Hi - been looking for a Lionel Vision Line Genset Switcher - prefer the NS or the UP - but cant find any, most of auctions have parts missing or no box - does anyone have any idea where I might be able to buy one? email@example.com
I'll have a loop of O72 just to run it on, but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't play with my toys and see if it can go smaller. I do that with all my locomotives. My K-Line Big Boy is rated at O31 but it will run O27. I have a MTH DL-109 rated at O42 and it runs O36. The MTH PRR T-1 rated at O72 ran on my O48 loop, it didn't like it, but it did it. Will I run any of them regularly on the smaller curves, doubt it, but it's nice to know what they can take for the future since you can never...
Originally Posted by winrose46: When the vendors say 072 or 054 etc. they have tested many complex turnouts and radius combinations and select the radius that does not present issues. In several cases on my simple layout, my engines run on a smaller radius than advertised. In one instance, the coupler wire pulled out and the coupler now does not open; however, it does not effect my layout operation. This is true for all the major vendors. They rate an engine at the smallest radius they sell...
Seems people should spend their money first on a larger trainroom and some wide radius track and then buy a vision line bb. Simple laws of physics would tell you a nearly 36" loco will not run on smaller than 072...jim
I passed on the Vision Line Big Boy until I heard it and saw it. Out came Mr. Credit Card. Yes, you can run this on O-72, but you will rearrange anything within 5 inches of the track on curves. It really needs O-99 +
What better way to introduce myself to the Forum than with a first look at our Vision GG1! These are on their way to you now. Hope you all enjoy watching and running these as much as our team has enjoyed building them and making this video. Look for more product videos and updates to come in the near future. Vision Line GG1 Video
Hi Folks, The Vision Line UP BB minimum curve is O-72. Knowing this and not being concerned with the overhang appearance, would I be able to run this engine on O-60 curves? Thanks for your thoughts. Frank
Great GG1. Only question I have, the horn doesn't correct to the engine. Maybe I'm hearing it wrong, but it doesn't sound like a A200. But for me, the JLC #4876 I own, the horn sounds better then the Vision Line. But other then that, the new VL GG1 is great. But I'm still keeping my JLC. I still the love the operating pantographs with the sounds of raising and lower of the pantographs. But that's my opinion. I know other people will differ. But still, Lionel did a great job on this model.
Oh and the engine was nice I guess. I am not sure it offered enough features (certainly nothing innovative) to elevate it into the Vision Line product line, despite the engineer's exuberant introduction.
Pete, Very nice model. Sounds great, and the simulated arcing looks pretty good on your model too. Also nice to hear road-specific Towercom/Crewtalk. To my ears, that just says an importer is going the extra mile to be conscientious enough to give buyers the most for their money. Funny thing is I recall when VisionLine was first announced, the VisionLine features were supposed to trickle down to Lionel's regular product line over time. Nowadays, it seems some features (like road-specific...
Wait, the Vision Line GG1s will not run under catenary ? Over a thousand dollars for a model train that is supposed to be as real as it gets and the very thing that this locomotive was meant for is a non-starter ! I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I think we've been had.
You guys that are harping on the video production quality should give it a rest already. They were having some fun and hamming it up a bit! Considering that there was still a great deal of info delivered, I take my hat off to them. Everyone seems to think it's easy until the camera is pointed at them, then we see how fast they forget their only line! The loco looks good. As far as the flashing spark - That is part of the corner that Lionel has painted themselves into with the Vision Line.
My GG 1 is on the way to me. Could someone give me the height from the railhead to the top of the pantograph ? I measured the bridge on my layout . From the top of the rail to edge of the bridge frame looks to be about 7 1/16 inches. Will this clear the pantograph on the V Line GG 1? A picture of my measurement ls below. Thanks, Richard
In his review, Eric Siegal/EricsTrains strongly encouraged users NOT to use anything less than 0-72. If you look at several of the YouTube videos of the Big Boy running, I don't see how it can possibly run on 0-60. Truthfully, 0-120ish (double 0-60) is still too tight for my taste. And when it comes to anything UP related, accept Hot Water's words as gospel!!
Here is the BB sitting on O54 track. I was able to push it back and forth on it and it took it. The tender on the other hand felt like it would climb out. If it had any blind wheels, it might of made it fine. As for the close coupling, I don't know if it'd of taken it. I don't have anything in between O72 and O54. It would not go on O48 so I didn't even try placing it on O36.
Originally Posted by sinclair: Here is the BB sitting on O54 track. I was able to push it back and forth on it and it took it. The tender on the other hand felt like it would climb out. If it had any blind wheels, it might of made it fine. As for the close coupling, I don't know if it'd of taken it. I don't have anything in between O72 and O54. It would not go on O48 so I didn't even try placing it on O36. Ouch!
Why you guys continually try to operate locomotives on tighter curves than shown in the catalog is beyond me. It's the minimum diameter (3R language) to keep the locomotive and tender from derailing. Not trying to sound like a j..k. It also is a big surprise when it derails and won't operate on tight curves...HMMM... There's 3 easy options: 1. Don't buy it if you don't have the minimum curve required. 2. Install the curves if you don't have the minimum diameter required. 3. Buy it and...
The minimum curve's that are listed, are NOT based on boiler overhang... they are minimums that the engine/tender needs to stay on the track without derailing. Looks has nothing to do with it. Overhang is a matter of taste and personal opinion.
Originally Posted by Laidoffsick: The minimum curve's that are listed, are NOT based on boiler overhang... they are minimums that the engine/tender needs to stay on the track without derailing. Looks has nothing to do with it. Overhang is a matter of taste and personal opinion. EXACTLY! Thanks for clarifying it, I only alluded to it in my post after rereading it. Corrected above.
I have serious reservations about it running on any smaller curves. The rear tender wheels appear to be pretty tight on the O72 curves, I'm having a hard time imagining it not being an issue on smaller curves.
When the vendors say 072 or 054 etc. they have tested many complex turnouts and radius combinations and select the radius that does not present issues. In several cases on my simple layout, my engines run on a smaller radius than advertised. In one instance, the coupler wire pulled out and the coupler now does not open; however, it does not effect my layout operation.
Well, I have the JLC version and the tender does not fit on 60 inch curves. I tried it years ago - it pops off the track quickly. I never tried to run the loco on 60. I know that it "fits" (it will fit all its wheels and flanges on the rails) but I suspect it would de-rail every once in a while, anyway.
If you NEED to push the limits, you could always remove the outter axles on each end of the tender and push it along on some 060 curves. If that is the biggest you can go, I wouldn't get one until you know for sure... $2k is a lot to gamble with.
I just pushed the tender through some Fastrack O60 curves, it didn't actually jump the track, but it looked like it wanted to climb, and the effort to roll went way up over the O72 curves. I have a hard time imagining that if it were running on an O60 loop that I wouldn't be dealing with regular derailments. My quick analysis is they knew what they were talking about with the O72 limitation.
It seems that a nice Lionmaster (and they are nice) BB would be the logical and tasteful choice for smaller curves. A reasonable look involving a smaller loco would look far less ridiculous than a huge BB MAYBE straining around those tiny curves. (Disney's "Fantasia"; hippos in tutu's; ballet) But, most of these curve ratings are a tad conservative, I would think, for obvious reasons. Some are not. I have lots of big steamers from all the manufacturers. Some will manage smaller curves, some...
I have had quite a few Big Boys and, due to deconstruction of the Munoz Lines, passed on this version. Even with O-90 curves, the overhang was enormous. The Big Boy just doesn't look good on anything less than O-90. Even with O-90 it just looks out of place. We simply started to run smaller steamers. The articulateds ran, but simply seemed too big for the layout.
You're right, Berkshire, this thread was born almost a year ago when the VL BB was beginning delivery - an oldie but goodie. When this question was posed back then, I had both an 072 loop and an 060 loop so I tried it out. The VL BB will run on 060 but it looks stupid (best word I could think of). Forget about 060 switches. Also the cab apron needs to be down. It is listed as 072 for good reasons.
No, it just does not make Sence. 072- 081- 090- 099- 0120- and wider is better...I know it sounds bad, but simply said this is a a High Class Monster, worthy of much respect....Its really a fun to run and operate Locomotive...Happy New Year.
In order to answer your question, Frank, I will post this picture of my VL BB on tubular O54 track. It sweeps the country side and looks terrible doing it, but I don't care. I never realized there were so many rules and obligations to owning this engine, I was just enjoying running it. It has not derailed, and I've run it a lot. I've really enjoyed running it and feel like it was money well spent. One of these days I'll build a bigger layout, but I'm enjoying it now, not some unforeseen time...
Since this time last year, I got a table built. Still need to come up with a track plan, but at least the base is there. I have a loop of O72 on it and had my VL BB pulling 10 reefers flying along it at full throttle. It never left the track, and what a sight to see and hear. On a side note, the 1st time my dad was over and I was showing it to him, he shouted out, "watch out, it's broken" when it went into the curve because of how the boiler didn't follow the front engine. I then got to...
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