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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

Pittsburger ·
Another update. The springs were indeed the problem. The new switch had the spring completely off the post and the used one was misaligned. Thanks for the help everyone! I'll test them tonight to see if they power correctly. Easiest fix I've experienced so far... Marc
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Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

Pittsburger ·
Hello everyone, I felt that this was an applicable electrical question... I'm currently doing a "test run" of my new layout by setting in up on the carpet before I do my full build. I am using MTH realtrax with O-54 curves and turnouts. In testing my locomotives for problems with the design, I had two brand new O-54 switches fail causing a serious amounts of flying sparks. The locomotives seem fine , but the two switches (1x RH and 1x LH) now are not fully closing. This makes them unusable.
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Rigatoni Express Railroad ·
Engineerjon has it correct. Those little springs either slip over the post or get bent. The springs are a one piece "U" shaped style. If bent, it is easiest to remove the springs from the switch and straighten them and to make sure they lie flat. If not flat they will slip over the post. If bent they will not fully close the switch. Wish someone would post the MTH part number for the springs as I could use a couple of new ones myself. Joe
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enginEErjon ·
Glad to hear that you got it corrected. The challenge however is once they show this problem, it seems to happen very often. I would not place this switch in a difficult to reach area. Unfortunately I don't have a permanent fix to offer you. Luckily, mine has been easy to get to and so I haven't needed a permanent fix. Just know that if this happens once, it will happen again.
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

Oman ·
I did find the relocatable switch lantern component appeared to be fully seated, but it wasn't. Make sure the relocatable switch lanterns are fully seated into the turnout.
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Pittsburger ·
This sounds very likely. Between the pictures and spring info, I should be able to solve the problem. I was hoping to get to looking at them this weekend, but haven't had a chance. I'm a little scared to put a questionable switch on a region of track that will be seeing a train every 20-30 seconds during nearly any run session. I did realize one of the switches was one that I had bought used. The other was brand new as I had originally thought. The switches are funny things. If wires cross...
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

Pittsburger ·
Thanks for the replies. I am using track power for now. I have never powered switches any other way to date, but I am considering getting a AIU for my DCS system. I think I am not describing this well. What is happening is that the switches seem to be "stuck open" in that they will no longer fully close even when manually flipped. It seems like a connection is loose inside the switch. Basically the switch is not becoming flush and therefore can no longer go straight. I don't think the...
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

pittsburghrailfan ·
If you remove the base of your switch, it should look something like the attached photos. I suspect the metal mousetrap-esque contraption or the magnet connecting the motor to the plastic slide is out of whack.
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

Pittsburger ·
Thanks Pgh rail fan. I'll take a look at it when I have the chance. I think that might be a good place to start. It doesn't make much sense to me, but it is what it is. I just want to make sure I don't destroy any more switches and if possible that I can fix the two dead ones.
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

Oman ·
That is what was happening to me. I was operating them manually and the rails weren't closing. I found that operating them quickly and aggressively, the rails would close. After operating like this for awhile, I decided to see what was wrong. I found that the plug-in switch machine wasn't completely seated in the turnout. After correcting this with a little extra force to seat them, they worked fine. This was on brand new turnouts. The switch machine is a little more difficult to install on...
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

enginEErjon ·
Pittsburger, I have a similar problem with one of my Realtrax switches. In my case I have found that the issue was caused by one the leg of the spring slips over the round post and then it no longer has the same amount of pressure as before. See the green arrow on the picture which I modified from Pittsburghrailfan. This causes the rails to not fully close in one of the directions. This was only happening to one of the springs, and so the rails would not fully close in only one direction.
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

MdMikey ·
I also concur with engineerjon. When I had realtrax, the spring was an issue several times.
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

Oman ·
Following Chris's thoughts; are you using fixed or variable track voltage?
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

Mo985 ·
P, Where do you have your lockon(s) placed? I'm not familiar with the power output of your transformer, but I found that trying to run my switches through "track power" would cause them to not throw fully. I got a second z-1000, to power just the switches and don't have a single problem. You may find that switches closer to your lockon work well, and if you look at you positioning of the others in terms of linier length from lockon to switch, it could be they are too far down the line. You...
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

Pittsburger ·
So far so good with the switches. I am going to keep these both as backups. I have run into another problem though. One of the switches on my layout is flipping on its own, which if I am not watching could cause another serious derailment. Once flipped, it is electronically stuck. It will not flip back and if I try, it creates a "chirping" that lowers the track voltage and automatically flips back. If that doesn't make sense, I will attach a video of the occurrence. It only seems to happen...
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Re: Realtrax Switch Malfunctioning

Bobby Ogage ·
See the attached articles re Real Trax switch issues.
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Rigatoni Express Railroad ·
Make sure that the switch is fully supported and doesn't "bend" when an engine rolls on to it. If the center rails touch the adjacent tracks you will get this issue. Joe
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

Norton ·
I don't think they can. The powerhouse is pure sine wave and the CW80 is chopped sine wave. Phasing can only work with two pure sine wave transformers. Two identical chopped wave transformers could be phased but two different chopped wave transformers would only work if their outputs matched. Luck involved with the latter. Your voltmeter is reading RMS voltage. If you had an oscilloscope and put both outputs on the screen and superimposed them you would see most of the time the voltage...
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

rthomps ·
Why is the title of the thread "Lionel Says Cannot Be Done" when the REAL statement that Lionel made (according to your post) is they "cannot give instructions"??? Perhaps you were not clear to Lionel? Perhaps they didn't want to be responsible for you blowing your transformers? Many, many issues. Your thread title is misleading.
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

Landsteiner ·
Are you saying you can measure voltage across the terminals with NEITHER of the two power supplies plugged in? Or across the second one when only the first is plugged in?
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

Peter Cazz ·
Not not with neither plugged in. I'm new yes, crazy no. Just kidding of course. I 'm reading when only one is plugged in. With the neutrals connected together, with only the brick plugged in I read 18v across the hots. With the CW 80 only plugged in the reading varies of course with throttle. With both plugged in as you bring up CW 80 throttle it's green light blinks as a short. All the posts I've read says that there should be little or no reading across reds/hots. How can be out of phase...
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

Peter Cazz ·
Jim, First thank you for replying. I thought I needed to phase the transformers as I have the gateman activated by the train from the outside rail as it passes. The power for the gateman coming from the CW 80 as to not have the full 18v from the brick. That is exactly how Lionel shows and explains is necessary in their video for phasing.
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Loose-Caboose ·
Why are you trying to phase them at all? You mention nothing about using a common nuetral (Ground for you DC people). You also say that you are using one transformer for "accessories" and one to run your trains. You do not meet the criteria for needing to phase your transformers regardless of the type of sine wave put out.
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modeltrainsparts ·
This is an interesting conundrum. I am about to convert my track power from 4 LW's to 2 PH180's but intend to use an already existing LW and a KW for switch machine, signal, and accessory lighting. The KW and LW is phased with the 4 other LW's. Can they be phased with the PH180's?
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

Peter Cazz ·
Just to be clear on several points, is that first the pleasant lady on the phone said "it could not be done." She spoke about the Molex connector. I told her I bought their adaptor. Then she put me on hold and came back stating that the techs told her that they had no instructions on how to do it. Then put me on hold again saying that the techs do not advise to do it but with no explanation as to why. In the end they show in their own video a CW80 phasing with two other transformers but they...
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

ADCX Rob ·
BINGO. Oddly enough, for the application you describe, they do not need to be phased, and can share a common return. See this recent thread HERE to see how it worked out for another forum member.
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

Peter Cazz ·
Rob, What you have above is exactly what I thought should be and how I planned to wire. What you brought up to me is the G06 code on the CW 80. I will look to see where this code is and then code. Maybe that is the trouble? I just can't understand why I'm getting a voltage reading with only one transformer plugged in and also with the two blacks ( Commons ) connected the CW 80 blinks as a short. I will get back to you on the code and again thank you so much.
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ADCX Rob ·
Not necessarily. Maybe! Check out Marty's phasing page HERE for an explanation of why it's necessary to phase transformers for train control. You can even share a common return with an isolated DC source - like a car battery.
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

Peter Cazz ·
The other thing is why am I getting the voltage across the hot terminals without one of the transformers even plugged in, sine wave discussion apart? Is there some reason for this? Thank you.
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Lionel says Cannot be done??

Peter Cazz ·
Ok I know this has been discussed but I'm new and I've tried and failed. I called Lionel and reply was "cannot give instructions." I have a CW 80 about 6-7 years old, and it works fine alone on the track, and a brand new 180 Power house 6-22983. I would like to use the 180 Brick just for track power and the CW 80 to activate the Gateman and other accessories, so I believe I need phasing do to the gateman. The CW 80 works the track power and gateman perfectly. I just need more power for...
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

ADCX Rob ·
You have the newer one. "U" posts are common, A & B are hot. Follow the diagram. Here is one tip - don't use a meter to check voltages. You will get very misleading readings.
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cjack ·
The code is on the bottom, a G followed by. three date numbers
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Peter Cazz ·
The instruction in the manual say to wire the red to the middle rail and black to the outer. That is how I have always wired it. Even with the gateman on the accessory side of the CW and the track on throttle side. I'm guessing mine could be an older one? If so what are options or solutions?
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Peter Cazz ·
Ok first thank you to all. On the bottom is G0309. What does this tell you?
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Peter Cazz ·
Rob, I thank you for your reply. So just to be ultra-clear, I can wire the 180 powerhouse directly to the DCS to supply full 18V to the track. Then I can wire the gateman with the neutral to the outside insulated track rail of the accessory activator track, ( which as the train passes through would actually be connected through the train axles, to the 180 brick through the DCS,) and the hot of the gateman to the red (A) and the neutral of the light of the gateman to the black (U) of the CW...
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

romiller49 ·
Am I missing something here? If the share a common ground aren’t they phased?
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ADCX Rob ·
The wiring of the rails for DCS other than the control rail is normal... that is, outside rails to the layout common on the TIU and center rail to the hot output from the TIU. The rest is assuming you have a newer "G" date code or newer CW-80. Wire the solenoid terminal from the gateman to the insulated control rail and the common terminal of the gateman to the voltage that you want to power it with - let's say one of the "A" posts(whichever you are using - lever control or programmable...
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ADCX Rob ·
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hokie71 ·
In fairness to LIONEL, you should change the title of this post as several have mentioned.
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ADCX Rob ·
Make the connection at the track, not at the PH180. You want to keep the circuit isolated to the track & accessory area, not involving the TIU at all. There may be a bleed through somewhere, but with nothing connected to the red posts of the CW that should not be happening.
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

Peter Cazz ·
Rob, Thank you again. I will do and try with a non-power car like a plain box car to run across the accessory activator track for the gateman. I'm concerned that when I connect the common on the PH180 to the black (Common) on the CW and plug both in and throttle up the CW the CW light blinks as a short?
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Adriatic ·
Lionel has no clue how to instruct folks how to use their products? Huh...I wonder why the CW phasing date wasn't mentioned? (easier to say "cant" Lionel ca n't provide info but Rob can? Misleading? ... Hardly; I pretty much read what I expected to Including a happy ending without any Lionel corporate input
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Peter Cazz ·
My whole understanding is that you are NOT using track power to activate the accessory?? Only the Neutral comes from the track and the hot from another power supply. I'm I wrong? Using just the CW 80 now I'm not using the track power terminals to power the gateman. The gateman is connected to the accessory terminals of the CW 80 and it gets the neutral from the outer rail of the insulated section when the trains crosses.
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

Peter Cazz ·
Rob, Again a big TY. When I first tried the phasing, that started all of this, as per the Lionel video I had nothing connected to either transformer. I just simply attached a wire to the Black of the CW and to the neutral of the PH180. Then I saw on this forum that if you read volts across the two hots (reds) that that would mean to be out of phase. When I tried, it read 18V. with only the PH180 plugged in! Right there I thought I had a problem as in my mind hot to hot should read nothing.
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Norton ·
This won't work either. If you want to use the insulated track section to activate the accessory you can only use track power. If you want to use the CW 80 to power the accessory you have to use something like a 153 activator. Post war types used contacts placed under the track. New electronic ones use optics to detect the presence of something on the tracks. There are a few third party solutions like Z Stuff to sense trains. A contactor of this type isolates track power from accessory...
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Re: Lionel says Cannot be done??

Adriatic ·
That is why techs more often use schematics vs descriptive text; it simplifies it. It need not be a photoshopped or app drawn one, a photo of a line drawing works well (sorry about bold, composer is throwing fits today)
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Adriatic ·
What is a "TY"? There is no previous statement to draw from. I suspect it is "common" elsewhere, like texting, FB, twitter, etc.. but not being a social media butterfly, I've not seen this before anywhere and have no clue what it means.
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rtr12 ·
I think it's 'Thank You'... I just added to the list linked in my signature line below. Many here (me included) had trouble with these so everyone submitted what they knew and I made a list. Rich helped with the formatting and I have been following that formatting since then.
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Dtrainmaster ·
FWIW, when discussions like these come up, a simple drawing of the existing or proposed electrical layout would go a long way to clarify the situation. Dave
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ADCX Rob ·
You're welcome. I hope you can get this working with all of the "distance" advice. The insulated rail scheme is a much cleaner method for accessory activation than pressure switches, and there are no electronics to fail.
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