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Lionel B-6 Switcher

Dan Padova ·
I'm looking at a Lionel B-6 switcher, #6-18000. I'm not familiar with this loco since I run post-war stuff. Would it perform well on a post-war tubular track layout ?
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Jeff2035 ·
I have had mine since it first came out. It is a very smooth runner. It used much of the original tooling from the 1937 loco (I think that was the year it was introduced). It is a scale model, except for the flanges and couplers. It has puffing smoke, back up light, and the first version of Railsounds. I run mine a lot, even though I have many Legacy locos. Also, it’s drive is similar to the scale Hudson of the 1930’s, which is one of the reasons it runs so smooth. It fits well with post war...
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MNCW ·
Dan, It's a good locomotive, which came out in 1989, using the original prewar tooling. I have one and am glad I bought it. It was used as the "Cover Girl" on the Lionel 1989 Toy Fair catalog. Tom
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Lenny the Lion ·
Yes, it works well, that's the only kind of track I use. You can find a great selection of them on Ebay.
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JohnActon ·
Dan, I bought mine new in 89 and was not happy with the gearing. Guess the thing would run 200 smph. I have a box of brass gears from slot car days and found a pair that would mesh properly. The original gears between the motor shaft and the worm gear shaft were 9T pinion on the motor shaft and a 19T on the worm gear shaft. 2.11 : 1. I can't remember what the tooth count on the gears I replaced the originals with but they raised the ratio to a over 3:1. It made a huge difference in it's...
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Dan Padova ·
Thanks all.
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leapinlarry ·
Yes, this is just prior to TMCC, probably would be a great runner and a nice addition to your collection. I would think it would negotiate great on 022 switches. Let us know if you if you get one of those neat switchers.
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BlueComet400 ·
Congrats, Dan. You'll like it. A friend of mine just bought one a few months ago and he loves it. This is one loco that I'd love to have, but can't justify it as I'm fortunate to have 3 others that are family heirlooms: a prewar 227, a prewar 708 full-scale B6, and a Williams Crown Edition B6. BTW, the OLR switches I bought from you arrived safely. Thanks!! John
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David Johnston ·
I stand corrected. Thank you.
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Tom Shirey ·
Dan....you did well with that buy at 200.00! You will love this model. I've had mine for several years. Got it at York for $250.00......and it's worth it!
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Dan Padova ·
That sounds like a good idea. Let's see how it runs when I get it, then I'll make the decision to change the E-unit.
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Dan Padova ·
You're a bit late, it's on it's way. So I take it the plastic gear would be the axle gear and not the worm gear ?
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Ted Bertiger ·
Bought one at the last April York and love it. Great engine, always wanted one. Cash talks at York on Saturday. Paid $175.
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ns1001 ·
Bought a new one on Ebay about 6 weeks ago and very pleased. Think they first came out in 1939 - is geared to run too fast but prewar locos usually ran fast and it works fine on a MTH Z1000 transformer.
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Murnane ·
Hey @Dan Padova - I love mine, runs fine on my very tight (tubular) tabletop layout with the small switches (O-27 I think). I've taken tons of pictures of mine which can be found here . They can be found on eBay selling between $140-$300, with an average price of about $220, I saw one once listed for $800 believe it or not. I'll try to give mine a run tonight and take a video if I get a chance - and update this post if you'd like.
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Dan Padova ·
I pulled the trigger on a new one listed on Ebay. Got it for $200.00 including shipping. Looking forward to getting it. When we were kids, my brother's loco was the pre-war version. It will be nice having the loco once more, albeit a newer version.
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Balshis ·
I might as well chime in, too. I have one of those B6 switchers that I bought NIB about seven years ago. I use FasTrack, and my tightest curve is 036, but the B6 takes it easily. Smoke and sound are all I could ask for, and it's an excellent runner. All in all, a significant improvement over the original. I'd recommend one to anyone without hesitation.
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Murnane ·
Yeah! After it arrives please feel free to post a picture or two of it onto the weekly Switcher Saturday! Enjoy...Rich
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artfull dodger ·
They are prone to the plastic axle gear splitting, so test run any you look at buying, or ask if the original gear has been replaced
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D500 ·
"Dan, I bought mine new in 89 and was not happy with the gearing." I never owned one, but a friend was considering selling his as he did not like the way it ran. I thought about it as it is historically interesting, but after testing it on my layout, I decided that a 100 smph switcher was not appealing, even historically, for any price he would find acceptable. So, I don't have one. I can't imagine why they made it that way; the old 700E Hudson was well geared, and was a contemporary. And a...
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balidas ·
Started watching that one last night after reading your thread. Nice grab!
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BRIAN WHITE ·
I guess I will chime in as someone else who is a fan of this locomotive. I have had one for about 15 years. I like the look and mine runs and has enough detail for me. I know the wheel spacing is incorrect and details are missing. Today they can be purchased for what I consider really good prices. There was one recently listed for sale on the Buy/Sell section here for a pretty good price, although I can't remember what that was. May still be listed but I'm sure it is pages back now
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David Johnston ·
I am surprised to read this. I though the 18005 was mostly just the prewar 227 switcher with a modern motor and eunit. Many of the parts are interchangeable. Following is a quote from a previous post regarding the gearing on the 227. "Ted, the motor pinion has 9 teeth, the bull on the worm shaft has 19 teeth. That gives a ratio of 2.11 to 1. The worm is a 3 lead worm. The worm wheel has 21 teeth. That would give a gear ratio of 7 to 1. The overall ratio is 14.77 to1. So the armature would...
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joe krasko ·
check out mine.....
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Ted S ·
Haha thanks @David Johnston , you saved me the trouble of searching for that post! Agree with David, the final gear ratio of 14.77 is quite a bit slower than a "regular" postwar steam loco, which are usually geared around 10:1. Of course the scale Hudson is geared at 18:1, but it has MUCH larger driving wheels. Most people don't regard the 773 as a fast runner. One mystery that I never solved... The switcher was introduced in '39 and that year's catalog touts the gear ratio as "20:1". Is...
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JohnActon ·
David Johnston posted:I am surprised to read this. I though the 18005 was mostly just the prewar 227 switcher with a modern motor and eunit. David the 18005 is the 5340 NYC Hudson. The PRR B6 0-6-0 (8977) is 18000
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Jeff2035 ·
An earlier post mentioned the motor starting to turn before the e unit cycled. Sometimes that happened to me so I installed a Dallee electronic e-unit which eliminated the problem and allowed the loco to start at a much lower voltage and run much more smoothly. Maybe that is why I like how mine runs so well.
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JohnActon ·
Jeff, When I bought the B6 in 1989 I was not aware of the Dallee E unit it sure would have been a better fix than 8-10 diodes but a bit more expensive than $2-3 for the diodes. One feature of the Dallee E-unit that I am fond of for an F3 or GP9, Hudson, Mohawk..... is the start in forward (or reverse) after a stop of more than 5-6 sec. But oddly enough I am not all that crazy about it on the B6. I'm just as likely to have cars on either end and also as likely to want to push as pull them and...
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Jeff2035 ·
John, please let us know how you squeezed in the LCRU2 into the B6 and/or tender (which has Railsounds board/speaker).
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nickaix ·
Re: the balky e-unit. I have one of these, and it also had this problem. I found that the drum did not rotate easily, which meant a higher than intended voltage was needed to cycle it, because the finger contacts were putting too much pressure on the drum. I just bent them back a little, until the drum was loose enough to move at 6 volts. Didn't even have to take the e-unit apart. There was still enough pressure on the drum for good electrical contact. Other things to look for might be a...
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JohnActon ·
PieceAcake, I'm gonna loose the e-unit and a chunk of lead. I really did not plan to open the loco just yet but Jeff, just for you ! Attached are three photos you can see the LCRU2 fits on it's side between the gear box and the smoke unit. I will make a new heat sink and put a layer of foam tape on the bottom to hold the thing in place. In one of the photos I am showing the gear box cover I made. The blade of the knife is resting on the cover. I am not going to pull the cover off and count...
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JohnActon ·
Nick, I remember diddling with the e-unit for a couple of days back when the loco was new. It is working as smooth as it possibly can. Remember this e-unit uses a spring to move it's armature back to the rest position in place of gravity and it does take a little more voltage to cycle it. Add to this that the higher gear ratio from 14:1 to well over 20:1 allows the motor to spin much more freely. It starts at a lower voltage and pulls less current. I added lead to the boiler to make use of...
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Murnane ·
video of it running on the Ri.C.H. RR, a couple days later than promised though....
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artfull dodger ·
Wonder if the electronics in the button or the tender are going south Dan? Unfortunatly the electronics will not age well like the rest of the model will. Seeing the same problem with the early sound LGB trains in G scale, lots of failing sound boards as the electronics come to the end of thier life span. I do love the gear ration in my prewar 227 B6, allows for slow and steady speed without stalling on tight 0-31 curves. I do tend to leave the bell turned off, gets annoying after a few min...
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Dan Padova ·
Received my B6 yesterday and had a chance to try it out this afternoon. Beautiful locomotive. Runs very smoothly and the low speed is very good. I hooked up the whistle/bell switch, between my post-war ZW and the track, following the instructions. Unfortunately the bell will not sound. If I slide the switch to the bell position and turn the track power on, the circuit breaker I installed between the transformer and track trips instantly. Reversing the wires doesn't help. The whistle does...
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Ted Bertiger ·
I've run mine at my club with a TPC and a cab-1, with the TPC set at 80 steps. Very smooth running engine and I can start at slower speeds than with just a transformer. Very happy I bought one. Always wanted one from back when they came out. Glad I waited and got one for less than half of what it originally sold for. Dan, enjoy your B-6, cool little switcher. Ted
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JohnActon ·
Dan, I received a Bell / Whistle switch once with another loco that did the same thing. Try removing the B/W switch and just reverse the transformer leads to the track and try the whistle button on the zw that way. If it still trips the breaker it is the board but I kinda doubt it. The components most likely to fail in old electronics are the electrolytic capacitors. It is not a bad idea to swap out the electrolytic caps before they fail. J
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PaperTRW ·
Dan, If you're trying to use the slide switch that came with the B6 to operate the sound, in a word... don't. Those 5904 boxes were only used on the first two RailSounds locos (the B6 and Reading T1) and created more problems than they solved. RailSounds 1 boards will respond to the bell button on your transformer, or any of the 5906 Sound Activation Buttons which were the successor to the 5904. TRW
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brwebster ·
Mine has recently gone through a second upgrade. With much trial and error I was able to install a small can motor in place of the original. After some experimentation it was determined that reusing the brass and nylon gears produced the best results without delving deep into a total rework of the driveline. I installed an ERR cruise commander in the tender to get full benefit from the can motor. Happily, the whole affair works smoothly and quietly (after some shimming) and can crawl...
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brwebster ·
I'll make an effort to learn the trick to posting a video here. Nate also asked for the same on running under my catenary system. Been watching your cat progress with great interest too. I hope my recounting of the upgrade didn't drag things off topic too much. While the engine remained original it was a favorite go to when I felt like operating conventional equipment. Yes, there are better choices for heavy hauling but the little B6 looks best IMO tugging on a short string of cars. As is,...
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Dan Padova ·
Bruce, I must give you credit. That sounds like quite a bit of work. How about a video of it in action. I discovered that can motors don't get along with some post-war equipment. I have two K-Line GG1s. They will not start again when stopped by my #132 Automatic Stop Station. ADCXROB confirmed my suspicion that the can motors resistance was too light to let the station do it's job.
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WANTED: MTH RailKing 30-2188-1, SW 1500 Diesel Switcher in NASA decor

Mike H Mottler ·
I've gathered MTH O-gauge freight car products with NASA decor and am now seeking an appropriate diesel loco for this themed train. Got one? Let's talk. Mike Mottler 501-327-8747 mottlerm@gmail.com
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WANTED: Lionel Genset Switcher

Tanner111 ·
Preferred road names: NS, BNSF, Santa Fe, KCS, Army. Let me know if you have one to sell in good condition with all working features and for a reasonable price
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Mark Zeigler ·
Good morning. I have something you may be interested in. E mail sent. Mark
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Tanner111 ·
I found one so I am no longer looking.
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Re: Issue With Lionel 6-18501 Western Maryland NW-2 Switcher

Dan Padova ·
The locomotive is essentially new, although I bought it as used. The motor brushes are like new. The gear grease is pliable but I cleaned it anyway and added fresh grease to the worm gear and axle gears. I also put a couple drops of oil on the armature wick. On my test track, which is powered by a KW, it works well. I have a good suspicion that my 1033 is tired. I placed a meter on it at the track. With the throttle at full, the meter reads 14.8 volts. I also checked the fixed voltage taps.
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Marty Fitzhenry ·
Dan, I purchased that engine new many years ago and it was not a good runner. It was 1989 or 1990. I did all the mentioned fixes back then and it is what it is. The AC motor used in that engine was not the good PW motor used in the PW NW-2. It was a looker but that was it. A modern transformer may help a bit. This would make a super Timko conversion.
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Issue With Lionel 6-18501 Western Maryland NW-2 Switcher

Dan Padova ·
I have a Lionel 6-18501 NW-2 bell ringer switcher. I believe it's a new release of an old Lionel loco, although the road name was never used back in the day. It seems rather sluggish on my Xmas layout. Pulling four freight cars, one of them is the MTH aquarium car, I am at full throttle with my 1033 transformer but the train crawls along. As I write this I think it could be the 1033, but I will have to check it with a meter. Could there be anything else to look for in the loco, besides...
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ADCX Rob ·
I rarely use mine, it was running the same way until I cleaned out all the old grease and then "pickled" it with Lucas Red 'N' Tacky #2, and Mobil 1 on the oiling points. It runs perfect right out of the box every time now. Also, the 1033 may be on the under powered side with a 16 volt maximum output, although similar sets were furnished with the 1033 back in the 40s-50s. Between lubrication and some break-in time, you will have a diesel that will run great for over 65 years to come.
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Mikado 4501 ·
If you do the two things above, it may be time to change the brushes on the AC Pullmor motor.
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