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Tank Car Sale

Imperial Train Company ·
All of our "in stock" MTH Tank Cars are listed at 50% off MSRP ! Take advantage while supplies last! Shop on-line or come into the store! Thanks!
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Do Lionel 60 (trolley), 50 (gang car), and 51 (navy yard) always run hot?

Ashcat ·
I have a Lionel 60, 50, and 51 that I am working on. They seem to run well, but after 2 or 3 minutes of running the metal cylinders where the bushings and bushing springs sit get so hot they almost burn my finger when I touch it. The other parts of the motor are not even warm to the touch. I can't imagine that this is normal, but with all three doing it, I am questioning it. If it is not normal ( as suspected) any ideas on what needs to be changed? I have already replaced the springs and...
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Union Pacific O-50-6 Oil Car Conversion

Sarah ·
Dear Friends, Finally I brought my first car project on the way. I wanted to do a UP O-50-6 tank car and since there is no kit or finished model out there, I decided to convert a Red Caboose 10.000 gal. ready to run car. Since overall dimensions seemd acceptable, I checked out some prototype photos only to find out that they're maybe not THAT similar. The Red Caboose car comes totally without rivets, also there is only one holding strap instead of two. The ladder is shorter and the...
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1939 Walthers Auto Car project

Sarah ·
How often do you see a car or locomotive out on ebay that looks just like what you need and want and is available for little money – and then you discover that it was cheap for a reason. I had such a buy recently where my desire was stronger than my criticism. The car was indeed in a bad shape with the decal film coming off, the body sat on its trucks in an oblique angle painted with tons of oils. But was a good buy anyway because I learned a lot. And I do now really appreciate the...
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Super Elevating Track

Evan Cihlar ·
Hello everyone, Lots of people have asked me how I super elevated my track for my model railroad, so here is how I did it: Laid track and talked it down 50% of the way lifted track up slightly put toothpicks underneath the ties (the further in they are, the higher the elevation, and vise versa) pushed the track down over the toothpick nailed the track in 100% of the way balasted the track This is an awesome and cheap way to add some special effects to your trackwork!
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Steamer ·
my 671 did something like that, the wire going to the pickup had a bare spot and was shorting on the frame.
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Popi ·
Ive had 2 issues with #50 gang cars not working and in both cases the culprit was lose wires where they attach to the frame with rivets. had to remove the wires and reattach them directly to the rivets with solder.
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dfk70 ·
What issues were you seeing that this fixed them?
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dfk70 ·
I checked the pickup wire and didn't see any bare spots but I wrapped the end of it in electrical tape to see if that helped. It didn't.
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dfk70 ·
This is driving me nuts. What gets me is that it runs great in my hand. I can make it change directions at will and it doesn't miss a beat while I'm holding it but the when I put it on the track, it goes haywire. It may make it to the end of the track and try to switch directions or it may just go a few inches and stop. I've tried using different pieces of track and it didn't seem to make any difference.
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Steamer ·
the wires get brittle, and the insulation cracks and breaks off. I'm still leaning towards that.could the pickup be touching the frame?
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ROGER1 ·
Make sure the insulator is present just above the collector assembly and that the collector plate is not touching the frame. Also, make sure the fiber washer is present under the screw and solder lug that holds down the grounding spring (as well as attaching to the collector(. Roger
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dfk70 ·
I don't think the pickup is touching the frame. If it was, it would short out immediately, wouldn't it? I may try to replace the pickup wire tomorrow, just for kicks.
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Steamer ·
I would think so. but since the car runs fine off the track, but doesn't on...there has to be something that changes when you put it on the track, and that leads me to look at the pickup. either a bad wire, or something about the pickup when it moves.
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dfk70 ·
The insulator is there. I even went so far as to put a piece of electrical tape under it to make sure the collector wasn't grounding out. The fiber washer is there as well.
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ROGER1 ·
Check on the insulator......sometimes they crack and the pickup assembly can move and touch the frame. If it's not, it's narrowing the possibilities. There's not a lot in there that can short.....solder lugs, wires and that shoulder washer. Roger
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RJR ·
If my memory serves me correctly, about 50 years ago I had a similar problem with mine after servicing it, and found I had erred in placing ball thrust bearings. My memory could be wrong; it's been awhile.
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Dan Padova ·
From what I've read so far in the posts, I am leaning toward the pick up rollers. You say when it's in your hand it runs without issue. But when you place it on the track the problem starts. The fact that the pick up roller is being pressed on by the third rail leads me to believe that it's causing a short. The short doesn't show up until the roller is depressed. have you tried pressing the roller in while it's running in your hand ?
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dfk70 ·
Thanks for the input guys. I'll get back to the car next week and post an update/more questions.
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Southwest Hiawatha ·
Agree.
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JTrains ·
Since this is a thread about #50s...one thing I’ve noticed on one I recently bought off Da Bay is the center rail collector on it gets hot – like really hot – after running for a few minutes. I’ve already replaced the roller on it (it was worn to the point of having a groove in it) and cleaned the connecting pin which seemed in good shape. Nothing else I run ever ends up with a hot pickup – but then again there’s nothing else I run with a single pickup pulling as much current as it does. Is...
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JTrains ·
So, I ended up solving my own problem. I shot some DeoxIT into the collector, gave it a couple of minutes, and then took it for a spin - problem solved, at least for now. My next though was going to be to apply some Bachmann EZ-Lube conductive lube to the collector - but it doesn't seem to be necessary. We'll see in the coming days. As a side note: the Bachmann lube freezes when exposed to the cold we're seeing here in the midwest. Not get sluggish - but actually forms a crystalline...
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riki ·
the windings can be grounding, the commutator slots plugged . worn armature shaft/bearings. easy to check with vom meter. edit. oil on, around commutator can short, makes a path for current to follow,
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ROGER1 ·
JT, Glad you found a solution. But there's something I'm not understanding. You said that it ran in your hand, but when you put in on the track the transformer shut down like there was a short on the track. I assumed you meant the breaker tripped. Or did it? It's starting to sound like the car just stopped (due to lack of continuity from the roller and not a short). Roger
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JTrains ·
I think I may have confused things, since I wasn't the OP. My problem with a #50 isn't the same one the OP has, which started the thread. My bad - but, at least my problem is solved! I'm now starting to use DioxIT a bit more frequently as it can be a miracle worker when something is giving connectivity grief...
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Re: Building and Evolution of an Action Packed Fifties Era Lionel 027 Operating & Switching Layout w/ Turntable

Choo Choo Charlie ·
Post 33 6/4/2017 List of Layout Installed Accessories Been awhile in getting back. Been busy patching up my junk 1950s Delta 24 inch jig saw and working on stereo systems, getting an old Dual 1225 turntable up and a 1955 Hallicrafters shortwave radio running. Scottie - No I did not install the Lionel trolley, I kept the HO trolley but had to replace the HO transformer. Tom - My installed accessories are: Scratch built Operating Turntable on page 1, Post 9 Coal Mine loading station, Scratch...
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MNCW ·
Charlie, I think I understand why you have no room to put the dispatching station on your layout...maybe you need an extension to the layout, your train room, house or all! Hope you continue posting when you can. Tom
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
Eli Thanks for the response. Yes old jig saws are very handy and fun to fix up. I have had an old 1950s 18 inch Craftsman jigsaw since the 1970s. You can see a picture of my Dads childhood pedal pedal powered #1 Amateur Velocipede Scroll Saw (used by my brother and me from age 7 or so through high school) on post 10 in page 1 of this thread. The 24 inch Delta jigsaw just begged me to take it home from a church sale in 2012. I saw it on the floor in poor shape with part of the bottom casting...
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EscapeRocks ·
I have no idea how I missed this topic last year up thru today. This is quite possibly my all time favorite on OGR in the 10+ years I've been here. This is my kind of layout. I love the classics. Thank you so much for sharing this with all of us, and detailing how you did everything. There are not enough superlatives for me to use to express how happy it made me to read this entire topic today! Nice work!
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Adriatic ·
What was that your playin' on the turntable Charlie?
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
David Thank you for the kind comments. I hope members who like the older 50s style layout and those just thinking or planning can get inspired to just start and go with what space, resources and skills they have and enjoy this hobby. My basic first board layout and four for $10 Lionel 242 locos, two Lionel LWs and 17 Marx 1590 switches and used 027 track cost less than one fancy new locomotive. So one can have a lot of fun building a layout and running it with your kids, grandkids or...
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
Post 35 6/22/2017 Unit trains on my Layout A unit train is a freight train carrying the same type of commodity, from origin to destination. ... The locomotives pulling the train will usually stay connected from origin to destination and return with empty cars. I was familiar with unit trains as Alcoa used them from my childhood company town, to transport alumina from the alumina refinery in Point Comfort, TX to the aluminum smelter in Rockdale, TX. We loaded and shipped 25-30, 100 ton...
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
Mitch Now that is great couple of lines of giraffe cars. I can run 5 giraffe cars and they get the attention with all that head and neck ducking. They are the most enjoyed train for visitors, large and small and I always have the giraffe train on the layout. I did not include giraffe cars in my post on Unit Trains as I have trouble calling giraffes a commodity ! I did use the giraffe cars as my favorite action car in a recent post. Charlie
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
Post 36 Train Shelves for the Train Room My train shelves are made in two sections each to allow moving thru doors. They also stand on the floor and are held to the wall by two 1" x 1" angles screwed into a wall stud. Construction is 1" x 4" straight pine lumber with grooves routed in for train wheels. It is usually less expensive to buy 1x4x 8 ft common pine boards at Home Depot and pick through them to find straight boards. Knots are not that important to me as they can be filled in and...
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MNCW ·
Charlie, Nice looking shelves. I like your extra touch of the router grooves. Good news...I see some extra space for more locos & cars! Tom
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Adriatic ·
When you post, I get the same rush of excitement I'd get when a new issue of one these brought; especially when I was a boy; I'd stalk the pharmacy shelves for them before they vanished. Your builds are like time refined creations out of a "best of" issue. You keep pumping out gold Charlie, I'll keep taking on fluids for my excess drool. No train covers handy, these all contain kit car info for ones I ended up choosing to restore....two decades later, still had boyhood refrences lol. That's...
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
Fellows, thanks for the views, comments and likes. There is really not extra shelves as there are 3 or 4 shelves of trains on the layout and many more cars in boxes! I have a plan and wall space for one more section. MTN - I am not into tube audio gear but 1970s, mostly silver faced and walnut veneer, like Sansui 9090 and db. I find audio gear cheap at garage and estate sales and that have discrete transistors that I can repair. I had a Hallicrafters tube SW receiver years ago and did not...
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JD2035RR ·
Charlie, I have to say this is one of my favorite topics on the forum. I had a 4x17 layout as a kid, and always thought it would be fun to build another. I had put it off for a while due to lack of space and time. However, you and your layout inspired me to get started on a layout, and let it evolve over time. I'm in the early stages now, but work on it a little here and there when I get time. I really enjoy the enginuity of everything on your layout from the turntable, to the wiring, to the...
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
JD Thanks for the encouraging words and you are exactly the type of train fan this topic is aimed at. Does the 2035 in your forum name stand for the Lionel 2035 steam engine? As you probably know the 2035 is my last favorite engine for my 027 track and Marx switches and allow me to pull heavy trains with operating cars. I found the planning of the track diagram went pretty fast. I would try to study other layouts to see where you might want to go in the future and try to plan for that or...
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Aldovar ·
At some point in the near future I'm going to start working on our new layout. I'm going to work back through through this thread to crib some ideas from you. I'll sit down with my little helpers and scroll through everything to ask them what ideas they like best and incorporate them. Thank you again for doing this.
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
Aldovar Thanks for the reply and kind words. Sounds like a good plan to get the little helpers involved. The model train hobby depends on the next generation. Been working on the next post to this topic. Charlie
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Re: Building and Evolution of an Action Packed Fifties Era Lionel 027 Operating & Switching Layout w/ Turntable

Choo Choo Charlie ·
Post 37 Layout Skirting When the layout was moved to the new train/media/audio room 5 years ago it was put on legs at 35 inches above the floor. This height was found to be good for operating and viewing from standing or sitting on a stool. Since the train room does not have a closet or storage room the space below the train layout is used for storage of LP records, spare stereo gear, etc. This makes for a messy looking area. It was decided to make a cloth skirt to hide the mess. Some dark...
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MNCW ·
Charlie, That looks pretty professional and I like the color. I had used skirting (a blue/gray color) on my last layout, too. I bought mine from Woolworths (!) and used velcro to affix it to the underside of the layout. You should be happy with how yours turned out. Tom
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
Tom Thanks for the response. You are this topics best fan! Velcro is a better way to hold the skirt on but as you know takes much more work to sew on and install on the layout. I have seen Velcro on layouts at train shows that get moved and set up often. I took the quick easy way and also do not remove the skirt so the tacks work ok. Next posts will be on Special Trains run on the layout. Charlie
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MNCW ·
Charlie, Glad you have more topics up your sleeve. Great layout you have there and I look forward to your posts...as do many others who are following your thread. I was reviewing some of your earlier posts and I remembered we have 2 things in common, I like the LW transformers, too and my last layout had that same crazy wiring that you showed in one of your earlier pictures. When I had to take apart that layout when we moved 5 or so years ago, I had such a mess, I unknowingly/accidentally...
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JD2035RR ·
In fact it does stand for the Lionel postwar steamer, my favorite Christmas gift that I received as a kid. I really enjoyed it as a kid, and grew to respect how great of an engine it really is as I grew older. Maybe the most underrated engine of the postwar period? Your family situation at the time of the build sounds similar to mine now. It's tough finding time at the end of the day with so much going on. I'm really trying to make it a priority to include the kids on the build, to try to...
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
JD Thanks for the response. Model railroading takes lots of time and must be fit in with the rest of your life. I tend to model in spurts with winter being the most active. It takes planning and patience to accumulate railroad material and gear if cost is an issue as it always is with many things competing with the money. Sounds like you are on your way. Charlie
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Choo Choo Charlie ·
Post 38 Popular Trains Run on the Layout (1st Popular Trains Post) I operate several Trains frequently on the layout such as the Operating Car Train the Operating Car Train, the Christmas train and a Wrecking Train and several more to be detailed in later posts. Operating Car Train and the Milk Car Lionel 3582 One train always on the layout is the Operating Car Train . This train consists of a Lionel 3582 milk car, a Lionel 3656 Cattle Car, a Lionel Barrel 3556 Unloading Car, and Lionel Ice...
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MNCW ·
Charlie, Seeing your hand-operated giant tweezers made me think that was was the author Alfred Chandler meant when he wrote the managerial book The Visible Hand... but maybe not. Love those milk cars! I have several, too. Tom
 
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