Tagged With "Ross Standard Gauge Switch"

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Re: 22.5* crossover

rrman ·
The crossing Bakelite center is marked " Lionel Corp 020 X crossing New York" It is probably early post (pre?) war era, as it was in the standard orange and cream color box.
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Ross RTM 125M outside rails connections?

rrman ·
I have these already installed and ballasted so hard to undo to verify connections. Are the outside rails linked electrically, or are they separate? How is the frog connected to these rails? In other words does changing to points position to diverting short one outside rail to other? Reason is if I can run a signal block through the switch (short outside rails for detection) and keep the outside rails separate. Or does the frog permanently short both outside rails, meaning I would have to...
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Re: Ross Custom Tinplate versus Gargraves Phantom switches

Tony_V ·
I just built my first layout with Gargraves track. I used both Gargraves switches and Ross Switches. I prefer the Ross switches. I used Gargraves for their standard O42 turnouts. The straight through section is quite a bit shorter than the equivalent Ross switch. However, I later found out that the straight through on the Ross switch can be cut. Because it was done, I didn't go back to see if I could get the Ross switch to fit in the space I had to work with. What I found important (and this...
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Re: Signal Bridge with Ross SG Switch

navy.seal ·
Arno, I really like the operating signal bridge. As you know I own a homemade signal bridge for which I purchased four sets of the circular light fixture parts from MTH to make it operational. I now need to add those parts and wiring to the signal bridge below. Any recommendations? For those without neat signal bridges like yours, I should note that LGB does make the operational lighted turnout lantern below that can be attached directly to the LGB switch motor on a Ross Standard Gauge...
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Re: Kadee couplers on 042 curves?

CNJ #1601 ·
Hey Todd, check out the two videos below showing that Kadees can be successfully used on O-42 MTH RealTrax. The first video is a forward move, when coupler slack is stretched out...and second one is a reverse move when the slack is “bunched”. As you will see, pulling forward is no problem whatsoever. The cars do get much closer together (but don’t touch!) on the reverse move. All boxcars shown in the video are scale 40’ cars with body-mounted Kadee 740-series couplers with standard-length...
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Ross Standard Gauge Switch anti-derail

George S ·
Hello, i am am thinking about getting a couple of Ross Standard Gauge switches.  Can they be wired for anti-derail, and if so, how?  I am not sure how to do it, since the switch machines are LGB and use DC power.  I could not find instructions on the Ross website. Thanks, George
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Re: Ross Custom Tinplate versus Gargraves Phantom switches

Tony_V ·
So first, I would not use Gargraves "flex" track for anything other than a custom curve. The standard straight and O72 curves are what you want to stick with in general. Regarding the look, I've built a layout with tubular track, cork roadbed and rubber ties. IMHO, Gargraves looks quite a bit better. Whether it is worth the additional expense for the look is a question only you can answer. Another thing to consider is the hight difference of the rails when mixing Ross and tubular, especially...
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Re: Ross Standard Gauge Switch anti-derail

totrainyard ·
Power needs to be cut off to switch coils after turnout is set to route. Lionel & MTH uses wiping fingers contracts on Standard Gauge switches to do this. Switch attached to points throwbar could be add to the Ross switch throwbar. A stalling motor type switch motor like tortoise can not burn out and maybe the best choice. Atlas O sells a electronic board to also prevent burnouts, that may work with standard gauge switches with twin coil mechs.
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Re: Signal Bridge with Ross SG Switch

moderneraSG ·
I'm sorry for the delay RoyBoy, it took me a couple days to get down to the train room. I am pretty certain the brown cars were not made from the Marx cars. First off, they are Standard Gauge and that pretty much says enough for me. The cars are neatly done homemade cars. Whoever made them did a nice job with them. They made two different versions, one with a conventional roof and the other with a sleek rounded roof. They all share the same basic construction and materials with small changes...
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Re: Ross RTM 125M outside rails connections?

Susan Deats ·
Ross Ready switches have outside rails wired together. This may help.
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Re: Ross RTM 125M outside rails connections?

rrman ·
Susan, thanks for info. Back to drawing board!
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22.5* crossover

rrman ·
I have an old Lionel 22.5* tinplate crossover on my layout. Unfortunately the outside rails are attached to a steel base making it unusable in my signal system, ie train wheels have to short the outside rails to give a signal occupancy indication, but the steel base of course defeats this. Ross makes a 22.5* crossover but its not tinplate, though I understand there maybe Ross track to O gauge adapter pins available. The Ross site does not show how its crossover outside rails are connected...
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Re: 22.5* crossover

Serenska ·
I haven't dealt with a 22.5° crossover, but I once solved a similar problem with a 90° crossing with a stamped steel base. Before I go into it, would you please let us know the Catalog No. of this item or, better, post a picture (both top and bottom)? I'm not sure I understand what you're working with. Steven J. Serenska
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Re: 22.5* crossover

Tom Tee ·
Call Steve @ Ross.
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Re: 22.5* crossover

Tracker John ·
Do you mean the 45 degree x-over? I've never seen a 22.5 tinplate (had to build it).
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Re: 22.5* crossover

BlueComet400 ·
There are mating pins available, which will solve the issue of mating Ross and Lionel track. I'd still recommend contacting Steve about tinplate compatibility. He has told me his switches, even Rossplate, aren't compatible with tinplate trains but I don't know about his crossings. Steve is a good guy and you'll get an honest answer from him. John
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Re: Ross Standard Gauge Switch anti-derail

BlueComet400 ·
Hi George, Did you ever have any success with making the SG switches non-derailing? I'd love to add that feature to mine as well. John
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WTB Ross curved switches

Steve Parham ·
Need several Ross curved switches. One curve must be 72 or larger, left and right.Prefer Z 1000 motors. Also need Z 1000 switch motors.
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Non derailing ROSS wiring/DCS

Tom McGriel ·
Can one ground the derail control rails on the same rail that carries the DCS common throughout when the switch machines are powered by a ZW and the entire layout is powered by a Z 4000? The Switch motors are Z 1000; track is Gargraves and the turnouts are Ross.
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MTH K4 engine derailing on Ross switch

Dale K ·
I just bought a new MTH Railking K4 steam engine (30-1743-1), and discovered that it derails on my nearly-new Ross 042 switches - even at very slow speeds (3-5 mph). It runs great everywhere else. What happens is the pilot truck makes it past the switch frog ok, but the lead driver climbs over the frog. I have run 3 other engines over these switches with no issues. The new K4 is rated for 031 curves, so I don't think the radius shouldn't be the problem. Any ideas what might be causing this...
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Re: DCS problem with 027 switch #5122

ADCX Rob ·
Run center rail jumper wires around the switch, to all three "legs" - that's about all you can do. If that fixes the problem, the center rail solder joints have broken or gone cold inside, a permanent fix requiring drilling out rivets to disassemble/remove the bottom plate.
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Re: Ross Double Slips with DZ2500 Sw machines.

MED ·
Still need some help with this? I have on of these DS on my layout, but have not wired for derailing yet. As normal, you need insulated rail sections, so the the DS, you need 4 isolated rail sections, one for each "arm" of the DS. I have added in red the area where you need the 4 isolated rail sections in the DS diagram from Ross. To each isolated rail section, you need to solder a wire that will reach either of the two DZ2500 switch machines of the DS. I don't have power to my DS at the...
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Re: Re: Ross 175 Double Cross Over

CAPPilot ·
MONTEB53, I have a hard time following Ross's (and Z-Stuffs) diagrams so I built new ones that are somewhat easier for me to follow. Even though this is for the DZ-2500 machines and not the DZ-1000s, how the relay is hooked up is the same. Maybe it will help. You may only need the diamond powered for your trains to cross. I power my diamond from a wire from the center rail. If the engine still stalls after the diamond is powered, you need rails '1' and rails '2' powered. To ensure you have...
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Re: Re: Ross 175 Double Cross Over

MonteB53 ·
Thanks for the suggestions, the wiring instructions were included with the switch but with my limited wiring experience it all seems like a foreign language. It's much more complicated that the simple Lionel lock on, please tell me that it is worth it in the long run. My wife keeps asking when I am going to get to enjoy running the trains instead of wiring the track.
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Re: Re: Ross 175 Double Cross Over

BobbyD ·
First, is the diamond powered? Our biggest problem is not the switch or the pick-up roller spacing. Rather it is loss of common due to blind wheels and rubber tires on the locomotives. As mentioned you can wire all the rails up prior to installation and test. You may discover not needing the relays to power the various dead rails after all. We have even just cut a few of the relay power wires after having some issues with the DZ2500's not throwing all the way internally and causing shorts...
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Re: Re: Ross 175 Double Cross Over

Joe Fauty ·
Monte: Please see attached file. I put this together to help me wire my cross over for non-derail and powering the diamonds. Non-derail is easy - isolated track and one wire to the switch machine. Powering the diamond rails is more complicated. It involves using a 1008 relay to turn power on and off depending on the direction the locomotive is going. Hopefully this file wiring diagram will be easier to follow. Joe
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Re: Re: Ross 175 Double Cross Over

MonteB53 ·
Finally trying to finish up the wiring on the Ross Double Crossover, have all switch machines working properly. Have not properly wired the 1008 relay because still losing power on the diamond when set in crossover, works fine in default. The double crossover came pre-wired so only have to wire one side of the diamond. Currently have the pre-wired section on the left side, and wired the right side with white wire going to the #2 rail and the gray to the #1 rail. (Not sure if it matters of...
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Re: Re: Ross 175 Double Cross Over

Moonman ·
Does that answer(in RED above) imply that all of track is on one power supply? It doesn't appear like the issue is losing the hot with those engines. it is a track wiring issue. I would suggest disconnecting the transformer connection, remove all engines and cars from the track and perform continuity testing around the cross-over in Ohms mode. All center rails should across track joints and the crossover should read infinity. Then, check the outside rails. Outside rail to outside rail should...
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Re: Re: Ross 175 Double Cross Over

MonteB53 ·
Thanks for your suggestions, finally had some time today to work on the switch. Have not completed the continuity test because I misplaced my tester; plan to buy a new one tomorrow. Disconnected the 1008 relay and now 2 of my locomotives, (new Lionel Berkshire 765 Legacy and older Odyssey Blue Comet), work fine when going across the switch in all directions. The Lionel Legacy Heavy Mikado works fine most of the time, occasionally it loses volume when crossing the switch but it does not...
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Re: Switch track lanterns

Tom Tee ·
On my long switch motor control runs I use 14 ga stranded, No problem. A 30 foot pair run is really 60' of circuit travel.
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Re: Switch track lanterns

clem k ·
John only the first in line burn't out. Thats the second one that failed, after the first failure I reduced power. I want to put these in my frieght yard, but i'm having trouble with three how am I going to do 12 ? You can see each one in line gets dimmer. I have two other peninsulas to wire and the far end of those are dim also, almost can't see the last in line. I would have thought a Z1000 would power all the lights of the layout. the other Z1000 does just fine powering all the lights of...
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Re: Switch track lanterns

PLCProf ·
It would help if you could post a diagram of exactly how your lights and transformer are wired. Don't leave anything out, especially the stuff that "can't be the problem." Are you using a common or track return, or are all the lamps on a dedicated pair of wires? If the lamps are all identical, and the voltages throughout the system are the same, they should light the same. Something is escaping attention here.
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Re: Switch track lanterns

clem k ·
I have the #50 Ross Custom Switch stands. I bought these 24 pcs. over a period of ten years or more so maybe during all that time, the light bulbs came from different places. I noticed that all of them have a clear focusing lens over the color lens, maybe some of the focusing lens are not quite put in even. They actually do shine a focused beam,really cool. Measured the voltage at the initial terminal strip and the end of each of the three runs, each appears to be, by my gauge, right at...
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Re: Switch track lanterns

clem k ·
John ....................I'll have 9 of those switch stands when I'm done with the yard. I don't know how well they work with a snap action switch, I use tortoise. Feet............. there is a set screw that holds the lantern on, thats the easy part, disconnecting the tiny wires from your power is whats hard, then just pull the light bulb out. Feeding the tiny wires through the roadbed and reconnecting is also difficult. I'm going to solder 20 gauge solid strand wire to the light bulb leads...
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Re: Switch track lanterns

feet ·
Thanks Clem.
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Re: Ross 175 Double Cross Over

MonteB53 ·
I am fairly new to the hobby, just upgraded my track from Lionel to Garagraves and switches from Lionel to Ross. Ran 16 gauge bus wiring with track connections about every 8'. Running TMCC and having difficulty trying to figure out the wiring for the Ross 175, the engines run fine when they run straight through the switch, but lose power briefly at the diamond when I use the crossover. My transformer is a ZW with 2 135's. Do not plan to wire the z1000's until the 175 works properly. Any...
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Ross Custom Switches

Tunnel Inn Mike ·
Trackwork has been completed, and the following items are available. Prices listed do not include shipping from Southeastern PA. All items will be shipped via Priority Mail and fully insured. 1) #175 double crossover never used - $275.00 2) Two (2) #4 Three Way Switches never used - $175.00 each 3) #241 LH #8 Curved Switch (like new) radii of 0120-096 - $75.00 4) #231 LH #6 Curved Switch (like new) radii of 096-072 - $65.00 5) #161 LH Curved Swith (like new) - $45.00 6) Two 11 degree...
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Switch (Turnout) Problem

lehighline ·
My layout has a mix of Ross Custom and GG switches. These are all the straight sided 100/101 series. My MTH 44 tonners have difficulty going through the straight side of at least one of my Ross switches. They have no trouble (so far) with the turnout side. The engine gets so far and just shuts down. When I tipped it to see where the rollers were, one appeared to be touching both the center rail and the running rail. If that is indeed the case, then I have a short and an explanation. If I run...
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DCS problem with 027 switch #5122

paul4653 ·
I am building a large layout with 6 loops. Running exclusively DCS.  Using  Gargraves track with mostly Gargraves and Ross switches . All loops are interconnected.  Small loop is 027 track with one 027 #5122 switch. So ... everything works fine EXCEPT when running the 027 #5122 switch ... apparently lose signal and engine stops. Any suggestions or comments?  Any help from you o gauge professionals would be great. Thank you.
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Signal Bridge with Ross SG Switch

moderneraSG ·
I am slowly getting my train layout populated with accessories and such. One piece I wanted to hook up was a homemade signal bridge I picked up a few years back (vintage homemade accessories are featured on my layout). I wanted it to signal the switch position of my Ross switch, the only one that does any sort of switching on the layout (the other is just a pass-thru switch). The main switch alternates the main line between two different loops Remembering that David (aka: hojack) once...
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Ross Custom Tinplate versus Gargraves Phantom switches

Oscar ·
I am working on rebuilding my layout due to moving into a new to us house. I have been doing some research on switches as I run 98% post war and conventional equipment. The problem is the sliding shoes on some engines and a few of my cars. My old layout had only O22 switches and O31 curves. Now I want minimum O72. Sommerfelds Trains of Butler, WI let me take home a couple of switches to test out. (very kind of them) I wheeled very slowly a couple of cars through both switches and operated...
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Ross switch problem

HardflipSal ·
I have a right hand O42 ross custom switch that has an issue when a engine or a car pass through the curved portion. Everytime something goes through the curve it overloads my power and sparks, I've been trying to figure this out for a long time but I can't seem to find the problem. It works fine through the straight portion of the switch so I think the problem would be in the curved section somewhere. If anybody know a way to fix this I would greatly appreciate it. 
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Switch track lanterns

clem k ·
Having an issue withe little switch track lanterns you get from Ross. I'm powering them with a Z1000 through the variable throttle, parallel wiring, run of thirty feet, 18gauge. the lights closest to the power burn brighter than the ones at the end of run. What can I do to make them all the same brightness. This power supply just does lights, plenty of power for the job. I don't want a separate power supply for each different type of light bulb. Thank you clem
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Ross L/H 072/096 Curved Switch

britrailer ·
I'm looking for a serviceable Ross 231, 231M or 231M25 072/096 curved switch. If you have one you'd like to sell or trade please contact me at frankwyatt65@gmail.com Thanks
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I have ties, I have spikes, now what?

Basil ·
I need to change out some ties on some Ross switches. The switches were previously used with under-layout machines and I'm going to use dz-1000s. The long ties that would usually hold the dz switch machine was cut off as it was unnecessary for the previous owner. My dilemma is that the Ross track ties are pretty hard and the spikes are tiny! How does one go about applying them? I'd really like to use the ties, but I'm about to the point of giving up and gluing the ties on!
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Ross Switch Ideas for my situation??

BobRoyals ·
Good Day, I am in the planning phase and have a smaller (18'x5') loop of 42" radius Gargraves that will be the initial focus of the layout. I have a longer running loop of O72 (32'x11). I do not want to do a crossover switch as I'd like the loops to join with enough distance to add a station siding on the O42 loop that is long enough to fit a six car passenger train. Thus, the #6 and #8 switches are too long. Would I be cool to do this with two pair of 11 degree or #4 switches so long as the...
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Parallel sidings for Ross #8 switches

Lion L 226E ·
Hello All, Question #1: I am building a TMCC layout for the holidays using a couple of Ross #8 switches to make sidings off the main line. What is the formula for calculating the amount of "curve" one needs to get back to a parallel siding? Straights are too straight, and curves curve too much! I've heard flex track mentioned but know nothing about it. I'd like the siding to be around 4 to 5" CTC from the main line. Question #2: If I use DZ2500 switch machines, is the function of the DZ1000...
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Command Control Compatibility with Ross Switches

USCG52 ·
Not sure if this is the right forum to post this question but... In determining which track/switch combination to use I get that it is mainly a matter of personal preference for one reason or another. What I don't hear much about is the compatibility of using Ross Custom Switches with Lionel Command Control and Legacy systems (how it works, what other electronics are needed, how well do they function, etc.) I'm in the early stages of layout design and will be blending my post-war train and...
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WTB Ross 4 way yard switch # 170. New or good used OK.

hclark6345 ·
WTB Ross 4 way yard switch # 170. New or good used OK. Will pay with Paypal friends and family. email in profile
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Re: Parallel sidings for Ross #8 switches

Boilermaker1 ·
#8s for sidings? thats my kinda layout... but sadly i have no room for that. A #8 frog is just a tad over 7 degrees, so you'll need to match that if you want to get back to parallel. You can either cut a huge curve down or flex track it. Steve at Ross makes transition tracks for the Ross Regular 100 and 101 switches at different track centers, I dont think he makes them for any other switches but its worth a call to see what he can do. The data driver is a DZ2001, not a 1000 and you need one...
 
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