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Lionel 990 command set problem

Sid's Trains ·
So I have had this Lionel 990 command set for a few years now. It was originally a slightly used set off of eBay and for the entire time I have had it, it has worked flawlessly. Now I come into my train room one day and turn on the power and all the engines don't respond. The remote doesn't connect and the engines just sit due to the older trainmaster base being plugged in. I let the remote scan and that didn't work. I reset the remote and that didn't work. I then tried changing the channels...
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9 Pin Connector on Legacy Cab-1 Base

Jack Swan5010 ·
I have finally gotten the hang of using the Cab-1L system with my trains. I noticed the Cab-1L Base has a 9 pin computer port on it. I know on the Legacy #990 Base there is this same connector that is used to update the system. Does the Cab-1L base's 9 pin connector serve the same purpose? If someone could help me with this I would be very appreciative.
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What paint color for the base?

C&Osteam ·
I’m nearing a finished layout table surface. What color paint do you folks recommend for the base ? My scenery will include a small downtown, passenger station, army depot, and Pennsylvania rocky mountain cut-thru. I will eventually ballast the Ross Custom track. Thanks for any ideas.
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Train cars

TrainFam ·
Hi everyone, trainfam here for Christmas I received a Lionel mfg era 38 engine painted in black, with red window trim and red trim on the base of the shell. Here’s a photo: The reason I’m posting is because I’m going to search for the cars to make it a set again. Again it’s a mfg era 38, my guess is it was made from 1916 to 1917 I am not sure if it came with freight or passenger cars ether, so any help would be appreciated. Thanks, trainfam
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Re: Legacy controller problem - help needed

gunrunnerjohn ·
Turn the PGM/RUN switch on the engine to RUN, the symptoms you list suggest it's switched to PGM mode.
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Re: Legacy controller problem - help needed

TK301 ·
Thanks for the suggestion Gunrunner. You solved my problem, albeit indirectly... The engine was already in RUN mode, and changing the mode didn't help either (I had to try). But since I had opened up the engine to clean it, I decided to check if the PGM/RUN switch had failed. The switch was working fine (tested by desoldering the leads), but I noticed that the two wires going to the switch were shorted even when disconnected from the switch. I traced the leads back to a 6-pin jack (see first...
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Re: Legacy controller problem - help needed

TK301 ·
To summarize in the event anyone else runs into this problem, it was not the PGM/RUN switch on the bottom of the engine, but rather the GND/3RD RAIL switch inside the engine.
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Re: Legacy controller problem - help needed

gunrunnerjohn ·
That switch, FWIW, is just paralleled with RUN/PGM switch, which also just grounds the PGM/RUN pin on the R2LC. I always wondered why they put a duplicate inside the engine, I guess it's to screw folks up if they bump it. I saw that in an older steamer motherboard a while back, it's a head-scratcher. I suppose it could be so you can work on it, but that seems a little far fetched. The chuff should come from the chuff switch on the axle cam, so that may be a casualty of opening it as well. If...
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Re: Legacy controller problem - help needed

TK301 ·
Fascinating. Perhaps it is left over from early factory-set days before programming was done from the controller? Regarding the chuff, for some reason, the tender was set to Signal instead of Rail. Switched to Rail, now all works fine. Thanks again Gunrunner!
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Re: Legacy controller problem - help needed

gunrunnerjohn ·
We love a happy ending.
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Re: Help ... TMCC Command Base Unresponsive

chessie1971 ·
Your power cord to the command base maybe bad!!
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Re: Help ... TMCC Command Base Unresponsive

brwebster ·
Maybe the base power supply ( wall wort ) has died/ is dead. Test by connecting the base to another 12V one that is known to be good. Bruce
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Re: Help ... TMCC Command Base Unresponsive

Tom Blevins ·
Why lose sleep over it, upgrade to Legacy.
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Re: Help ... TMCC Command Base Unresponsive

ADCX Rob ·
Get out a VOM and check the power supply for output. If you need to replace it, remember you must use the original, 3 pronged grounded wall-wart to power the TMCC base. A substitute won't work. And it must be itself plugged into a grounded outlet.
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Re: Help ... TMCC Command Base Unresponsive

gunrunnerjohn ·
Like Rob says, it's a special 12V AC power supply with an internal connection to the barrel of the secondary to the 3rd prong of the outlet.
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Re: Help ... TMCC Command Base Unresponsive

JohnGaltLine ·
First, yes, use an AC volt meter to test the power supply. If that is faulty you'll have to find a replacement. Perhaps the other folks can confirm this, but I believe the only thing special about the TMCC power supply is that the neutral and ground prongs are connected internally. You could build a patch cord that would do the same job if you can't find an original power pack replacement. Also have to see if the pin 5 connection is the same on a TMCC base as it is on Legacy, as you could...
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Re: Help ... TMCC Command Base Unresponsive

chessie1971 ·
Here is replacement wall power to the base. Lionel price 20.00 still in stock.
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Re: Help ... TMCC Command Base Unresponsive

trumptrain ·
Thanks so much chessie1971!!! I just ordered this off Lionel's website because my unit IS dead as it turns out. Never thought to go the Lionel site because I knew Lionel stopped making TMCC command bases and remotes. Thanks again. If this wall power to base replacement does the trick ( and I very well think it will ) You may have saved my face because I'm having an open house soon and I've told everyone they can have a turn with the Cab 1 remotes running trains. I'd hate to disappoint them...
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Re: Help ... TMCC Command Base Unresponsive

trumptrain ·
Thanks to all who have replied to my SOS ... ADCX ROB, BRWEBSTER, Gunrunnerjohn, Chessie1971, JOHNGALTINE, Nick and Tom. I was able to determine the failure as being the walwart thanks to your help. Nick and Tom - I'd upgrade to Legacy, however, the cost of the Legacy system verses $20.OO is a major consideration for a guy who's on a brakeman's budget plus I don't own any Legacy engines.
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Re: Help ... TMCC Command Base Unresponsive

chessie1971 ·
Your welcome Pat!
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

C W Burfle ·
IMHO, tempered hardboard would be unsuitable because it has too much flex. Also, it would not hold screws well. I would go with plywood. What are the dimensions of the layout you are building? Do you plan to frame the underside of the layout? Is weight a consideration (does it have to be portable)? Typically solid top train layouts require framing.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Khayden93 ·
Originally Posted by C W Burfle: IMHO, tempered hardboard would be unsuitable because it has too much flex. Also, it would not hold screws well. I would go with plywood. What are you are building? Do you plan to frame the underside of the layout? Is weight a consideration (does it have to be portable)? Typically solid top train layouts require framing. *The dimensions of the layout will be 42inches by 42inches I would prefer it to be portable.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Norton ·
Look for Baltic Birch multi layer plywood. It will be much stronger than standard plywood due to more but thinner layers in equal thicknesses. Like CW points out if you go too thin it will have too much flex. If you find Baltic Birch test it for rigidity. Tempered hardboard is difficult to work with. Save it for structures like bridges. Pete
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Mill City ·
Definitely plywood. A piece of 1/2" ply the size you specified should weigh about 20lbs, depending upon species.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

wild mary ·
Originally Posted by Khayden93: Originally Posted by C W Burfle: . *The dimensions of the layout will be 42inches by 42inches I would prefer it to be portable. I'd just use a piece of 1 1/2" foam board. It's rigid, light weight and sound absorbing. Frame it with 1" X 4" oak.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

j white ·
On my modules (for the club layout) I used 3/8" plywood over a 1 x 4 frame. They are pretty lightweight (I regularly carry one with each hand) and haven't warped or flexed much in the three years I've had them. They spend about 350 days a year in an unheated garage, so I think that's pretty good. For a 42" wide area, I would add one center brace, so the longest span of plywood would only be 20ish inches. Before assembly, I would paint all the surfaces of the plywood (top, bottom, even the...
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

C W Burfle ·
Assembling the table with glue and screws will increase the strength considerably.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Serenska ·
The thread asks: Whats the best Plywood to use for a base of a layout? I reply: Whatever plywood is on sale when you go to buy it... SJS
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Former Member ·
He updated the question from the original post. We always use 3/4", 5 ply or 7 ply. If you buy the cheapest stuff it will warp. Its the foundation of your layout, so get some good stuff.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Bobby Ogage ·
The cheapest 3/8" thick plywood you can get.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Former Member ·
And buy the cheapest tires you can find for your car before making that road trip! Oh boy
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

redjimmy1955 ·
norton gave the answer that is the most informative and educational. A Baltic Birch plywood of several layers is the best...not osb which has to be able to swell and contract more than plywood - that's why it is good for wall and roof sheathing. Read is used by what several custom O gauge engine turntable makers use.......it's either a many ply plywood ( 7 or 9 or more)...some flat out say baltic birch. 1/2 cdx plywood would be a good economical choice.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

GG-1fan ·
3/4" plywood is best and won't warp. I've used 1/2" that warped. For me, the next time I make another platform, I am going to use drywall with 1/2" plywood on top. This may cut down on warping and will provide better mass for less vibration and noise.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Salvagni ·
I am curious why does everyone use such thick plywood and or framing for their bench work. it seems to me that there isn't really much weight with a layout and just seems to me like its overkill just my 2 pennies
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Former Member ·
Even if you don't have to stand, sit, crawl, or walk on your layout, thin cheap plywood will warp. You don't won't your smooth track work to become uneven with dips and slopes, because it will cause derailments. It may not happen right away, but it will happen eventually. Build it strong, and heavy duty the first time, and you won't have to ever worry about it later. Really not that much weight? There's a lot more weight than you might think, especially when you start adding scenery.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Bobby Ogage ·
Good bench substructure design enables the use of thin plywood. My layout has 180 square feet of inexpensive 3/8" thick plywood, and since it was built in 2008 it has not warped. The substructure is 3' x 6' bench modules made of 1"x4" pine with 1"x4" supports across the 3' width 24" on center. The legs are 2"x3" fir and braced. The modules are clamped together, not bolted. The plywood has a covering of 3/8" thick foam with a ground cover of sawdust put down in a liquid mixture of white glue...
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Former Member ·
If you're starting from scratch, why take a chance? Spend a few extra bucks now.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Scott T Johnson ·
Originally Posted by Laidoffsick: He updated the question from the original post. We always use 3/4", 5 ply or 7 ply. If you buy the cheapest stuff it will warp. Its the foundation of your layout, so get some good stuff. Yup. 3/4 inch maple laminate. $45 for a 5x7 at Lowe's. Expensive, yes but . . . At most it's less than 1% of my hobby investment. Sits flat on the bench work under it's own weight. Quality surface paints beautifully. Easily takes staples for cork roadbed. Excellent sound...
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Bob Delbridge ·
I've used both 3/4" and 3/8" in the past, I only use 3/8" now. I use 1x4 pine to build the underframe with boards 2 feet apart, whatever warpage you get in a 2 foot area is going to be minimal. 3/4" plywood is heavy and expensive and not necessary unless you're not going to support it underneath. Most of my layout is 2 feet wide and I have crawled on it without any problems (I weighed 204 lbs last time I checked). Like others, I buy the cheapest 3/8" plywood I can get, even if it's already...
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Moonman ·
I am in the 1/2" (nominal 3/8" or 7/16") camp. 5 ply or 7 ply. Sanded 1 side. Humping 3/4" around just isn't for me.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Dewey Trogdon ·
If using 16" on center grid joists I always used inexpensive plain 1/2" CD sheathing plywood with the best side up. The best side usually has plugs and knot fillers in it. Over the years I have always had either Homasote, Ouietbrace or various thickness of extruded foam covering the plywood---more recently foam as shown in my little attic senior citizen layout[2010 photo].
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Wrawroacx ·
I know people mention they use plywood, which is great, but OSB is just as good as Plywood in my opinion. Tom Jr.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Dewey Trogdon ·
No argument on OSB characteristics for a layout top but it is a bear to carry up 16 steps--very heavy stuff .
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

C W Burfle ·
After seeing the large train layout my buddy build with OSB, I built one of my layouts with OSB. I cannot put my finger on the exact reason, but I did not like working with the OSB, and went back to plywood for my next layout. IMHO, 1/2 B/C plywood is fine so long as you pick good pieces, and frame it properly. I did another project with OSB a couple of years ago. I found the edges to be very splintery. Had to wear gloves to handle it.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Tom Tee ·
In my experience, for surface integrity it is not the thickness but the quality of the decking and the framing system. I have built modules and permanent layouts using 5.5 mm to 23/32" 13 ply and no problems in decades. Slow growth dense artic hardwood ply IMO is best. Stability is in the system. www.curvedbenchwork.net
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

William 1 ·
If you want the correct answer to your question, use 1/2" Fir underlayment plywood. Underlayment has no voids in the plys, which translates to being quieter. Using 3/4" birch or maple plywood is more than a tad overkill. If it is that small, maybe make a rigid base out of 1x3 and use homasote or foam. Put green landscape paper over it and a 1x4 wood border on it to stiffen it up and keep it square. Lighten your load. Good to go.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

Mike CT ·
I used an MDO (Medium Density Overlay) board. Exterior grade material used for signs.
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Re: Whats the best yet afordable Plywood to use for a base of a layout that will not cost a lot of money?

SIRT ·
Plywood? We don't use plywood anymore these days. Lauan and 1X3 ladder frames like the HO'ers use.
 
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