Tagged With "LEGACY"

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MTH DCS Issues with TMCC/Legacy

Evan Cihlar ·
Hi all, I have been having some issues with my DCS system lately. I have a DCS/Legacy hybrid system where my TIU is connected to my Legacy base so I can run TMCC locomotives from the DCS handheld and TMCC/Legacy locomotives from the Legacy handheld. An issue that I have always had and cannot figure out the solution to is why there is always a problem with starting up a locomotive if it is on the same track as a TMCC/legacy locomotive. If the ground is connected to the track with a TMCC...
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Lionel Legacy NYC F3 Powered B Unit & Lionel and MTH NYC Passenger Cars

MDphotographer ·
Lionel Legacy NYC F3 Powered B unit #6-34580 less then 12 hours run time $250.00 +actual shipping Lionel NYC 3 car passenger set $75.00 +actual shipping MTH NYC 4 car passenger set $100.00 +actual shipping Mdphotgrapher@aol.com
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PRICE REDUCED! FOR SALE: NKP C420 #577 $250 (TMCC)

Evan Cihlar ·
I have a Nickel Plate Road C420 for sale. I bought this item second-hand and it was barely used. It was in the private collection of Lionel's CEO (I don't know which one) and never run until I got it. Since I have acquired it in my collection, it has been used gently and only runs local freights up and down the upper level. There are no scratches, broken parts, or anything wrong with this locomotive. The locomotive has great detailing, operates very well, and is a great performer. It also...
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

MichRR714 ·
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn: If it's not a black module, it is not writable, so the answer is no. John the data must get written to the module originally somehow.
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gunrunnerjohn ·
These are most likely OTP or mask parts, not re-writable modules. Re-writable modules are more expensive, and they don't use them unless there's a reason.
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MichRR714 ·
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn: These are most likely OTP or mask parts, not re-writable modules. Re-writable modules are more expensive, and they don't use them unless there's a reason. I'm well aware that the black module is re-writable. The point of my post was just to have some conversation about a blank "orange" module and how the engine modules are originated.
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

gunrunnerjohn ·
Originally Posted by MichRR714: Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn: These are most likely OTP or mask parts, not re-writable modules. Re-writable modules are more expensive, and they don't use them unless there's a reason. I'm well aware that the black module is re-writable. The point of my post was just to have some conversation about a blank "orange" module and how the engine modules are originated. Sorry, but I thought that's exactly what I posted. I'll be quiet now, since you didn't like...
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

cjack ·
What I'm getting is that MichRR714 is wondering if the orange module IS blank (somehow mis-sent) if it could be written to (for the first and only time written to) by the base. Not likely, but a reasonable thought if you've never dealt with roms, eeroms, etc.
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

MichRR714 ·
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn: Originally Posted by MichRR714: Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn: These are most likely OTP or mask parts, not re-writable modules. Re-writable modules are more expensive, and they don't use them unless there's a reason. I'm well aware that the black module is re-writable. The point of my post was just to have some conversation about a blank "orange" module and how the engine modules are originated. Sorry, but I thought that's exactly what I posted. I'll...
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

MichRR714 ·
Originally Posted by cjack: What I'm getting is that MichRR714 is wondering if the orange module IS blank (somehow mis-sent) if it could be written to (for the first and only time written to) by the base. Not likely, but a reasonable thought if you've never dealt with roms, eeroms, etc. Thanks Chuck. You sure got my drift.
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

gunrunnerjohn ·
Originally Posted by MichRR714: Your conversation is welcome.. your attitude however is unnecessary. OK, let's reset. Sorry that came across the wrong way. I actually thought I answered the question, but I think you changed the nature of what you were asking a bit after the fact. I'm not really trying to give you attitude, I thought I was trying to answer your question. To recap: You asked if the Legacy orange module was writable and I said no. Next you made the statement about the data...
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

MichRR714 ·
Originally Posted by MichRR714: Here is a question. Just ran my new DMIR Mikado. Engine ran great! When I went to load the engine with the module, my Cab2 would not recognize the module. Checked several other modules and it was just this one. Could it be blank? If it is blank.. could I use the utility to create the module just as if it was a "black module" ? Kind of wondered what Marty thought about this. Here in my original post I stated that I felt my module could be blank. Thus never...
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

gunrunnerjohn ·
I'm be amazed if you can write to it, but I've been amazed before.
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MichRR714 ·
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn: I'm be amazed if you can write to it, but I've been amazed before. John, no dice on the write. It acted like no module was present. All is not lost though, I learned something and I fixed the Mars light on my S3 with a couple more clicks
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Yep, several people have apparently fixed their mars light with the utility. I fixed the fact that I couldn't program any engine for #2, there was garbage in the fields and apparently the Legacy CAB2 didn't know how to erase it. Too bad about the module, but it would have been a fluke to be able to program it I suspect. I'm temped to pry one of the 1.2 modules apart to see what chip they use, it's not like I'll ever be going back to that version again!
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cjack ·
Originally Posted by MichRR714: Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn: I'm be amazed if you can write to it, but I've been amazed before. John, no dice on the write. It acted like no module was present. All is not lost though, I learned something and I fixed the Mars light on my S3 with a couple more clicks How does the the Mars light function now?
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Don M. ·
This gave me a reason to get a computer for the train room. Always wanted one there so I bought a new opened box INSPIRON mini Dell laptop for $200 on ebay. Bought the Serial / USB adapter, a $6.00 seial Y cable (The one that comes with legacy is not a Y cable), and a 30ft USB cable. Downloaded the software and set up the utility no problem. So now I have a fully functional PC on my train worktable permanently connected to the legacy base. I also hooked up my P-touch label maker (didn't...
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

cjack ·
I have no doubt that the functionality will increase over the next year and beyond. Small beginnings...
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

loco-dan ·
We are really the beta testers for this utility, it hasn't been "advertised" so others outside of the OGR forum know about it. I expect much more is coming. Including editing "Lash ups". As soon as the black modules are available we will probably see ver 1.4 released. Patience, Dan
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MichRR714 ·
Originally Posted by cjack: How does the the Mars light function now? Great. With the ability to edit the engine, I added the functionality to turn the Mars light off and on. I removed Rule 17 lighting, however since it was active when the engine was last used that feature will still be operational.
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Ken M ·
Received my cables to hook up my LSU to computer. I used USB cable 15 meters long or approx 49 feet. works good. I am unable to figue out how to edit trains, am I missing something. Thank You Ken
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Barry Broskowitz ·
For anyone who's interested, I leave my Legacy Base connected to the layout and have a home-made 30' ribbon cable, connected to a 6' serial<--> USB Cable, that then connects to the PC in the workroom. I then use the PC to load black modules in the Base for updating the Base and the Cab-2. The ribbon cable has been in place for the past 8 years so that I never have to remove my 3 TIUs from the layout to update their software. Now, the same cable also works for Legacy updates.
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MichRR714 ·
Originally Posted by Barry Broskowitz: I then use the PC to load black modules in the Base for updating the Base and the Cab-2. Barry, How did you obtain your black modules?
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cbojanower ·
Originally Posted by MichRR714: Originally Posted by Barry Broskowitz: I then use the PC to load black modules in the Base for updating the Base and the Cab-2. Barry, How did you obtain your black modules? A few got them for testing purposes, they will soon be commercially available, until 1.4 is released online there is really nothing to do with them anyway
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MichRR714 ·
Originally Posted by cbojanower: A few got them for testing purposes, they will soon be commercially available, until 1.4 is released online there is really nothing to do with them anyway Is Barry writing a book on Legacy now??
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Barry Broskowitz ·
I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you... I'v been assured that if I did, no one here would read it, because it's unnecessary.
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Johnsgg1 ·
I wonder if the new ZW-L will come with a 1.4 module?
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cbojanower ·
It should since 1.4 is required to use it
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MichRR714 ·
Originally Posted by Barry Broskowitz: I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you... Get in line behind my wife.
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Don M. ·
FYI - I found leaving the USB connected to the computer (without the utility running) does interfere with the devices wired via the command base cable. My accessories run on auto pilot through an ARC. With the cable in, some commands in the sequence get dropped. Leaving the USB plug out of the computer is an easy fix. I'm not sure why technically this happens but I think it may have to do with the serial converter. It would not have be apparant to me if I didn't have automated sequences.
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Railsounds ·
Don, could you elaborate a bit more? When you are observing dropped commands from the ARC, I understand that your computer is still connected to your LEGACY base via a USB-serial cable. Is the Legacy System Utility program still running when the ARC playback seems to be interrupted? If yes, please try quitting LSU and try your ARC playback again. thanks, Rudy
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Gandalf97 ·
Originally Posted by Barry Broskowitz: I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you... I'v been assured that if I did, no one here would read it, because it's unnecessary. I bet that isn't true... I like and respect some of the naysayers but sometimes a person needs to see (or hear) the same info packaged in a different way. They are somehow able to connect with it from one presenter and not another. So, I think there is plenty of room for a Legacy book.
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MartyE ·
Maybe a pamphlet?
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Originally Posted by Railsounds: Don, could you elaborate a bit more? When you are observing dropped commands from the ARC, I understand that your computer is still connected to your LEGACY base via a USB-serial cable. Is the Legacy System Utility program still running when the ARC playback seems to be interrupted? If yes, please try quitting LSU and try your ARC playback again. thanks, Rudy This is to be expected. The transmit side from the computer is clashing with the transmit from the...
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Don M. ·
Originally Posted by Railsounds: Don, could you elaborate a bit more? When you are observing dropped commands from the ARC, I understand that your computer is still connected to your LEGACY base via a USB-serial cable. Is the Legacy System Utility program still running when the ARC playback seems to be interrupted? If yes, please try quitting LSU and try your ARC playback again. thanks, Rudy The PC was powered on and the LAS utility was NOT running . Just thought I would post this to warn...
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Don M. ·
Originally Posted by gunrunnerjohn: Originally Posted by Railsounds: Don, could you elaborate a bit more? When you are observing dropped commands from the ARC, I understand that your computer is still connected to your LEGACY base via a USB-serial cable. Is the Legacy System Utility program still running when the ARC playback seems to be interrupted? If yes, please try quitting LSU and try your ARC playback again. thanks, Rudy This is to be expected. The transmit side from the computer is...
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Actually, the computer doesn't have to be sending anything. RS-232 is always active, the output will be driven when no data is being sent. Even if you exit the utility and leave the port idle, it can still screw up other reception to the command base.
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Dale Manquen ·
Isn't the ARC the only accessory device that drives Pin 3 (Data into Base)?
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Dale, the ARC is the only one that immediately comes to mind. I would suspect that stuff like the TPC or BPC wouldn't have a problem with the computer plugged in. Since I don't have an ARC, I am not affected by this issue.
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Don M. ·
I did not notice any TPC problems, and I have 8 of them. The problem occurred with ASCs and AMCs
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Professor Chaos ·
I have both the DCS base and a TTL-serial converter simultaneously connected to the Legacy base via the Legacy Y-cable; both devices seem to transmit to the Legacy base fine. In theory, you could work with both connected if you used a "diode or gate": use diodes to prevent each device form pulling the line up when idle. Then you'd have to have a weak pull-up to 12V (5V for original TMCC base) to hold the line inactive (high) when neither computer nor ASC was transmitting. Perhaps the Legacy...
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Re: LEGACY System Utility v1.0

Dale Manquen ·
Originally Posted by Don M.: I did not notice any TPC problems, and I have 8 of them. The problem occurred with ASCs and AMCs I am curious about the loading on the Legacy base. Are you saying that you drive 8 TPC's, and also some ASC's and AMC's (how many of each?) with the Legacy Base serial output?
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Don M. ·
Sorry - I exaggerated. I have 7 TPC’s, 3 AMC’s, 2 ASC’s, 1 TMCC Gantry Crane and an ASC. I also have 2 SC-2’s which are not connected to the serial cable. I’m hoping I can still add the new Smoke Loader and maybe another ASC.
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Dale's eyes are rolling! I'm surprised all of that is working on the Legacy base!
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cjack ·
We've had some reports of "hey, mine drives a warehouse of serial inputs...", my head is wondering too since I did some careful testing of driving just one TPC and a Z Stuff switch driver and noted the limitations of the Legacy base compared to the TMCC base. I do think there might have been some differences between the old TPCs and the latest ones...of course there are, but differences that adress this loading issue.
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Don M. ·
I guess I should add that my legacy base alone can’t drive really more than 6 devices reliably. You can get 7 devices working but one drops out every so often. After a long fight with Lionel Customer Service who indicated that only 3 devices are officially supported, I decided to take matters into my own hands and purchased a 232LBR9 signal amplifier from B&B electronics. I now have 14 devices connected to one legacy base and working flawlessly. I don’t know what the limit is with the...
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gunrunnerjohn ·
I'm sure it's VERY easy to exceed the official maximum of three!
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Dale Manquen ·
Chuck, my hand-drawn schematic for the TPC shows a 2.0Kohm resistor in series with the optoisolator's LED. Unfortunately, my data sheet for the H11L1 does not give a nominal "ON" current, just the worst case of 1.6mA. The LED voltage is probably about 1.1V. I use 3.5V as the minimum for the serial drive line, and this would provide 1.2mA of current, not enough for the "worst case" parts. On the other hand, the Transfer Characteristics graph on the data sheet indicates an "ON" current of .9...
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Don M. ·
Does that mean you are impressed that I am driving 14 devices?
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Dale Manquen ·
No, it means that you could have saved me some time if you had mentioned that you are using a booster. I should have remembered that from your previous posts. I manufacture a booster that will drive more devices than the old TMCC Base, and it is only $40. Your booster seems to be doing a good job for you.
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