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497 Coaling Station Question

Dan Padova ·
I want to run the 497 coaling station independently of track power. I know the wiring diagram for fixed voltage operation as outlined in the manual. My track power will be an MTH Z-1000. I don't want the Z-1000 track power to have anything to do with the operation of the coaling station. I will be using Williams dump cars which will dump using track power, but I want the coaling station to be powered by a separate AC power source, like an old KW. My question is this, since the track touches...
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American Power and Light

Loose-Caboose ·
I just received my Power and Light Building. To my surprise the section of the building where the cars go through has a floor so as to prevent the just slipping that section over the siding. Has anyone sawed the floor so as to allow the slipping over the track versus ripping up the track and relaying the track through the building?
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AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

Dan Padova ·
I have an AC supply. It's been sitting on myself for years. I would like to use it to power accessories. It puts out 20 VAC. What can I use as a throttle ?
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Additional O Scale Transformers (Help!)

PhoebeSnow ·
Hello all, I currently have an MTH DCS layout powered by a Z4000, through both handles. On the left, I have a main table with three main loops of track along with some sidings. On the right, I have two simple loops around the ceiling of the room. On...
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EASY ON-BOARD BATTERY POWER FOR FULL-SIZE O SCALE LOCOS

Ironbound ·
Lots of videos show battery power installed on smaller narrow-gauge lokies, even HO scale, but here’s how I do it in standard gauge O 2R on The Ironbound RR. I’ve been using it for seven years. I’m electronics disinclined, so if I can do it, anybody can do it! You can even keep your current thru-the-rails system at the same time! Incidentally, the music track is “3:30 BLUES” by DUANE EDDY. Apologies... I can’t seem to alter the picture size ratio so some of the instructional titles (legends...
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EM-1 (6-28051) won't run on conventional power SOLVED!!

arcticrail ·
Hello all, Feel pretty silly for posting this but I've spent a couple hours surfing the web and the forums here for an answer and no luck yet.  I'm sure I'm missing something obvious... I just purchased a Lionel EM-1 and have been trying to get it to move on conventional power.  I have an MTH Z4000 for power.  When I power it up, I get sounds, and the bell and whistle function correctly.  In neutral, the lights are all on and the smoke generator works.  Actuating the...
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Fastrack Remote Switch Short Problem

IcyTrains ·
One of my FT Remote Switches causes a short, your help in resolving this problem will be appreciated. Six of my seven remote switches work fine with auxiliary power, only the seventh remote switch causes a short when other track is connected to it. By itself the seventh switch works fine with auxiliary power without being connect to other track that includes the other six switches. Concurrently the other six switches that are connected to each other through the track linking them and they...
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For Sale or Trade: Williams Amtrak Phase 4 P42 NP with Box

Maxrailroad ·
For sale here is a Williams by Bachman Non Powered P42 in phase 4 paint. This locomotive is used, but there is no visible damage. This engine has lights. I am keeping the powered version because I had a smoke unit installed and now it catches fire when turned on. I do have the original box for this engine, and it does have some shelf wear. I will trade for ONLY the non powered version of the phase 5 painted one. If not a trade, I am asking for $100 plus shipping. Thanks for looking. 
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Got my Menard's Power & Light building....

AMCDave ·
Ordered late Thursday and gt it today. Pretty good service all considered. I really like this structure. It is a little modern for my mid 1950's era layout....but I'll say it's brand new!! It looks great although if you look really close you can see a few of the 'tab and slot' connectors....most are well hidden. I see them as I have designed structure kits and have a much more critical eye than 99.999% of people. Once on a layout no one will ever notice!! The design is very good with lots of...
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Help with a Lionel Christmas Tree ornament.

FrankfordJunction ·
Looking for help to power this Christmas Tree ornament independently from the string of mini lights that are intended to power it.  I'd like to install it on a layout and have it powered directly.  Does anyone know the correct voltage to drive such an ornament?  It's a classic Hallmark Lionel ornament so I don't want to destroy it.  Any help gratefully accepted.  Thanks.
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How to VID: Prevent Stalling on Atlas Turnouts and Slips Using Tortoise Switch Machines to Power Route

Biggs767 ·
Hi Everyone, My Dad and I made this video to show how we use Tortoise switch machines to prevent locomotives with short pick up wheel spacing from stalling on Atlas turnouts. I hope you find it useful and comments are always welcome! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7ZzBUHj290
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Inexpensive wireless remote controller for model railroads

pro hobby ·
Inexpensive wireless remote controller for model railroads This is an inexpensive controller that is used to trip a 12vdc circuit. It is used as part of an emergency stop circuit for my model railroad. The controller uses a FOB to activate the control circuit that is housed in a small power distribution box. Activating the button on the FOB trips the emergency stop circuit (not shown). The controller is used in momentary contact mode. The wireless controller shown was purchased on EBAY for...
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Is DCS compatible with Stop & Wait Block Power Control ?

Dick Autz ·
I want to put two PS3 engines on my “old school” Block Power Controlled layout using Insulated Track Switches. Once an Engine stops to wait on a unpowered block it needs a manual restart before it will move again. When Engine 1 stops like this, Engine2 is bound to come into a dead block and stop also. How can I make my layout work with these great new Engines and DCS? Using Conventional Engines my layout works well with 6 Relay controlled blocks, and 6 track switches, Engines set in Forward,...
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Re: Inexpensive wireless remote controller for model railroads

stan2004 ·
The relay module can be set to toggle mode or momentary operation mode. Toggle means each button press toggles the relay on and off. Momentary means the relay is on as long as the button is held. If installing in rolling stock for remote activation, each mode has its applications. For a few dollars more you can get fobs with more buttons and relay modules with ability to decode addressing so you can independently (or simultaneously) activate multiple remote relays.
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Re: Is DCS compatible with Stop & Wait Block Power Control ?

Dick Autz ·
G. On the speed mismatch... I have MTH Diesel SD60 and Camel Back Steam engines which are worst case and I found I have a track problem where the Camel Back looses traction with more than 3 cars being pulled. Working on that one. When using conventional mode I have found that I can't depend much on where the Engine stops each time at the same speed when I encounter a insulated track switch. Using an older Lionel conventional it also stops at a different position. Maybe I'm being too...
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Re: Menards Power and Light building

Notch 6 ·
Troy, That looks awesome! Great use of the Korber kit and rotary tipple. The Menards building made a very nice addition.
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

Alan Mancus ·
yes you can use it but typically accessories use 16 vac but not always, what is the amp rating on your power supply? Also it should either be fused or a circuit breaker in case of a short, you want the power to go off immediately, otherwise you could burn out your accessories, and if they are MTH they would have electronics boards and you would not want to burn out electrics as they get very expensive! IMHO Alan
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

ADCX Rob ·
20 volts is fine, but how many amps? If it's not labeled, figure about 1 amp/lb. as a starting point. I have used 8 amp 22 volt industrial transformers for powering PM-1's for CAB-1 conventional control. It works well despite the 18 volt design of the TMCC system, but do so at your own risk.
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

AGHRMatt ·
As funny as that sounds, that's surprisingly close.
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

stan2004 ·
Yikes. I'd want that off of me ASAP. OK, understood you've found a solution with your KW. Hijack alert. This being a discussion forum, if we're talking about powering accessories with a spare/unused fixed-output AC transformer, many newer accessories operate on DC input. For example, Menards, Lemax, Miller lighting products take 4.5V DC, animated mechanisms now routinely use DC gear-motor, and accessories with digital functionality must convert Accessory AC to a lower DC voltage such as 5V...
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

RoyBoy ·
Nobody has suggested getting a TPC? That's what I have been using and building layouts with for years. They work great. Supposedly the new Power Masters have all the programming that the TPC did.
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

ADCX Rob ·
While the PM-1 PowerMaster can be used as a plug-n-play standalone with the 6 amp supply and a CAB-1, a TPC requires extra equipment and cabling.
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

Dan Padova ·
I'm not sure you are understanding what I would like to do. The power supply is an LGB 50110 6 Amp AC transformer. I need to vary the output voltage. LGB has a throttle but it changes the AC to DC at the throttle. Isn't there a device that would allow me to vary the voltage coming from the LGB power supply and keep it as AC ? Here are two photos showing the power supply and the throttle. As you can see, the transformer puts out AC only. The throttle, on the right, changes the AC power to DC...
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

Dan Padova ·
I think I'll just use my KW transformer. It doesn't seem worth the effort to mess with the LGB power supply.
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

JohnGaltLine ·
I can think of a couple of ways to do this, but none of them are particularly practical. The first is to go super old school and use a rheostat. You waste a lot of power as heat, but it will get the job done. If you're looking to run accessories at a lower voltage this might work out. Next, you can use a Variac: This will vary the voltage on the input side of the transformer which will, in turn, adjust the output side. While it will work, even a cheap/used variac costs more than just buying...
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

Ace ·
JOHNGALTLINE gave a good rundown on alternate ideas for a throttle controller for fixed voltage output. I use a variable transformer feeding a salvaged step-down transformer on one of my layouts, which works well. I happened to have free secondhand parts on hand for that. Another possibility uses a bank of light bulbs connected in parallel, which as a group are connected in series with the circuit through the locomotive motor. Some of the earliest electric model trains used this method...
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Re: AC Supply. What can I use for a throttle

ADCX Rob ·
I understood perfectly, and now with some specific information, I will stick with using it to powering a PM-1 for CAB-1 conventional control(trains, accessories, lights, whatever you wish). The MTH Z controller will do the same thing, albeit with wires instead of wireless.
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Re: Is DCS compatible with Stop & Wait Block Power Control ?

George S ·
I haven't found a solution for this other than to run the engines in conventional mode. I want the feature too for protected crossings. I think there is some hope now that several people know the MTH serial port commands and with control through the wifi adapter, but no solutions completed yet to my knowledge. Mark DiVecchio or Dave Hikel could solve this, but it is probably a matter of priorities.
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Re: Is DCS compatible with Stop & Wait Block Power Control ?

JohnGaltLine ·
Could something like this be done? sure. Will it be? I see two problems. The first is shared with Legacy/tmcc as well, which is that the programing process for such a control option would necessarily be rather complex compared to the simple record and play back offered now. Both companies tend to design for the least common denominator, so 'complex', If-Then, programing options are not likely to be seen in the near future. The second issue is that while it is quite simple to use a computer...
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Re: Is DCS compatible with Stop & Wait Block Power Control ?

George S ·
Doesn't the Lionel system (LCS) allow programmatic control of the layout through track sensors? I don't have any of that and was only interpreting what I was reading. Also I believe they released their interface spec to the public. So, my assumption is that it could be done with Lionel. (I will await my bashing...) Next hypothesis is that MTH will eventually follow suit to be competitive. I realize this could take some time.
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Re: Is DCS compatible with Stop & Wait Block Power Control ?

JohnGaltLine ·
George, The LCS system gives you a bit of limited control, but only in that it will let you program a recorded series of events that will start every time an engine passes over the sensor track. I don't think you can program it to say: IF engine 1 passes the sensor THEN stop engine 1 AND start engine 2, ELSE IF engine 2 passes the sensor THEN stop engine 2 AND start engine 1. To the best of my understanding you can only program an exact repetition of timed key presses on the remote that will...
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Re: Is DCS compatible with Stop & Wait Block Power Control ?

GGG ·
First, For the speed mismatch, you need to do some maintenance on the engine that is too fast. I would validate that it is faster than all the MTH engines. Then clean the tach tape, make sure gap is correct, reload sound file. Test again. It also could be the one being caught, if.... wheels dirty, tires bad, mechanical binding. As far as block control in conventional, you could lock the engine in forward. When the block re-energizes the engine will start and move forward. Similar to what has...
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Re: Is DCS compatible with Stop & Wait Block Power Control ?

Dick Autz ·
Many thanks for the thoughtful replies.
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

gunrunnerjohn ·
Yep Chuck, there goes another one. You do have to add the choke for DCS compatibility, but that's not sufficient to go to the trouble of making one. I ordered three of these to have on hand, they look useful. Stan, the 153E looks interesting, I've never even seen one of those. Truthfully, if I were to do a signal module, I think I'd probably stick an 8-pin PIC on there and have maybe four transistor outputs and two inputs. Make it do a bit more. Perhaps one of the inputs would be a simple...
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

PLCProf ·
Does anybody know the true commercial market for all these modules? Who uses them in what products? Hard to believe they are manufactured for the hobbyists! As an editorial comment, the vast majority of people on this forum are hobbyists, and a lot of us are "old guys with a lot of stuff." There seems to be a bias toward spending $5 to use something I already have rather than spending $2 to buy the correct part for the job. Some of my other hobby interests have the same problem. To...
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

JohnGaltLine ·
I'm going to guess it is a hobbyist of a different sort. It has proven difficult to find accurate and/or up to date numbers, but the best I can find shows over 3 million Raspberry Pi's sold as of March 2014. Arduinos are even harder to track because there are many more clones out there. The figures I can find suggest over 1.5 million boards just between genuine Arduino boards and SparkFun branded boards are sold each year. Other articles and community responses say for every genuine board...
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

stan2004 ·
Everyone has their opinion on the value of pre-wiring, packaging, branding ("Lionel" printed on it), and so on. I think you could indeed add some value with a 25 cent microcontroller to add logic and timing to Case 1. While I can't imagine anyone doing this, you may recall I showed how you can take a Hennings AC-to-DC LED module plus a $1 eBay 12V DC relay module to essentially duplicate the functionality of a 153E. It additionally has the DCS inductor. The post which includes and video...
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

cjack ·
I don't think it has to do with "work " as much as other reasons like tiny, neat, ocd, cost, skills, etc.
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

stan2004 ·
Don't forget "tools". While the DIY electrical guys have a soldering iron (or 2 or 3), I'm not sure everyone in the hobby has one. Then there are those insanely (high) priced crimping tools to make connector inserts for some of the wiring used in the hobby. And the tool I have the most "fun" with is the digital multi-meter which I find a lot of guys do not have and hence my delight in pointing out the "Free with Coupon" meter you can get at Harbor Freight...perfectly adequate for a wide...
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

gunrunnerjohn ·
Other folks have mentioned programmable signal systems, so that might be a place where there is a chance to add value. I do notice a huge resistance to having to solder anything.
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

PLCProf ·
What we need is a module that puts 8 of these in a row, plus de-chatter, for $8. I posted this a few years back but the thread disappeared or my eyes went dim. I'd let you remove the 120VAC coil connection. Add a DCS inductor and it would be a winner. http://controlconsultantsinc.c...-1030vacdc-2381.html
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

gunrunnerjohn ·
We wait with eager anticipation for your product announcement. I know I won't be building it, I can't afford to ship a $20 bill with each unit!
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

stan2004 ·
I suggest starting a different thread specific to a new/proposed "signaling" product whether it be an 8-channel relay system or $20 bills folded origami-style to look like relays. No rules against topic-meander, but this thread started with a proposal to convert low-voltage AC-to-DC...and the trials and tribulations therein. Just my 2 cents. No refunds.
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

Stoshu ·
I use these at work all the time , they are bullet proof. I also use them quite extensively on isolated rail applications. I still add a couple diodes and anywhere from a 480uf to 1000uf cap to keep the relay from chattering. A 1000uf cap give me about a 2 second post delay on the relay, Great for crossing gates. The number we use is the MR101. ( they also include a nice mounting bracket ) That will handle 8-230V input. Bruce..
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

gunrunnerjohn ·
You're talking me out of it Stan. You really can't compete with the Chinese on stuff like this, that seems clear. I do believe the person using the 28V max input module that toasted it was feeding it 22 or 24 volts from an MTH transformer. With 18V AC, you shouldn't hit 28 volts DC, more like 25.5V peak at the cap, and then there's a couple of diode drops through the bridge diodes... I think I'll go back to stuff the Chinese haven't blanketed so thoroughly.
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

cjack ·
I like all these suggestions. From the standpoint of providing 4.5 vdc using the 16-17 vac lighting source (for incandescent and new Lionel LED lighting tracksides, I needed ac to dc with high efficiency. I already had some ac to dc linear supplies with readouts and dc to dc switching supplies with readouts. I decided to use the linear supplies for rectification, filtering, and drop a couple dc volts to their output and then feed the dc to dc switching supplies. This works well up to at...
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

JohnGaltLine ·
Just to throw it out there, you could use a simple jumper to make the board switch between full and half wave rectification. I forgot about the choke for DCS, but other than that I think this works... The capacitors are random values, you know what you actually need. Anyway for less than a quarter in parts over that of using a full bridge you can add the option to switch between either option by moving a jumper. JGL
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

gunrunnerjohn ·
Looking at the prices of Chinese modules, I don't see where this can be made where it's attractive without losing money on every shipment. Chuck, the one issue with calculating the input cap is knowing the ripple specification for the Chinese module. I guess I'd have to dig into the chip datasheet to see what it tolerates.
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Re: Proposed AC-DC Power Module for Layout use

gg1man ·
I solved all of my low voltage problems by use of a PC power supply. I bought mien at Radio Shack but I'm sure you can find them at multiple outlets. It provides a 5VDC, 12VDC, 9VDC output from a standard 120 AC input and I only paid about twenty-five bucks for it. Of course you have to get a little creative bringing your voltages out to a terminal strips, but it came with a chart that showed the pin out on the connector. Return is the same for all voltages. Even without that a volt meter...
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gunrunnerjohn ·
A PC power supply is a little large for rolling stock or engines, at least O-scale stuff.


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