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Re: Grade on train layout

Ron045 ·
You can actually cheat a little bit. Don't think of one track going up or down. Where my train departs for an upper level, I have that track going up and the other track going down at the same time. That way the run to get the required height is not as great. One track goes up 4 inches and one track goes down 4 inches, now I have 8 inches of clearance for the train to go to a tunnel below the upper level. This run is 21 feet to go from level to an 8" clearance. But that is really only 4...
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BobbyD ·
Nice solution. Love those houses!
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CAPPilot ·
Ron, I've tried this technique using my RR-Track software and it works well. However, this now has two tracks not level and I wind up losing some other feature I want more. Comes down to priorities. Still working on my final design as I complete phase 1, so I may still use this technique.
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Mike CT ·
% grade is the rise divided by the run X 100%. On a small layout it is difficult to get 2%, or less grades. This is an 3.8% grade . A 7" rise requires 15 ft. (180") of run . Both grades pictured require the curves to also be part of the grade. There is very little of the outer loop that is not a grade/level.
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cjack ·
It’s a small layout about 12 by 14 so the train can’t be too long...say five cars? The other ramp is about 3 degrees. I just needed some more play, so I put in an upper level. An engine without traction and cruise has issues though.
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Grade on train layout

Sid's Trains ·
I'm building a ramp down to a lower level. What is a good grade that could be used to go down to the lower level?
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rrman ·
Interesting as I never considered grades, in light of running my magna traction engines up and down those Lionel elevated piers with ease. Anyone know approximate grade? When I first saw this topic title, I was gonna reply (ala Christmas Story Miss Shields): A+A+A+A+A+A+A+ Sorry long Iowa winter nights....
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Moonman ·
The #110 sets are 22 pieces, yes? The A piece is 4 3/4". 11 to get there, one at each track joint. A straight run of O would be 11 x 10" or 110". Rise/run x 100% = 4.75/110 = .043 x 100% = 4.3% Curves are longer in length than a straight, (O31 is ~ 11.14"), therefore a curved approach to a shorter straight run would reduce it slightly. Larger diameter curves even more.
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rrman ·
Thanks Moonman!
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Serenska ·
Here's a lovely photo showing that 1-2% grades aren't necessarily the rule in the realm of 1:1 subways: This is a NYC Subway A train crossing a bridge near JFK airport. Steven J. Serenska
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rrman ·
Of course, most/all those cars have motors under them, so every car is helping to push the train up the grade, or retarding on the down grade, unlike freights and passengers trains being pulled at one end and maybe shoved at other end.
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Sid's Trains ·
Or what would you recommend for a grade?
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cjack ·
I’m using a 4.5 degree grade to go down on a 9 foot run. No issues other than cruise in the locomotives is essential.
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Karl Reichenbach ·
I like 1 to 1 1/2% Karl
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ChiloquinRuss ·
A 4.5 degree grade is actually a 7.59% grade, REALLY STEEP! For continuous running should be 1 1/2% to 2 1/2% grade (1 1/2 inch rise in 100 inches, etc.). For a line to a storage area up to 4% would work but with speed restrictions and good visibility. Also side to side track protection would also be in order! Russ
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Chugman ·
I kept mine to 2%, but wish it were less. I can however run anything up and down it with no problems. Art
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GVDobler ·
A simple over and under figure eight in 027 was what, about 10 or 12 percent?
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DoubleDAZ ·
Russ is right, a 4.5° grade would be almost 8% and a rise of about 9". Do you mean a 4.5% grade? That would be a rise of about 5".
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cjack ·
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CAPPilot ·
It must be really nice to have a layout large enough to have 2% or less grades. I'm trying to limit mine to 3-3.5% since previous posts on this subject indicate engines with traction tires can handle that with a decent lenght train.
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Sid's Trains ·
Thanks guys
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DoubleDAZ ·
Wow, Chuck, that's quite a grade. How many cars are you able to pull up that grade and with what engines? I also try to limit grades to 3%, but have always felt I could go steeper since my engines will be post-2012 RailKing from MTH.
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DoubleDAZ ·
The reason I ask is I'm planning a permanent Christmas display layout in a 4x10x11 L-shape and it might make quite a bit of difference if I could get away with a grade around 5% or so. I pan to run a RailKing 4-6-0 Christmas train with 3-5 passenger cars.
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Jan ·
1/4" in 1 foot is a 2% grade (actually 2.08%). I'll need a 3% grade to achieve 4.5" vertical drop to my staging yard. I want a 9" vertical distance so the rising track will be rising 4.5" in that same distance. Don't forget that you'll need a gradual transition at the change in slope. Jan
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nickaix ·
A lot depends on what you intend to run, and how long your trains are. If you have track and trains already, I would encourage you to throw together a temporary set up and play trains a little... um, I mean, run some controlled tests in order to amass data.
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Adriatic ·
The big issues with fast transitions to a grade are cowcatchers or drawbars shorting on the center rail, and couplers slipping apart or binding when there is a hard angle. If you have to, I've found a traction cheat that works well. Two sided tape from widow winter insulation kits on one outer rail. It is clear, like Scotch tape, so isn't easily seen. I detack the topside adhesive with my fingers till it can't lift off the rail, then run double what I can without it. It gives plain drivers a...
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More INSANE Deals!!!! MTH,Lionel ,ACE Trains Unique FABULOUS Glass Passenger Station!!Prewar,Postwar,BLOWOUT!!!!!!

kennyb ·
Hey Everybody!!! Still Clearing out my train room to make a Recording Studio. Thanks to everyone who has done business with me over the last month. I never realized HOW MUCH train and train related stuff I had accquired over the past 14 years!!!! Today,I have 15 more QUALITY items for your consideration,including My Favorite, The Fabulous, ACE TRAINS from England Marvelous Glass & Class London Style Passenger Station/Canopy!!!!!!! I was gonna keep this one piece,but it's all gotta...
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Asking Prices Lowered - Lionel TMCC K4, Williams PRR Heavyweights

Woody Ridenour ·
Hello friends, Trying to make more room in the train room and am putting up a feeler for a few items of mine. All prices are OBO so feel free to make an offer! Shipping can be arranged or else local pickup or meet in the MD, northern VA, or southern PA area would be welcome, too. -Lionel 6-38025 PRR K4 #1361 w/TMCC, RS, etc - Engine was new old stock and was bought unopened last summer. Has been opened and used for about 1/2 - 1 hour max. All features work flawlessly (lights, sound, smoke,...
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New video of Lionel Vision Line UP Big Boy 4014 on the New Lower Level!

TrainWizard5972 ·
After months of planning the lower level bench work is complete! A newly constructed 4×8 table has filled the gap but there’s still a lot of work to be done. I have laid out the outer loop of Lionel Fastrack however it will be temporary. Why? Well, I’ll be using the same track for the Amherst Train Wreck 100th Anniversary Event so the rest of the track will have to wait until after March 29th! In the mean time I might as well have some fun with my Lionel Vision Line Union Pacific Big Boy...
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Re: Modern O Scale Denver Union Station (DUS) 2018 build.

Trinkle-Trains ·
Working on windows and doors this week: Did some prototype study on site at the station on Weds, color searching and testing Thurs (that black evergreen color is a bugger to mix!), painting: trim, frames, doors, sills, and facades Fri, and finally getting to more assembly today, Sat. I am very happy with the clean assembly and painting lines...but, from this test wall, she still looks a bit too Barbie dream house (tm) to me. I believe the wings of the station will need smaller brick,...
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Modern O Scale Denver Union Station (DUS) 2018 build.

Trinkle-Trains ·
The O Scale Denver Union Station (DUS). A central part of Lower Downtown (LoDo) Denver and key to the Platte Valley area of Colorado's O Scale Joint Line. It's coming together well over the holiday break. Paint and texturing of the two lengthy arms of the station is the current effort. Prototype photo featured for reference and paint and layered construction photos follow. Cheers!
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Trinkle-Trains ·
Nicely done diner! I like art deco buildings and that sign is unique!
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Erik C Lindgren ·
Nice custom build Rick! Your work and talent is the best BEST
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AMCDave ·
Thanks Rick! I still have the art and retain rights to the design....so someday maybe....
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Trinkle-Trains ·
Erik Thank you!, I am continually amazed by your friendship and craftsmanship in modeling. I must say, I have had assistance here in the laser cutting, I did research and plan modification to it back during our DUS days. I am taking it slow and attempting to do this building justice. I hope with all my heart that it comes out of this build worthy to carry the name Denver Union Station and that my 1/48 peeps will want to "Travel by Train"!
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Erik C Lindgren ·
So magnificent Rick; ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
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Rapid Transit Holmes ·
Thanks for the incentive to learn more about Denver Union Station. I've been to the station, twice; once in 1985, aboard the eastbound AMTK California Zephyr, and once in 2016, having ridden the "A (Airport) Line" into town. The station certainly has changed, for better and for worse, during the intervening thirty years. Would that I could have seen it both in first class condition AND functioning as a station rather than a terminal. I can only guess at the "politics" involved in that...
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Trinkle-Trains ·
Well, Thank you Erik and Rapid Transit Holmes, hope you both have a great New Years Eve! I'll keep posting the build, you guys keep me honest. So, honestly, ......its too pink. A fix is in works...also, I'm certainly open to suggestions....texture, color, and washes are a must. Cheers,
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jpv69 ·
Why don't you put on the walls a texture like this one, printed on self adhesive paper: It's an axample, only; color and size of the bricks can be changed........and colors once printed can be slightly different than the ones on a PC screen. Texture from SKETCHUP Just an idea..... jpv in France
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Trinkle-Trains ·
Jpv, Great idea for a textured look. I'm definitely going that way...but in my own fashion. I believe O Scale and larger scales benefit from the materials you use in conveying what is modeled. I will still strive for the look you've shown, but prefer to use a gypsm derivative and cast the bricks/stones. The building will be attached to a base to avoid damage. Tedious work...but I've done it in 2004 with the war torn Iraqi Diorama (shown above) ..can't beat the look...downselecting and...
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jpv69 ·
I understand what you want to do for this building; it was just an idea. Here is an example of what I have made for one of my warehouses with this method: jpv in France
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Trinkle-Trains ·
Very effective jpv!
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Ron H ·
Very impressive.
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Simon Winter ·
Looks like you have captured the major elements of the facade! Simon
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Trinkle-Trains ·
John, we'll get together as soon asyou get here! I want to see the Superfleet!
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Trinkle-Trains ·
Simon, I usually make custom railcars. This is my first venture into buildings. I'm working with Custom Model Railroads (CMR) on this 1st proof of concept building. The thought is, if I like it (and I do), that I will learn from this one and cut and engrave more of my own buildings this year. I'm having fun!
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Trinkle-Trains ·
Thank you Ron! I'm liking it also. Taking my time with it as this is a real foundational building for the area here and so it is foundational for my layout as well.
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Sean007 ·
Nice work! I like your workshop! Sean
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Trinkle-Trains ·
Thanks Sean! Yes..The workshop...er...family room...(she hates that furniture-hmmm....this is gonna be an expensive project) Can't believe I'm getting away with it...for now.... 😊
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AMCDave ·
I take it you are cutting and engraving on a laser table??? Very nice design work. I have done some design work but yet to have anything turned into real production. This is a diner I did in HO but could be cut in any scale. Again...great work! thx
 
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