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Re: 2024 Parts Info

GeoPeg ·
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ADCX Rob ·
The 222-107 is a non-gear grooved wheel for the traction tire, one per loco on the 2-axle powered 2024(222-101 type motor except double wound field instead of single). The non-grooved non-gear wheel is the 2243-33, and the two geared wheels are 600-137. The 634 has only one geared axle, with a 222-107 non-gear grooved wheel for the traction tire and three non-grooved non-gear wheels - 2243-33 - two of them with spacers behind them to take up the space on the axle normally occupied by the...
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GeoPeg ·
That was a great suggestion, but as you mentioned, the 222-107 is another "phantom" part! I couldn't find it on ebay or amazon (0 hits for both) - tried Henning's but there site is nearly impossible to find a specific part on (maybe it's just me?) I probably should have put all this info in my first post - I did contact Jeff and the only thing he has is a geared wheel he said was from the MPC era - I may end up trying just that on my next order, however color match will be wrong and one gear...
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C W Burfle ·
Just use the generic ALCO's information. It will be close. But Lionel made a lot of modifications to those ALCO's that aren't all well documented. If you need help, just ask here. The 2024 Alco is a one year only item, from 1969. Be aware that in the early 1970's MPC must have had a large quantity of left over shells because they had a blowout sale on them, along with a few others. So it is common to find 2024 Alco bodes mounted on older chassis with different construction.
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C W Burfle ·
222-107 is a grooved wheel, but the parts list does not say whether it is geared or non-geared. I do not see it on Jeff's list. Sometimes Jeff has parts in quantities that are too small to put on his list. I suggest writing him describing what you want to do, and that you are looking for a postwar non-geared grooved wheel. He might have one, or might be able to provide a part number. I found the above part number in the 634 parts list. The 634 has a very similar motor to the late ALCO's.
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Re: 2024 Parts Info

GeoPeg ·
What I'm specifically after is the part number for a grooved drive wheel, non-geared wheel. This engine has only one traction tire, and it can barely pull itself out of bed in the morning, let alone a consist of 5 cars. Train Tender has a geared, grooved MPC era wheel, but I would like to stick closer to an original look, and of course, I'm not at all certain it would fit. Need a part number for the grooved wheel that is on there - one more should do the trick.
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ADCX Rob ·
If you replace the 600-137 opposite the 222-107 with a 8010-123 wheel and 222-108 tire, this would greatly improve the traction.
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2024 Parts Info

GeoPeg ·
I'm beginning to think the Lionel 2024 is a "lost" engine - I can't find any parts info anywhere, including Olsen's, Train Tender, and a couple of other places. Does anyone have an exploded view plus parts list?
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C W Burfle ·
Rob: Do you know the part number of the postwar diesel wheel with a traction tire groove? I am just curious.
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GeoPeg ·
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GeoPeg ·
Not familiar with Dash 8 - can motor?
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franktrain ·
Not familiar with Dash 8 - can motor? The Dash 8 40b was a dual pullmor motor(not can) engine made by Lionel during the LTI period. This motor has four wheel drive and two traction tires and die cast side frames. So it has some good weight. franktrain
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C W Burfle ·
That wheel was introduced with the 222 diesel, and is 222-107. I meant the geared wheel with a groove for the traction tire.
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franktrain ·
OGR forum at its best! Its been great following this one and pictures really help understand the problem. Thanks to everyone, franktrain
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GeoPeg ·
Ha! I see what you're saying, but it is only lens distortion, the wheels roll true ��
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Johnsgg1 ·
I just looked. I have that exact motor frame in a parts bin. Dirty but should clean up. I'll pull the grooved wheel and send it off to you. Email me.
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Johnsgg1 ·
While not wheel related that field winding looks pretty bad. Looks burnt and maybe hand wound?
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franktrain ·
I bought my 2024 from eBay a while back and it came with two axle magna traction so I was not familiar with the traction tire version. I gonna keep a look out for that version to add to my collection. I was trying to complete the set that it came in which had just four light weight cars. Here's a 225 that I modified with a motor from a Dash 8 engine a real stump puller. franktrain
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ADCX Rob ·
Hmm... no, there are no grooves in those wheels - very clear in picture - I'm not sure where you are seeing grooved wheels unless I'm misunderstanding some sentence syntax above. However, I have stretched tires over the wheels on Williams diesels which were made after they discontinued magnetraction but before they went with tire traction. It works quite well with clean wheels and just the tiniest drop of CA to hold the tire on.
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GeoPeg ·
Yeah, most of the "burned" area is just shadowing - the enamel on the wire is actually perfect when viewed under normal lighting. And yes, the winding job is a bit scraggly! It's actually the first double wound field I have seen that did NOT use the red/green enamel on the wire, it is just straight copper colored under normal lighting. This engine was the very last design Lionel made in 69, if you can believe what is written by knowledgeable sources, so they were probably well into the...
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GeoPeg ·
John, that is awesome! Thank you! You are the second person to do so, “charlies” is also sending one. So if you choose to hang on to it, I will certainly understand, since it kind of makes the motor a wee bit useless, and I don't want to be taking advantage of anyone. That said, I will be looking for three total, I need the extra two to add to my Texas Special as it suffers a similar engineering design weakness. Email on the way
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C W Burfle ·
Yeah, most of the "burned" area is just shadowing - the enamel on the wire is actually perfect when viewed under normal lighting. And yes, the winding job is a bit scraggly! It's actually the first double wound field I have seen that did NOT use the red/green enamel on the wire, it is just straight copper colored under normal lighting. I have a few late motors with fields wound that way. Some of them have the holes for the brush plate screws tapped metric. Also, most of them have a plastic...
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C W Burfle ·
Looks like the axle is bent on your non-powered wheels. I'd replace it.
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ADCX Rob ·
You answered your own question before I got back to you! I would have told you that. MPC changed that convention in 1970 with the 8010-123 Zamac gear wheel.
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GeoPeg ·
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GeoPeg ·
Not to totally shift gears, but can anyone recommend a quick and dirty method for taking the slack out of the bottom armature bearing, without replacing the bearing? I've been thinking about a clinching tool to GENTLY squish the bearing together a bit and make things tighter, bit not clear on which tool might work. There's a fair amount of movement in the armature shaft within that bearing. May need to start a new thread?
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GeoPeg ·
Nice looking roster you got there, Frank! Did you ever get any touch up paint for any of those? Where, if I may ask? Do you agree the 2024 lacks traction? The 225s both have dual axle magne-traction?
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C W Burfle ·
That wheel was introduced with the 222 diesel, and is 222-107. I meant the geared wheel with a groove for the traction tire. I looked at a few tire traction locomotives and extra motor truck assemblies. None of them had a geared wheel with a tire. The tires were all on the non-geared wheel. Maybe they didn't make a Postwar geared wheel with a groove.
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GeoPeg ·
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C W Burfle ·
The same issue exists on my 1055 which has dual powered axles, no magne-traction and no traction tire, grooved wheels! Honestly, what were they thinking on these two engines? Had to be cost cutting!!!!! The 1055 was sold in rock bottom priced sets that weren't even cataloged. There are several other low end ALCO's that followed, also in low end sets. I guess they were the "scouts" of the diesel line. Better quality ALCO's were generally in the catalogs.
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C W Burfle ·
Check the back of the plain wheel you are going to replace with the tire traction wheel. I think you will find it has the spokes too.
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GeoPeg ·
The reason I am very interested in improving my 1055 is that it has the tightest drive train I have ever seen on a Lionel diesel - Almost NO slop in the gears or the bearings. I intend to keep it that way, plus add some traction to it for a great little puller/pusher. OK, quiz time - what's the difference between these wheels? The two on the right are traction tire wheels, courtesy of two very generous lads on this forum - thank you again!! The one on the left is a plain wheel, straight out...
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Re: Identify?

Tom weaver ·
Oops the black wire looks like wire to attach to a lock on. No power in unit itself looks like a place to plug in a power source. No Lionel part # on it.
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EscapeRocks ·
Identify! Identify!
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rtraincollector ·
I'm only guessing but looks like transformer for the inexpensive sets 70's - 90's you didn't give a great pic of it. trying to determine if the black cord is a plug to plug into a outlet either way with the forward reverse switch it's for a DC train set of some type.
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Identify?

Tom weaver ·
Found this in my Storage unit?? Looks like a throttle for ?
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Re: 0-6-0 Lionel 656

Chessie Steam Fan ·
I do to. It's a really nice modification. Very well done.
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Steamer ·
thanks, I like the looks of it.
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TeleDoc ·
That is where someone adapted a 6 wheel motor, and shoehorned it into a 1656 body. Definitely a nice job, and the countersink screw hole is the telltale sign of the modification. Makes for a nice 0-6-0 switcher, to say the least.
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Chessie Steam Fan ·
I'll try to send some photos when I get a chance. Basically picture a 1656 with 6 drivers and no Johnson bar.
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Steamer ·
I'd love to see pics of your engine. I've been thinking of doing a six drivered switcher myself.
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Chessie Steam Fan ·
Ok that's they I figured they never made one. The only 060 Lionel ever made that I was able to find pictures of was the 300 series pre war locomotives. Thanks for the info. I'll look at the forum archives. Any idea on the exact date of that poster?
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0-6-0 Lionel 656

Chessie Steam Fan ·
So recently my father and I purchased a few engines from a lady who's husband died. We bought a Lionel 1656 in about C-7 condition and a locomotive marked as Lionel 656. The 656 is an 0-6-0 switcher locomotive that has an almost identical shell to the 1656. The only shell difference is a fixed bell verses a swinging bell and a screw right behind the bell. Our assumption at the moment is that somebody modified a 1656 to have an 0-6-0 configuration with something like a 2018, 2016, or a 2026...
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MNCW ·
Can you post a picture of the switcher? Maybe you have a 201 or a 203 that someone renumbered. Tom
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Chessie Steam Fan ·
It's for sure not pre war, so it's not a 200 series engine.
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Chessie Steam Fan ·
I took the screw out.
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Re: 0-6-0 Lionel 656

WftTrains ·
You're welcome and I'd say that poster came out in 1946 or 1947.
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Chessie Steam Fan ·
Thank you!
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Re: 0-6-0 Lionel 656

WftTrains ·
No, there was never a Lionel post-war 0-6-0 steam switcher CATALOGED nor was there ever a Lionel post-war or pre-war locomotive numbered 656. The number 656 was used on a pre-war O gauge cattle car made from 1935 though 1940 although Lionel occasionally reused a pre-war number on a completely different post-war item. There was a #403 steam switcher shown in the 1946 catalog but this engine was never made. In the image in the catalog (probably an artist's drawing and not a photograph) it is...
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WftTrains ·
Update on the posters: I forgot that the posters were listed in the 1990 Greenberg Guide to Lionel Paper book by Osterhoff. Both versions are listed on page 53 if you have that book. No photos, just descriptions and both versions are listed as 1947. Also they are not identified as DEALER posters as I had said earlier. If you don’t have the book the description for the first version says “16½” wide x 10½” high, wall poster, printed on one side in yellow, black, and red ink on white paper,...
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