars from the 2 pack?
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Re: Lionel CSX 21” office car set

Engineer-Joe ·
add some light oil?
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Re: NEW Lionel Penn Central 21 Inch Passenger Cars

773Hudson ·
Attached is a short video of the cars in action. The pin was out of one coupler out of the box, no other quality issues.
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Hudson J1e ·
That’s an extremely realistic looking train. What I mean is according to what I have seen on videos taken in that era many passenger trains looked like that with different colored cars in the consist. Very nice set. Thanks for the video.
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Re: Lionel CSX 21” office car set

Jeff gibs ·
Found the problem. Some of the cars have diaphragms on the ends and some don’t. Not sure of the reason. I had 2 cars with the diaphragms together and they were binding together. Separated the diaphragms and all seems good. One car the coupler opens up but I put it on the end. So far so good
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Re: Lionel CSX 21” office car set

Big Jim ·
I think that you will find that they ALL have a type of diaphragm on each end. From the photos that I have seen, three different types have been applied to the cars. Some cars coming with a different type on either end. But, there is a diaphragm on there. A photo would be of immense help.
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Re: NEW Lionel Penn Central 21 Inch Passenger Cars

NVisich ·
Here's photos of the PC 2-Pack. No issues with these either.
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