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Fixed Pilot and Scale Coupler installed on FM Erie Built

Steven Michael ·
I just finished installing a scale coupler and fix pilot on my Atlas O Erie Built. Yesterday I put on the included pilot as it came with the cover over the coupler hole, but I realized it stuck out way too far, and we run them in freight service so it shouldn't be on there anyway. Today my dad ran up to the hobby store and got a pack of Kadees to put on it. I removed the screw that holds the cover onto the pilot. I then built up the mounting pad with three sheets of styrene, not sure how...
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Re: Fixed Pilot and Scale Coupler installed on FM Erie Built

rtr12 ·
Nice job, looks good!
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Former Member ·
Looks much better. Go a step further by cutting the trip pin off and add a nice air hose with glad hand to the pilot.
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Re: Fixed Pilot and Scale Coupler installed on FM Erie Built

Steven Michael ·
That's the plan! Where is the best place could I order one? I was just going to look at the exploded parts diagram of my new ES44s and order one from Lionel, but I am sure there are better ones out there.
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Re: Fixed Pilot and Scale Coupler installed on FM Erie Built

Former Member ·
I usually grab one from my parts bin. When I convert cars to Kadees I save all those air hoses. I like the MTH air hoses because they are much thinner and have a nicer glad hand than the Atlas part. I also use PSC air hoses and glad hands with real rubber hose... but usually its the MTH air hose.
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Re: Fixed Pilot and Scale Coupler installed on FM Erie Built

Steven Michael ·
Thanks for the information. You have a part number for the MTH ones?
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Re: Fixed Pilot and Scale Coupler installed on FM Erie Built

CentralFan1976 ·
Awesome! Since my Erie-built was a cob job, I had to fab the Kadee shim for the rear of my unit, but luckily the donor had sent me the 2-rail pilot with the coupler cover door.
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Former Member ·
No I dont have an MTH part #. Whatever air hose they put on all the trucks for their 3 rail cars. It just pops off the truck, and then I cut the mount off.
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Re: Fixed Pilot and Scale Coupler installed on FM Erie Built

Steven Michael ·
Uh oh, looks like they did use the covers in freight service! Oh well, I still like the look of the knuckle better. I'll think about it...
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Re: Fixed Pilot and Scale Coupler installed on FM Erie Built

Norm Charbonneau ·
Good job! I like those engines. I had them in NYC but sold them off a few years ago. Wouldn't mind finding the PRR ones someday.
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Re: Fixed Pilot and Scale Coupler installed on FM Erie Built

Norm Charbonneau ·
I think the exposed coupler looks way better! That cover is too bulky looking, real or model..
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CentralFan1976 ·
I'm looking for a coupler cover, if you'd like to shed yours! ��
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Steven Michael ·
I agree, the thing would've stuck out two feet if it were real...
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Keystoned Ed ·
Most of the first generation PRR road diesels were initially fitted with coupler covers to minimize issues when colliding with vehicles. Around the 1954/5 time frame they began to be removed as the units were shopped. I agree that the coupler covers on the FM diesels are particularly clunky looking. That's a good looking railroad Steven Michael, you are very fortunate to have a true SPF for a Dad and mentor. Ed Rappe
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Lionel 2-truck Shay derailment problem

hearncl ·
There were several posts about this a couple of years ago, but nothing more recent that I could find. The problem is that on tight curves, the footboards attached to the Shay rear pilot beam interfere with the swing of the rear coupler, causing derailment of the attached car. I just obtained a West Side Lumber legacy Shay which has this problem, which I've temporarily solved by removing the pilot beam. It looks like cutting away the inner footboard supports would allow enough coupler swing,...
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Not other than cutting away some of the structure. I have the Legacy two-truck Shay, but I haven't run it on tight curves.
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J Daddy ·
You may be able to find the original K line parts that allows the coupler to swing on tighter curves.
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Joe S ·
There is an extension bracket that K-Line made for the Shays. One was used at each end of the engine to extend the coupler about half an inch, and allow a greater swing. Lionel chose not to make this part when they reissued the Shay. I believe that someone on the Forum had replacements manufactured (but I may be remembering this incorrectly). Cutting away part of the pilot beam actually sounds like a good solution if it will permit greater swing of the coupler. It may look better than the...
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Re: Lionel 2-truck Shay derailment problem

hearncl ·
I'd like to try this, but not on the original part. (There's some chance I'd make a mess of it.) Since Lionel is apparently out of this part, does anyone have a suggestion on where to look for a replacement pilot beam?
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gunrunnerjohn ·
It was discussed about making the parts, but I don't think it ever happened. I may regret not saving the information.
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TrainingDave ·
What P/N from Lionel is it?
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D500 ·
It's the curves, not the locomotive. Physics. A curve that is so tight that a Shay (I have this loco - that is, when it was sold as K-line; same piece) and/or its rolling stock can't handle it is just too, too tight. Don't butcher the loco; fix the problem.
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hearncl ·
Lionel lists parts for all the 2-truck legacy Shay road names, of which there are a lot. I had checked the part availability for my model, West Side Lumber #5. The part number for the Pilot Beam w/Footboards, color Oxide, is 610-1235-071, unavailable. However, I discovered that this part is available for some of the other road names, under P/N 610-1233-071, color Black. I think they are all the same part, just different colors. I will order one of the black ones and hope that I can match the...
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TrainingDave ·
Well it is die-cast and they probably have limited qty of them. You could always wait until the warehouse sale in Nov. when parts are 50% off.
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Pine Creek Railroad ·
HearnCL, I posted pictures of the modification job I did on my Legacy Shay for all to see quite some time ago, do an OGR Search they should still be there for you to see. Once you modify the stairs the 2 Truck Legacy Shay will accommodate 036 curves correctly pulling what ever rolling stock you so desire. PCRR/Dave
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hearncl ·
Yes, that is a beautiful job, but beyond my mechanical ability I'm afraid. How did you cut off the steps and re-fasten them to the pilot beam?
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

richtrow ·
This is what I had planned on doing form my all my GP / SD units. Glad to see someone is actually doing it. By the time I get around to that project, chances are I'll be able to buy them on Shapeways!
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AGHRMatt ·
Following the thread, so my order for three pairs will probably go in about five minutes after I open the E-mail notification. Keep us posted. Given EMD's habit of re-using existing components, I suspect the pilots will be a close fit for other modern "M" series engines.
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

Mike DeBerg ·
Eric, Looking great! I thought I recall you saying that the MU, air lines and cut levers are now separate? Are you thinking you might add a tie or holder for the extra MU hose (yellow) you are showing? Are you going to add any rivet detail on the lower sheet for the rear pilot?
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

Laidoffsick ·
When you installed the pilot on your Williams engine, what did you use to "bond" it to the chassis/frame? I like the fact that the couplers are screwed into the frame, because they have to be to pull a sizeable load, or even used in a consist with other powered engines.
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

theteejmiester ·
Yes! Yes! Yes! Very cool.
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Jeff78rr ·
I really like this, and what an excellent model to do this upgrade to. How much are these going to cost, hoping they are available for re-sale? Thanks!
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clem k ·
I like this thread ! however I already have most my pilots fixed. Sure could use some help on 3 MTH Genesis. Clem
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richtrow ·
Glad to hear the design has the coupler screws going up into the frame. I would be concerned about the load on the plastic alone. So what is Shapeways Frosted Ultra Detail Acrylic like? Is it flexible? Brittle? I wonder how it would hold up in an accident or derailment, especially since it's bonded to the frame. Mounting it with screws would allow you to swap out a replacement if it was damaged, where as the glue-mount might be a real mess to do a second time. I'm not trying to be critical,...
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

AGHRMatt ·
Forgot about the updates in the Premier line. Good advice on using plastic coupler boxes with the 3/2 engines. My SD24's are the original Premier and used the same truck blocks as the SD9's.
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

thor73 ·
Ah, the fun stuff! Who doesn't love rivets? I added them on the GP9 pilot as sort of a proof of concept, to see how they looked when printed. But when I looked at a bunch of pics for the SD90 pilot, I didn't' see any. For example: http://www.railpictures.net/im.../5452.1239945437.jpg http://www.railpictures.net/im.../4235.1093403940.jpg http://www.railpictures.net/im.../3296.1218412585.jpg So I chose not to add any. I do want to improve the detail on the cut lever mounting, so I may add some...
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

AGHRMatt ·
I really like this -- cleaner than cutting down the die cast pilot and merging it to a spacer. I especially like that the coupler mounts to the steel chassis as opposed to the body. Are these going to be available for sale? I have a pair of SD9043's that would really look nice with these in place. I have an odd mix of MTH (FP45, SD45, SD60, GP9, GP20, GP30, FT, SW1500, H10-44, SD9, SD24, C40-8) and Atlas (B40-8, B40-8W) locomotives I don't run that often if you need to borrow some Guinea...
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

Mike DeBerg ·
Eric, Fantastic! I Like the idea of separate details a lot as well as the detail you're building in to these. Looking forward to working with them.
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thor73 ·
Nothing fancy, just gap-filling CA glue. I did prep the surfaces pretty carefully, though - sanded to remove any high spots and to give the surfaces some roughness, followed by an acetone wipe. Stuff is wicked strong with good surface prep.
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

suzukovich ·
They maybe in real life but there is a difference between the MTH SD9 and SD24 if you look in my thread on the SD24 and the SD45 it will show you what I had to do for a kadee conversion. https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...73#61965511445937073 . The MTH RK SD9 pilot is the same for the RK Scale SD45. The Premier SD45 2/3R is the same pilot used in the Premier 2/3R SD24. The RK use a different powered truck . The RK coupler mount is farther back then the premier which has the 2/3R powered truck...
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

jonnyspeed ·
Nice job. This needs to be done for every MTH, Lionel, and Atlas diesel IMHO since they won't offer the parts.
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

Rich Montague ·
Wow! Very nice. I also like your concept for mounting everything. Kudos especially for modeling the actual prototype pilot (unique to the SD 80s and 90s) and not simply fabricating a "full" version of the pilot supplied with the model (a re-used SD 60 pilot). Consider making the holes for the handrails smaller, maybe 0.20. Some of use finer wire for full handrails, and newer MTH models are closer to that. The modeler can enlarge them if heavier wire is used. I dabble in UP and broke down and...
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

suzukovich ·
Just updated my thread for older Premier SD24. I also covered the SD9/45 which share the same pilots. To be honest. If he can do MTH SD9s/24/45, Alco C628/630, and GP30/9 that would make life easier. I defintly like the idea of body mounted Kadees. https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...73#61965511445937073
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CentralFan1976 ·
Awesome. What I really need are the Lionel ALCo RS-11 and FM H16-44 pilots, with steps... The Lionel ones just aren't up to task. I can add my own cut levers.
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

suzukovich ·
Funny with that I took a look at my Weaver RS11. The pilot turns out although less detailed, did have a correct pilot as in the above pics.
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

suzukovich ·
That really came out great. Thank you for your effort and time. A lot of work but worth it.. Your defiantly filling a void. So what's next?
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Re: Kadee Conversion - 3d printed pilots for MTH SD90MAC

Laidoffsick ·
That is one awesome pilot!
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AGHRMatt ·
This really looks promising. Keep us updated.
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