Raymond Lowey designed the five stripe paint scheme in the early '30s for the GG1. In his words, it was not only aesthetics, but also functional, as anyone working or otherwise, on the tracks could see the cats whiskers coming. So here's my question, Why is it that the cats whiskers on the GG1 curve all the way around and onto the nose of the locomotive, making them visible on the front of the loco ? While on Pennsy's covered wagon diesels, the stripes are visible from the side only. I don't...
the PRR originally maintained two paint schemes for the diesel and electric power: 5 stripe for passenger engines, single stripe for freight engines. eventually that line was blurred (pun intended) and both schemes were found on both uses.
Original Lionel never called their EP5 a "Little Joe" in the postwar era. Lionel/MPC started calling the EP5 a Little Joe for marketing purposes. Also, neither Great Northern nor Milwaukee Road had EP5's. Rusty
I don't know what "covered wagons" you are referring to but, the photos of the earliest "covered wagons" from most of the builders did indeed have the multi-stripes join together on the nose and then drop down to a single point at the anti-climer.
Don't I feel foolish ? Googled Pennsy diesels and low and behold the stripes do come around and onto the noses of most of them. It's amazing how much I don't know any more. Lionel certainly got it wrong with their version of the EP-5. Not only were the stripes incorrect, but the locomotive is nowhere near a Little Joe Electric. Sorry for the fuss. I had better go back to sleep and wake up again. Maybe I never woke in the first place....LOL
Browsing through my railroad photos, I came across this one, which I have viewed many times. It's the Pennsylvania railroad's R1. I had never noticed it before but the body appears to be welded, not riveted as in other photos of R1s. All of the reading I have done on GG1s says that Raymond Lowey decided to have the GG1 body welded for aesthetic reasons, and that it was a first in car body construction. Can someone shed some light on what I may have missed or misinterpreted ?
Ah! Obscure Pennsy electric motors! One of my favorite subjects! The R1 (4-8-4) was a prototype passenger motor designed concurrently with the prototype GG1. It was not chosen for continued production. The DD2 (4-4-0+0-4-4) was a prototype freight motor designed in the late 30's for the projected, but never built, Pittsburgh extension of the electrification. It too was not duplicated.
A bit more searching brought this kid bit to light. One wonders why GG1s were not considered for the electrification extension project to Pittsburgh. "The Pennsylvania Railroad's class DD2 electric locomotive was a single prototype locomotive never placed into series production. It was intended as an improved and simplified GG1 for use on the planned, but never built, extension of the PRR's electrification west of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. The one locomotive produced was numbered #5800...
Dan, On the assumption your interest is the PRR, I suggest you invest in a copy of the late Al Staufer's "Pennsy Power III". Most everything PRR is covered, and there are a wealth of pictures. The book is about 1 1/2" thick. Al used to set up at York, not sure if his son continues the practice. Simon
I took a number of photos of 5800 in Baltimore. It was, as the above states, used as a freight helper through B&P tunnel which was just west of the passenger station. As Mr. Padova's earlier photo shows, it looked like a slightly shorter GG1 with no stripes, different lettering placement, grilles,etc. Between runs it was kept on one of the tracks heading up the Northern Central.
I'll second that advice. Be aware that, like other Pacifics, a K4 is not a huge locomotive. A scale K4 will look at home with some post war or traditional sized equipment like Irvington/Madison cars. You can read up on the MTH, Lionel, K-Line and K-Line derived Lionel K4s here: https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...otive-guide-pacifics
So if I were looking for a K4, in semi-scale ( A whole 'mother subject already discussed elsewhere ) what would I look for. Basically, I would like to find one, manufacturer doesn't matter, that looks right with Lionel's GG1, the semi-scale or traditional version, whichever you prefer. It doesn't have to be new. It has to be able to run on a conventional layout. And last but not least, it can't break the bank.
For semi-scale (like the GG1), why not the postwar Lionel 675. You can get a nice one for about $150. Mine has been chugging smoke for many years, and is currently under the tree. I have it pulling the MTH Rail King Madison cars (detailed interiors that hold the passengers that I added).
This is the Rail King K4s, and it is a low cost great runner with PS2. Running in the conventional mode, the Rail King K4s will give you many of the PS2 / PS3 features including sounds, smoke, and remote rear coupler operation.
I had the PS2 RK Imperial K4. Sold it on the forum but wish I kept it (needed the $$$ at the time). Super nice engine. If you can find the Imperial RK K4 from 2011/2012 or so, consider jumping on it. If complete accuracy and extra details aren't a "must-have" for you, consider a Postwar 2025/675/etc. It is a 2-6-2 but has the K4 look. I bought one, in beautiful condition, for about $160. Runs like a Swiss watch!
And I will second Ted's advice. I currently have an MTH Premier K4 running on my Christmas layout pulling a non scale Christmas consist. It looks fine to me. My Premier Reading T1 looks a bit out of place with the same consist. The consist is all modern though (LTI and newer). This photo is not the quality of some but it gets the point across. Tony
Well, I don't know either. I tried finding 5401 on the roster here but couldn't find it listed. There are a great number of K4's on this page(and 5401 should have been right there). Maybe browse around and see if anything else is similar(unless you have already seen this resource). http://www.rrpicturearchives.n...px?id=PRR&Page=8 I found this site some time ago while looking up NYC Hudson's. They have a pretty impressive collection of pics on there of locomotives as well as rolling...
Found this on Shorpy.com . It's a 1929 view of the brand new "Senator" at Washington Union Station. Engine 5401 seems to have a bit of decoration that I haven't seen before on a Pennsy engine. Note the keystone plates on the valve heads above the pistons. I wonder if they dressed her that way just for this maiden run. Also, note the absence of catenary. This was pre-electrification. Clicking on the image will enlarge it to its full (enormous) size. I'm pretty sure that freshly scrubbed look...
I'm selling an MTH 3 rail Pennsy SD-45. It is in like new condition with the box, packing and paperwork. It has the electro couplers, sound, and smoke. I bought it about a year ago planning to convert it to 2 rail. I didn't realize it was the older drive that doesn't have the drop in 2 rail wheels. I test ran it and it works fine. It has maybe 5 minutes of operation on it. The only thing wrong with it is the engineer figure is loose in the shell. It came loose when ti turned the engine...
This engine is still available.... I have been unable to return a few emails inquiries. The emails keep being returned as undeliverable. If you are interested in it email me at.... firstname.lastname@example.org Dave
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