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Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
I am hoping for feedback on methods of adjusting or modifying these cars so that I can use them on my layout consistently. I would think there should be some approach that would eliminate the issues I am having. So far I have not been able to do so. I would appreciate any advice that OGR members or The Atlas Co. may have. These are the only cars that I own that have an issue with, on my layout. It seems to be an issue with all of them at different times. I have had no problems with the Atlas...
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Lionel New Thumbtack Truck Exchange Program

Steims ·
On a related thread Remove of Lionel Thumbtacks IRISH RIFLE posted: The new trucks and thump-tack couplers sure are horrible. The good news going forward, however, after talking to Ryan Kunkle at the Amherst Train Show, is that Lionel recognizes the mistake they made and will return to their die-cast sprung trucks and couplers with hidden uncoupling tabs , although it will likely be a gradual transition. The first step we will see will be with the freight-sounds PS-1 Boxcars in the current...
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Hot Water ·
For what it's worth, I found out the hard way that those types of 21" long passenger cars do NOT like too close together turnouts into curves, i.e. the "S curve syndrome".
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

fisch330 ·
I note that you have Ross Custom switches. After consulting with Atlas about the problem, perhaps Steve Brenneisen from Ross might make a suggestion. It sure makes a pretty looking train, whatever you do! Paul Fischer
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Big John Henry ·
Interesting, I don't run mine across any switches. I use atlas track and will have to investigate now.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

J Daddy ·
I have the complete car set as well. The cars are beautiful, however they are not made to work on 072 curves or switches. When the cars where first released I had no issue with ONE car taking these turns but couple another on and the fun began. First off I have notice that the details of the underbody do not like DZ1000 switch machines and their large screw heads. They even seem to pick the switch springs. I have never been able to get this set to traverse over 072 curves. Thus I only run...
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

richtrow ·
Buzz You might want to ask guys over on the "3RS" forum about the Kadee conversions. I'm sure someone over there has done these cars by now. From your photos, it looks like the cars are pre-drilled for the draft gear boxes as is usual for Atlas equipment. You probably just need some styrene shims and Kadees with the correct shank length. That's a nice layout you've got started there. Good luck!
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

mikey ·
I have the same consist that you have,I put tape on all of the thumb tacks before the cars ever saw track.I run on 096 curves and Ross 096,096x072 switches as well as 096 curve switches with no problems,I also back the cars into the passenger platform thru the switches with no problem going slowly. Mikey
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

New Haven Joe ·
I don't have this set. You might try raising the car body height by putting washers between the trucks and the frame to allow the trucks to just clear the bottom of the car body when they swing. This shouldn't change the coupler heights since the couplers are attached to the trucks. I have no idea if this would be an easy or difficult modification. I have done this successfully on a couple of my cars that had similar problems. NH Joe
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
I believe I have made some progress since I first wrote the original post involving the O72 issues with the Atlas CZ cars and O72 switches. I appreciate the post replies and emails that offered suggestions and ideas. I have some conclusions that I have applied to my layout and cars. It is not perfect yet, but improved. I will share what I’ve have found to date, my actions taken and why. I found a variety of issues that varied from car to car. I think that these issues mostly appear when...
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
Photos Updated, note the roller below rail. Hope this makes it easier to see. Buzz
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

DL&W Pete ·
I took my 13 amtrak cars to nj hirailers and had a complete meltdown, derailed every chance it could through switches and there O72 curves. The plastic diaframs fell off too, the cars have no problems at home on my circle of O82 realtraxx.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

J Daddy ·
Buzz - thank you for the diligent work. I appreciate the updates and I will be following your findings, I have sentence my CZ cars to run an outer loop with 096 min curves, with no cross over switches. I was able to eliminate the un-coupling of cars by adding a small piece of black electrical tape to the inside of the couplers.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Matt A ·
Great write up. Now I know why postwar Lionel had chamfered rollers. Try calling Atlas and see if you can get chamfered rollers.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
j Daddy. That is a great suggestion and easy to do. I was going to use some other material like Lighting powder and CA glue. I will use your tape method. Most of my couplers are 15/64 to 14/64 a few (2) were 13/64. It doesn't take much of a shim to correct the problem. Thanks Again, Buzz
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Dave_C ·
I'm a firm believer in Kadee couplers. It looks like the coupler mounts are the same as the scale coupler conversion they were offering in freight cars at one time. Despite their issues they got me started in converting everything to Kadee's. In your case these might be worth a shot and give the Atlas adjustacouplers a try. I would first remove the the stock Atlas centering spring and replace it with a Kadee which is much softer. You can also file back the coupler box to allow more swing.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Hot Water ·
I'll second Dave C's post above. Although I did not purchase the Atlas CZ passenger set, I did purchase the dome observation and baggage car. I found a way to modify the Atlas "claw coupler" mount, in order to accept a Kadee O Scale coupler, and still retain that "talgo truck mounting" arrangement that Atlas uses. I now can include that really nice CZ baggage car into my CB&Q heavyweight passenger train from Golden Gate Depot.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

RoyBoy ·
I have removed the thumbtack from several cars. How often does one uncouple passenger cars anyway? The uncoupling tab can be removed from the coupler and the top pf the thumbtack drilled out. Reassembly leaves a coupler without a thumbtack at all. Works well even if it droops a little.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

tplee ·
Dave C do you have any photos of the installation of the Kadee Couplers on the CZ cars you could share. I would like to try a couple of them. I would also like to see what the 2R Atlas CZ's look like from someone who bought them to see how they were set up.
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Re: Atlas CZ 21” cars Issues on O72 switches, on my layout.

Dave_C ·
I don't own the CZ cars. Just speaking from experience of doing many scale coupler conversions on a variety of cars. I never had any issues with the Atlas adjustacouplers. My biggest gripes was they wouldn't mate to a stock 3 rail coupler, the centering spring was way to stiff, and they wouldn't work with the Kadee magnets. I have a few sets of these couplers and would be happy to swap them out to a Kadee spring and ship them to you to try. This would eliminate your thumbtack issue. Atlas...
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Re: Lionel New Thumbtack Truck Exchange Program

Norton ·
While I was initially putoff by the thumb tack couplers they actually have a huge advantage over the hidden release couplers. First off, if you don't plan to use the remote uncoupling then the thumb tack can be easily removed. Secondly these couplers come is different lengths and are easily swapped out for shorter versions if you prefer close coupling. Many, like the ones on the Weaver 60' passenger cars could even be swapped out with electro couplers. With the hidden release couplers you...
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Re: Lionel New Thumbtack Truck Exchange Program

bmoran4 ·
I'm glad Lionel came to their senses on this one. I'm all for product enhancements, but the benefits of the thumbtacks simply didn't win out here. As for an exchange program, I doubt Lionel will ever do anything like that. It will have to be between hobbyist. I'm sure a vocal minority will lament the loss of the current design, so all you have to do is set up deals with them to give them your thumbtacks for their hidden plate trucks. Some of them seem so rabid that you could likely talk them...
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northeast ·
Restoring the hidden uncoupling tab is a very positive move by Lionel. But, not mentioned in the OP is that along with the removal of the hidden uncoupling tab the couplers are no longer articulated. This has increased the derailments on my rr when backing up. The greatest offender is Lionel's 65' mill gondola. Will Lionel restore coupler articulation along with the hidden uncoupling tab? Ryan, response please. Allan
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sinclair ·
I like the thumbtack ones as you can add a rubber band to them to keep them shut when they start popping open. It doesn't work very well on the hidden tab ones I have that keep popping open. Rubber band solves the problem, but still allow them to be opened by hand or remotely. You can't do that with hidden tabs. Plus when lining the car up with the uncoupling track the thumbtack is an easy target.
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D500 ·
Yes. I've said some similar things myself more than once here. The "hidden release trucks" ("HRT" from now on) are, in general, a red herring. Unrealistic broad-jump distances between cars, hard to reach and use tabs (makes the car move), those "hoses" which are always in the way (snip), lack of adjustment and repair possibilities. I do avoid RS with these HRT trucks; just don't buy them. I would like to find the swapped-out "tack" trucks to upgrade the HRT cars that I do have (wonder where...
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