There are hobby shops that deal with sunset 3rd rail. You might check with your favorite dealer and ask if he/she does. I know Dixie Union Station in Mason Ohio has been a dealer. I have purchased through him many times. But as Hotwater says, the markup is pretty small, so you may not get a discount.
Hot Water knows his stuff, you will not find any discounts on Sunset, 3rd Rail, GGD. Buying direct from Scott is the only way to go. You will get factory direct trains, the ability to make payments on your orders over time even before they hit production, you'll get some of the best communication I've seen from any manufacturer and you'll receive unparalleled customer service. All of these things have far more value than any discount
Would anyone know if the 3-rail diesels offered by 3rd Rail would be Kadee compatible or have mounting pads for the Kadees? According to the 3rd Rail website they will have fixed pilots but I assume the 3-rail locos will have the large tin plate couplers. Thanks.
Any of the Sunset/3rd Rail diesel models for 3-Rail will come with the "claw couplers", however they will have fixed pilots and full length handrails. The latest SD7, SD9 models come with a pilot inset so that, once the "claw electrical-coupler" is removed, then Kadee O Scale couplers can be easily installed. I'm sure the future SD40-2 models will be the same design.
Hey now, some of us "young guys" model the good old days (30s- late 50s) I'll keep buying hudsons and GG1's as long as they're making them. That being said I would still be very interested in a 3rd rail FP45!
Scott Mann mentioned in another thread that he needs a minimum of 500 units ordered before the locomotive in question is produced. The SD40-2 is offered in 17 different paint schemes on the 3rd Rail web site. Does that mean that each paint scheme needs 500 orders to be produced or is that a total of 500 for the locomotive only. Maybe Scott can answer. I placed an order for two CP Rail but that may not be a popular road.
Well that would certainly be a disappointment for me. If they get pushed out too far I may just start hunting for the overland models brass SD40-2's. Passed on one the other day and now I am wondering if I should have just done it. I know they are only available in 2 rail. But it is looking more and more like I am going down the 2 rail road. And sticking with second hand brass as so much of what is currently available is not meeting my expectations as a whole. And it seems that many of these...
I would love to add a couple high-quality 2-rail SD40-2's to my roster but at a price north of $2K per loco I think I'll pass and wait to see if 3rd Rail's models ever come to fruition. If not then the Atlas SD40's, albeit a slightly different variant, will more than fit the bill. Of course, they may take some time as well. It's 4-axle power (GP35's and GP40's) only for the foreseeable future...and I like it!
Midwestern and Key (Wasatch) are it. Midwestern is pretty far along on their SD45s. Erik expects to have a sample at the March Meet with final delivery about a year later. I'm not sure whether reservations are closed yet.
Good Morning all: Has anyone successfully (or thought about) converting a 3rd Rail F7 to Ps3 using one of the MTH conversion kits? I'm thinking this locomotive would be a good candidate as it is a wide body and in theory has plenty of space inside. Does anyone have any pictures? Thanks in advance!
I cannot speak for the 3rd rail F7, but I can for the 3rd rail SD9. Its easy and fairly inexpensive. The motor is a horizontal drive that takes up the second quarter of the chassis. (IE the inner half of the front half of the chassis) in The drive belt goes into the tank. From there drive shafts go to the trucks (i.e under the floor). That leaves considerable amount of room on the rear half of the chassis. I bought a PS3 equipped Railking SD9 (on sale, from a Forum Dealer), took out the PS3,...
Originally posted by vale40: Good Morning all: Has anyone successfully (or thought about) converting a 3rd Rail F7 to Ps3 using one of the MTH conversion kits? I doubt it that many purchasers are thinking of this for it's price point offered.
One thought comes to my mind on this one; you say it's been on display for a few years...I have my trains stored on Glenn Snyder display aluminum shelves when they are not in use. One issue I find is that the pickup rollers can get skewed sideways ( or not parallel to the center rail...) when the engines are either installed on the display shelves or during removal. I've had several engines I had to straighten pickup rollers on due to this issue. If that is not the case here, the old tried...
Wow....gorgeous engine.....I wonder if something that is grounded is grazing the middle rail on the curves. I have had the good fortune to see Gilly@N&W's run on the 081 curves of our modular layout......even on O81, the overhang is huge. I say this with a grain of salt.....I am no repair person by any means. I wish you luck. Peter
I purchased a 3rd Rail Jawn Henry new and its been sitting on the shelf for almost 4 years now. I test ran it when I got it new on 10 foot straight test track since I didn't have a layout at the time - everything worked as advertised. I now have a decent carpet central with minimum O-72 curves. All the track is Lionel Fast Track. I finally got around to running the Jawn Henry last night. It ran great on straight sections of track, but would short and trip the breaker on my ZW-L transformer...
Selling my 3rd Rail Niagara. Purchased this directly from the 3rd Rail bone yard a few years ago. This model has TMCC 4.0 When i purchased it there had been a repair done to the steam whistle which is shown in the pictures. Other than that it runs perfectly and hasn't had much run time. asking $900.00 $850.00 with free shipping to CONUS
I got this finished up tonight. I was pleasantly surprised to find it had ERR Cruise and an early version of their sound board. Someday I may swap them out for something better if it comes along. I have it hauling a baggage car around like I’ve seen in photos. I built up the Kadee adapters/false frame out of styrene. Heres a YouTube: https://youtu.be/KBZDMe-lW5U And some bench and layout shots:
I think it's the ERR Sound Commander (non-RS). It's cute but I may change it out for the gas electric sounds if they ever become available again from 3rd Rail. BTW, here's a nice link with 4666 info: http://www.trainweb.org/oldtim...ns/pennsylvania.html
The PRR dieselized their gas electric doodlebugs following a wreck in which 43 of 46 people riding doodlebug 4648 died in a gasoline fueled fire. For more on the incident see PRR Doodlebug wreck Nice job Norm - I need to weather my 2 rail model - just doesn't look right in my 1950's era looking pristine. Masking all those individual windows must have been a P.I.T.A. Do you have any tips to speed the job that you are willing to share
I want to replace the couplers on my 3rd Rail Lehigh Valley John Wilkes Coaches. The OEM couplers do not open while in motion but they don't keep the cars together either. I haven't been able to figure out why the geometry of the couplers allow them to slip apart. Can anyone suggest a coupler that will work well on 3rd Rail coaches? Thanks Rev Richie
I would be interested, but they need to re-position the trucks, putting them closer to the pilots. They could use the frames from the newer SD60E locos to accomplish this, along with making them available in 2-rail configurations.
I don’t want this to sound ungrateful, but I would like to see the return of SD70M’s. MTH did the MAC’S in PS3 somewhat recently but I think ignored the M’s. I’d be a buyer of a few, even if MTH just dusted off their existing tooling. Lionel would need all new tooling to pull one off. UP has a staggering amount (almost 1500) of these throughout their thir system to this day. UP, SP, CSX, NS, NYS&W, CN (SD70I) & IC (Standard Cab) have all rostered these units. If MTH, Lionel ,or even...
The K-Line’s are amazing (save for that sad 2,500 gallon fuel tank). Having taken one apart, I can see why these remain on a factory shelf. The assembly labor must be twice that of the plastic diesels we see today from Lionel and MTH. Still, I remain hopeful. Lionel retooled for their last release of SD60M’s (early cab) and SD60E’s. There is obviously a market for the various varieties of the SD70 series. This topic comes up every now and again. I just felt it was time to refresh it. So,...
I’d be interested in as SD70M re-run too, but, yes, with the truck position corrected and a two-rail fixed pilot option. By the way, the spotting difference between the SD70M and the SD75M is a single additional duct on the engineer’s side. Neither the MTH nor K-Line model had it, making them SD75Ms. For those wanting an SD 75M, it’s easy to add though:
I to have been playing around with outside third rail. I put outside third rail on a prewar 701 switcher, the tender, and a 717 caboose. It was never very popular and has been gone for a long time, so parts to put this together are very difficult to come up with. I am still looking for insulators to do another 701. No track to run on yet. Lots of fun.
Outside third rail is also still in activity in France. Even if it is certainly the last layout in operation here it must be seen as an historical place to visit. Here is a nice report of the layout in the East station in Paris. It dates back to the thirties and has been maintained by members of the club since this time. Actually it is in the processed of being restored to keep it running old school. Even modern models are modified to run on that layout as for example the MTH 241 mountain...
Hello all. Scale O gauge begins to evolve in 1924 with the new voice of Modelmaker magazine drawing modelers across the nation together . Initially center 3rd rail was used ..but with assorted variations to hide the center rail with ribbon rail or smaller gauge wire . Egolf introduced 6'as a diameter for his two Pacifics Outside 3rd rail appears by 1929 with layouts near the NYC area, where several prototypical railroads could be found to justify it's use. ( save of course steam engines )...
I have a collection of 3-rail New York Central (P-2b and S-2) and New Haven (EP-3, EF-3, EF-4, EP-5 and FL-9) electric motors by MTH, Lionel and Sunset. All would be realistic to run on outside 3rd rail. The idea intrigues me but it would be a huge effort to convert them and build a layout. Very interesting thread though. MELGAR
Hello all ...Daniel thank you for posting the link to the great layout ....interesting that the layout and the first sign of outside 3rd rail ( that I've found ...so far) is 1929 ... next time in Paris it will be a must to visit .. Bob thank you for your kind words ....and saving future 3rd rail sweeps for me . Melgar ...good to see the Lionel switcher and caboose with the sweeps .... outside 3rd to center rail ...is the easiest conversion possible ... on those few Lionel products ... in...
Carey, your trackwork looks great! Really a giant leap forward in realism to move that center rail outboard. The pickups are not difficult - a lot of folks just used speedometer cable. I hate to say it, but I have sent a lot of outside 3rd pickups to the recycler. The rest will go to Carey, if they show up here.
Daniel, That is a very interesting layout. The outside 3-rail construction is beautiful. One thing I especially liked about it is that the trains operate at high speeds over wide radius curves. I'm also interested in whatever you can tell me about its history during World War II. During that time, my father was in France with the U.S. Army. MELGAR
B&O pamphlet, date unclear. Look closely and you will see that it was an O scale, outside 3rd rail layout. I know very little about it, except for what is contained in the text. It reads..." This miniature system can be set up or taken down in eight hours. There are more than fifteen hundred electrical connections between the control box....and the track. Seventy four relays govern the signals and train control......." It also boasts of "miniature reproductions of B&O Signals....."...
Here are a few more outside 3rd rail layouts ... two more views of the B&O layout ...that now lives in Cincinnati...open at Christmas....John Armstrong with his layout ....and Frank Ellison's Delta Lines Cheers Carey
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