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Want MTH 20-67147 City Of Portland (Smooth) Vista Dome

Susan Deats ·
MTH 20-67147 2010 Catalogue 70' ABS Vista Dome Passenger Car (Smooth) - Union Pacific Car Number/Name - 8008, City Of Portland
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PSAP2010 ·
Hi Susan, I just picked up one via eBay from Trainz. It’s actually an uncataloged dealer appreciation item in the blue box. I also recently bought the two matching two car sets. An interesting thing about these cars is the paint has a glossy finish instead of the normal MTH flat semi-gloss. Larry
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L&N Louisville & Nashville MTH Full Length Vista Dome 20-67111 WTB

FlyMichael21 ·
Hey guys, I am looking for MTH 20-67111, an L&N 70' Full Length Vista Dome Car. Thanks in advance! Michael Email in profile.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rocky Mountaineer ·
That is a HUGE disappointment. I guess that'll be yet another customization project folks will need to tackle with these cars... perhaps the same time they add passengers to the interiors. I'm not sure what I'd do if it were me. Given that it's not just the "one" Vista dome car, but FOUR... I'd almost be inclined to return them to my dealer. I'm expecting my Texas Special set to arrive tomorrow (Tuesday), and I think that set is supposed to have just one Vista Dome... so it won't be AS big...
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N&W 1218 ·
The more I think about the dome lighting the more it grinds my gears. This is a special set, my Dad worked for the Wabash. I'm keeping it but I won't be buying the UP set to go behind the 8444. I'll be getting with cJack and he'll help me put lights where there are none!
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bob2 ·
If I were paying extra to ride in a dome and they kept the lights on I would be ****ed.
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Boilermaker1 ·
So in both of the pictures you posted of individual cars, the rear end of the dome isnt sitting flush on the roof... Forget the lights, whats up with that?
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Pat Kn ·
Beautiful set. The unlighted dome would bug me too. Enjoy them.
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J Daddy ·
What a beautiful set. Adding a few lights to the dome area should be easy. Bummer about the domes vs. prototype. Why not the Excursion UP cars? I just put my order in.
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nw2124 ·
WHAT A MESS! The Wabash was an all dome train and there is only one dome and incorrect at that! I believe Lionel just took those that ordered one. Time for Golden Gates to step up and show how it should be done. Why do modelers keep buying projects that are half *** done. Stephen
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

J Daddy ·
Or Atlas? This car looks similar to the CZ end dome.
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Charlie ·
Off the top of my head, the three items that stand out as needing attention are the following: 1, Domes are incorrect, should be Budd type (rounded) vs, P-S (which the Bluebird did add later, but only one). Actually, maybe by mistake, the dome is a pretty good version of the P-S add on. 2, The observation car roof end is not correct. The end light should be raised and not recessed and the roof panels were very visible, not smooth like in the model. 3, Ride height seems even higher than other...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rusty Traque ·
4, The dome on the observation is in the wrong location. 5, It may be just me, but it looks like the domes also fit poorly. Rusty
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Rusty Traque ·
As the dome itself is a separate piece, it costs just as much to do it right as it does to do it wrong. Imagine if these domes show up on the UP excursion set? Rusty
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Rapid Transit Holmes ·
The lack of bright dome lighting is prototypical. Though coach domes were generally not extra fare, the railroads had the good sense not to over-illuminate them. Having ridden the MILW, GN and CB&Q domes, it is my recollection that there was theater type floor lighting for the same reasons. Having just finished a project to modify a MTH Super Dome, I replicated that lighting effect by drilling holes in the floor of the dome, in the aisle adjacent to every other seat, to admit light from...
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Rusty Traque ·
And yet Lionel cranked out a fairly decent representation of a Budd dome in the 1950's: Rusty
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JohnB ·
On the subject of lights being in the domes I would wonder are domes really lite in real life? Is not the purpose of the dome to let passengers look out? That would be difficult if the domes were lite especially at night. I have never ridden in a passenger car with a dome so I don't know. If anybody has please let me know. I do remember returning home on the 765 excursion out of Allentown, it was well past sunset when we arrived back in Allentown and I did notice there were no lights on in...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

TrainingDave ·
It is a correct Budd dome. So with that dome correctly tooled, Lionel would have to make another tool for the other domes used on all the other road names. Seems like a minor thing to me if it means these can be had at a smaller price. Also, JohnB is right. Not many domes were brightly lit, if lit at all. Would defeat the purpose. But this thread seems more about torches and pitchforks than anything else.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rusty Traque ·
Nope, Lionel's dome is not even correct to represent the dome pictured, which is an ex-D&RGW car. The Rio Grande car has curved glass on the lower windows and Lionel's has flat glass. Also notice the D&RGW's dome windows are angled forward slightly. Lionel's dome is closest to the Burlington's "Silver Dome," which rebuilt from a coach and was the pattern for all following Budd domes. The only reason it has flat glass was curved glass wasn't available due to wartime restrictions. But...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

breezinup ·
The real Texas Special didn't have any dome cars, so for running at night it's probably better that it's dark! At other times, maybe you should run it without the dome!
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

breezinup ·
Boy, I'll say. And how many people are ever going to notice this stuff? Personally, overall it looks like a beautiful set.
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RonH ·
What can I say, real nice set. Looks like your having fun. The domes do look different than the real picture, but they still look good. Suggestion for the Vista dome lighting: Maybe make a walkway on the floor/isle type lighting in the vista dome along the seats, maybe by drilling very small holes (1/64 or smaller) thru to allow the light from below to shine up. Does anyone know what is being used in the Vista dome? You need people sitting in the cars. 50pcs Model Seated People Sitting...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Boilermaker1 ·
Atlas used a pair of chip LEDs on the top side of the light board to illuminate the dome. Its not a whole lot of light, but just enough to reflect off the windows and make it seem lit. Cant imagine it cost more than what it costs to buy 2 LEDs, but that would require making 2 boards.... one for domes and one for everything else. Drilling holes in the floor of the dome would work, provided that you didnt drill them directly above the circuit board for the lights downstairs. I also bet the...
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kanawha ·
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Rusty Traque ·
I figured there was more history to the Rio Grande domes, but I didn't have access to my books at the time. Thanks, Ken. Rusty
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bob2 ·
So far, four different posters have suggested that domes were not lit up on real trains, and one of them actually rode a dome at night. Do you guys still think that Lionel made a major mistake? If you are trying to look out the window at night, interior lighting completely destroys the view. On the other hand, folks outside can see what you are doing with your girlfriend.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

SURFLINER ·
OMG could you be a "dirty ole man?
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
Bob, Nobody is looking for the dome to be lit up like a Christmas tree. Instead, having a pleasant subtle glow to the dome would have created an awesome effect rather than pure darkness. That's all we're saying. Undoubtedly, it's likely a cost-cutting move... just like the packaging of these cars. They no longer come in their own individual product boxes. Lionel has dispensed with the individual product box with interior foam liners. See my "first look" thread on the Texas Special 21" cars.
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N&W 1218 ·
I really like the packaging change. The 4 Pack has Windows on both sides of the box. It took just a few minutes to get all of the cars out if the box and on the tracks. I don't need an individual box for each car. The injection molded snap top plastic cradles are perfect. Way better than all that styrofoam. Dome lighting or not, as many people have said, I'm very Happy with these cars. They look great traveling around my layout. Thanks Lionel for making the Bluebird a part of my collection!
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Mikado ·
Ever notice how hard it is to see outside when in your house at night, with the lights on? Turn the lights off and you can suddenly see outside! Amazing how that works. Now, if we installed a lighting PCB in the vista dome it would have required screws to mount it to the roof of the vista. This would have made it visible from the side PLUS there would be wires running down to the car body (we haven't quite perfected wireless power yet, but its likely on the same container with Fastrack...
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
Passengers? Complaining? My set didn't come with any passengers, so I don't think we'll be hearing anybody complaining up there in those domes. Subtle floor lighting might have been a real cool effect. Perhaps for V2.0 David
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Chuck K. ·
I'll just reiterate what seems to have been said. The domes are definitely wrong for these cars. (I rode this train many times, by the way.) They are styled after Pullman Standard and not the Budd curved glass design. The glass at the ends of the dome is also done differently between those two prototype manufacturers. (Yes, one Pullman Standard dome was added later with smooth sides because they couldn't get another Budd built one fast enough.) If the car has fluting, it should have the...
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Chuck K. ·
I contacted Lionel's customer service mainly about the incorrect domes and got the sort of reply I expected: "We apologize this is not as expected. We did check and this is how they are manufactured. We are not remaking the roof or shell to correct this difference." The person answering did not even understand the product well enough to realize that the dome is a separate part not requiring a new "roof" or "shell". Interestingly, the K-Line California Zephyr cars did the iconic Budd dome...
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Chuck K. ·
Regarding dome lighting, these were a daylight domeliner Chicago to St. Louis. So don't worry about dome lighting and just make sure your room lighting is always on nice and bright to be prototypical. Chuck K.
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bob2 ·
Interestingly, the K-Line California Zephyr cars did the iconic Budd dome rather well. Interesting indeed. I had the K-Line NP dome car here for a while, and found the dome undersize and toylike. I use brass parts and make my own domes. And while I too am dazzled by the realism demanded of toy train hobbyists, I am grateful for it, since I can now purchase almost anything i want in 3-rail and convert it to run on more or less realistic track easily. Keep demanding scale models for your...
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T4TT ·
This statement in Chuck K's post is incorrect It's ironic that Lionel now has all the K-Line assets, but couldn't get the Blue Bird's dome right. Lionel does not have any of the old K-Line tooling.
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BobbyD ·
There had to be some lighting, no one could walk up there and head down the stairs in a rocking, moving train without some lights. Seems all they wanted was a soft glow.
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Charlie ·
There was lighting up in the dome. What today would be called “task” lighting, for each row in a downward facing position. Probably (hopefully) very dim. What I don’t know is if there was floor or stair lighting. My guess would be yes, but I don’t know for sure. The lighting does not bother me, the shape of the domes, that would bother me more. I should also add, the color is pretty close and the detail is very nice. Once populated with people, the domes will make a nice focal point.
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NSBill ·
I thought that Lionel didn't have any of it. Bill
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Bob Delbridge ·
Answer to dome lighting is...glow in the dark luminous paint
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Jtrain ·
Wow, these are really poorly done, given that they are supposed to be scale, and thus prototypical. Only the paint job looks something like Wabash. I pre-ordered, trusting Lionel to get them right, but I am returning them. Lesson learned. I am pretty tolerant of errors and generic variations grom the prototype, but this is ridiculous. I will wait for GGD to do them right. Why couldn't Lionel just copy the K-line domes? Those were much closer to the correct Budd dome. I guess we know now,...
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Rapid Transit Holmes ·
There is a common thread running through most of the comments in this thread. It would appear that Lionel doesn't care enough to get some of the most basic stuff right and then stiff-arms us when, having pre-ordered the pig-in-a-poke, we're stuck with serious defects in both design and execution. How can they get so many things right and then mess up on something as basic as the shape of the dome in an all dome train? It's not as though they haven't made a Budd dome before... Having been...
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Chuck K. ·
I just returned a 4-car and 2-car set and cancelled a still pending order for the diner. It's just too wrong with the domes. I'll sell the E8 units I had previously purchased - oh well. I could probably have tolerated most of the other faults in these cars (although somebody at Lionel should be embarrassed - but I suspect they aren't - and perhaps that's part of the problem). In the "Lionel 2015 Signature Edition" catalog, page 3, "Of course you'll want some new scale rolling stock to run...
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Jtrain ·
Yes, I agree. I returned the cars and got rid of the E8 AA too. Too wrong to spend so much money on, or any money on, really. 3rd Rail is doing the E8, and you only need one A unit to be correct. I will wait for GGD to do the cars.
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rboatertoo ·
I did take the car apart and there is openings in the ceiling to allow light in the dome. The problem is that the there are to few light in the car, to illuminate the dome. When I run the cars, I can't tell if the lights are on, unless I shut off the lights in the room. It looks like there are a total of 3 light for the whole car. After waiting for a year for the cars, I'll keep them, but I cancelled my per orders for other road names and would be per ordering the Union Pacific like I...
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Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

N&W 1218 ·
Got my Wabash 21" passenger cars today. Here are some photos and a short video I'm very impressed with all of the features except for one. Likes: 1) Packaging, no more wire ties and tissue paper sticking to the roof 2) LED lighting, no more blinking and they stay on after the power is off 3) extendable spring couplers that lengthen around curves, make sure you oil and grease everything well, also make sure all of the trucks swing freely both directions, I had one that was hanging up but no...
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K-Line Great Northern passenger cars

Bob Murphy ·
Vista Dome 6-22424 and Mountain View Great Dome 6-22425 Beautiful blue 21" aluminum cars with lights and passengers. $78 each (used)
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Re: L&N Louisville & Nashville MTH Full Length Vista Dome 20-67111 WTB

FlyMichael21 ·
Hey y'all! Just updating to see if anyone has seen this! THANKS!
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Re: L&N Louisville & Nashville MTH Full Length Vista Dome 20-67111 WTB

FlyMichael21 ·
Still looking! Thanks!
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Re: L&N Louisville & Nashville MTH Full Length Vista Dome 20-67111 WTB

bluedragon ·
Hi, i am from Louisville and look around for all things L&N. I have the Hummingbird Vista from Williams but have not seen what your looking for. I will keep an eye out for it.
 
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