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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Jtrain ·
Wow, these are really poorly done, given that they are supposed to be scale, and thus prototypical. Only the paint job looks something like Wabash. I pre-ordered, trusting Lionel to get them right, but I am returning them. Lesson learned. I am pretty tolerant of errors and generic variations grom the prototype, but this is ridiculous. I will wait for GGD to do them right. Why couldn't Lionel just copy the K-line domes? Those were much closer to the correct Budd dome. I guess we know now,...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rapid Transit Holmes ·
There is a common thread running through most of the comments in this thread. It would appear that Lionel doesn't care enough to get some of the most basic stuff right and then stiff-arms us when, having pre-ordered the pig-in-a-poke, we're stuck with serious defects in both design and execution. How can they get so many things right and then mess up on something as basic as the shape of the dome in an all dome train? It's not as though they haven't made a Budd dome before... Having been...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Jtrain ·
I predict that we will see a lot of these cars on the secondary market in the near future, where they will sell for about $50/car (or less). They might be good for a repaint to something more correct, if the price is low enough.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Bob Delbridge ·
Answer to dome lighting is...glow in the dark luminous paint
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Hot Water ·
How do you know that the K-Line tooling, especially for passenger cars, is "still sitting unused"?
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NSBill ·
I was referring to scale passenger car tooling there. Last I heard Sanda Kan had it, and had no intentions of releasing it. So are you suggesting somebody is using the scale passenger car tooling? If so, who? Bill
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Jtrain ·
Yes, I agree. I returned the cars and got rid of the E8 AA too. Too wrong to spend so much money on, or any money on, really. 3rd Rail is doing the E8, and you only need one A unit to be correct. I will wait for GGD to do the cars.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rusty Traque ·
I suspect not. For every one person dissatisfied with the cars, there are probably ten that don't mind the inconsistencies and will keep them for their visual appeal. Rusty
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hclarke ·
Even if not exactly prototypical, these cars are really good looking! And, very smooth runners! I collect any and all Wabash and am very happy to have these.
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
Gotta agree with Rusty Traque on this one. $40-$50/car is more typical of the 15" aluminum passenger cars with passenger silhouettes instead of detailed interiors. It'll be quite some time before we see cars like the Lionel 21-inchers down that low from their current $110-$125 price-point. Having had my Texas Special cars on display for more than a week now, I can make the following observation: For what I was looking to accomplish, they are nice. Very nice, in fact. Enough so that I will be...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Jtrain ·
You forgot the K-line 21" cars (if you can find them), which are aluminum, and quite a bit more accurate than the Lionel cars, at about the same price range. They can still be found, if you look long enough. K-line made some of the road-specific details, not all, but some of them, including the primary distinctive ones, while keeping the price down. Plus they are aluminum, a big plus. Lionel seemed to want to make these cars as cheaply as possible, with virtually no effort to make them...
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Re: LOOKING FOR K-LINE K-4610F B&O 15" Aluminum Passenger 4-PAC

VaGolfer1950 ·
Willing to pay anything reasonable.
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Re: LOOKING FOR K-LINE K-4610F B&O 15" Aluminum Passenger 4-PAC

leapinlarry ·
Wow, are these cars blue and have black tops? I have some nice Williams cars if interested. I have a 4 pack and a 6 pack...If interested. ( Larrylevin71@yahoo.com ) Happy Railroading
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Chuck K. ·
I just returned a 4-car and 2-car set and cancelled a still pending order for the diner. It's just too wrong with the domes. I'll sell the E8 units I had previously purchased - oh well. I could probably have tolerated most of the other faults in these cars (although somebody at Lionel should be embarrassed - but I suspect they aren't - and perhaps that's part of the problem). In the "Lionel 2015 Signature Edition" catalog, page 3, "Of course you'll want some new scale rolling stock to run...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

rboatertoo ·
I did take the car apart and there is openings in the ceiling to allow light in the dome. The problem is that the there are to few light in the car, to illuminate the dome. When I run the cars, I can't tell if the lights are on, unless I shut off the lights in the room. It looks like there are a total of 3 light for the whole car. After waiting for a year for the cars, I'll keep them, but I cancelled my per orders for other road names and would be per ordering the Union Pacific like I...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Charlie ·
Hey Jim: While I agree with most of what you wrote, the one item i question is the Kinematic couplers. You called them "slingshot". I think they are a great addition to the scale size cars, but I have to admit, I have only seen them on others cars, not my own. What is the issue you have with them? Charlie
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Rapid Transit Holmes ·
The lack of bright dome lighting is prototypical. Though coach domes were generally not extra fare, the railroads had the good sense not to over-illuminate them. Having ridden the MILW, GN and CB&Q domes, it is my recollection that there was theater type floor lighting for the same reasons. Having just finished a project to modify a MTH Super Dome, I replicated that lighting effect by drilling holes in the floor of the dome, in the aisle adjacent to every other seat, to admit light from...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

aterry11 ·
All domes from ANY MANUFACTURER are a pain in the arse!!! No ... seriously though all domes are hard too manufacture!
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Rusty Traque ·
And yet Lionel cranked out a fairly decent representation of a Budd dome in the 1950's: Rusty
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BANDOB ·
One of the forum sponsors, I think Custom O Decals, has very nice short LED strips. I used them to great success to light my Lionel 15" short domes. Perhaps they would work here as well.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

JohnB ·
On the subject of lights being in the domes I would wonder are domes really lite in real life? Is not the purpose of the dome to let passengers look out? That would be difficult if the domes were lite especially at night. I have never ridden in a passenger car with a dome so I don't know. If anybody has please let me know. I do remember returning home on the 765 excursion out of Allentown, it was well past sunset when we arrived back in Allentown and I did notice there were no lights on in...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

TrainingDave ·
It is a correct Budd dome. So with that dome correctly tooled, Lionel would have to make another tool for the other domes used on all the other road names. Seems like a minor thing to me if it means these can be had at a smaller price. Also, JohnB is right. Not many domes were brightly lit, if lit at all. Would defeat the purpose. But this thread seems more about torches and pitchforks than anything else.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

J Daddy ·
Yes, the domes had very little light, remember at night that there were dim lit floor lights to make your way around. Nothing like sitting up there when your a kid at night and watching the stars...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rusty Traque ·
Nope, Lionel's dome is not even correct to represent the dome pictured, which is an ex-D&RGW car. The Rio Grande car has curved glass on the lower windows and Lionel's has flat glass. Also notice the D&RGW's dome windows are angled forward slightly. Lionel's dome is closest to the Burlington's "Silver Dome," which rebuilt from a coach and was the pattern for all following Budd domes. The only reason it has flat glass was curved glass wasn't available due to wartime restrictions. But...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

breezinup ·
The real Texas Special didn't have any dome cars, so for running at night it's probably better that it's dark! At other times, maybe you should run it without the dome!
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

breezinup ·
Boy, I'll say. And how many people are ever going to notice this stuff? Personally, overall it looks like a beautiful set.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

RonH ·
What can I say, real nice set. Looks like your having fun. The domes do look different than the real picture, but they still look good. Suggestion for the Vista dome lighting: Maybe make a walkway on the floor/isle type lighting in the vista dome along the seats, maybe by drilling very small holes (1/64 or smaller) thru to allow the light from below to shine up. Does anyone know what is being used in the Vista dome? You need people sitting in the cars. 50pcs Model Seated People Sitting...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Boilermaker1 ·
Atlas used a pair of chip LEDs on the top side of the light board to illuminate the dome. Its not a whole lot of light, but just enough to reflect off the windows and make it seem lit. Cant imagine it cost more than what it costs to buy 2 LEDs, but that would require making 2 boards.... one for domes and one for everything else. Drilling holes in the floor of the dome would work, provided that you didnt drill them directly above the circuit board for the lights downstairs. I also bet the...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

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Rocky Mountaineer ·
That is a HUGE disappointment. I guess that'll be yet another customization project folks will need to tackle with these cars... perhaps the same time they add passengers to the interiors. I'm not sure what I'd do if it were me. Given that it's not just the "one" Vista dome car, but FOUR... I'd almost be inclined to return them to my dealer. I'm expecting my Texas Special set to arrive tomorrow (Tuesday), and I think that set is supposed to have just one Vista Dome... so it won't be AS big...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

N&W 1218 ·
The more I think about the dome lighting the more it grinds my gears. This is a special set, my Dad worked for the Wabash. I'm keeping it but I won't be buying the UP set to go behind the 8444. I'll be getting with cJack and he'll help me put lights where there are none!
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

bob2 ·
If I were paying extra to ride in a dome and they kept the lights on I would be ****ed.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

bob2 ·
Peesed?
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Boilermaker1 ·
So in both of the pictures you posted of individual cars, the rear end of the dome isnt sitting flush on the roof... Forget the lights, whats up with that?
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Scratchbuilder1-48 ·
I think the domes are the wrong style
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Putnam Division ·
Very cool looking set! Peter
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Pat Kn ·
Beautiful set. The unlighted dome would bug me too. Enjoy them.
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Fred Brenek ·
You are absolutely correct. The Lionel domes are WRONG. Fred
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Jim S ·
Nice set! Enjoy your trains!
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J Daddy ·
What a beautiful set. Adding a few lights to the dome area should be easy. Bummer about the domes vs. prototype. Why not the Excursion UP cars? I just put my order in.
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nw2124 ·
WHAT A MESS! The Wabash was an all dome train and there is only one dome and incorrect at that! I believe Lionel just took those that ordered one. Time for Golden Gates to step up and show how it should be done. Why do modelers keep buying projects that are half *** done. Stephen
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J Daddy ·
Or Atlas? This car looks similar to the CZ end dome.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Charlie ·
Off the top of my head, the three items that stand out as needing attention are the following: 1, Domes are incorrect, should be Budd type (rounded) vs, P-S (which the Bluebird did add later, but only one). Actually, maybe by mistake, the dome is a pretty good version of the P-S add on. 2, The observation car roof end is not correct. The end light should be raised and not recessed and the roof panels were very visible, not smooth like in the model. 3, Ride height seems even higher than other...
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rusty Traque ·
4, The dome on the observation is in the wrong location. 5, It may be just me, but it looks like the domes also fit poorly. Rusty
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Rusty Traque ·
I figured there was more history to the Rio Grande domes, but I didn't have access to my books at the time. Thanks, Ken. Rusty
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

J Daddy ·
Is there a way to drop the body down lower over the trucks... the " high water flood " look is really bothersome.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

bob2 ·
So far, four different posters have suggested that domes were not lit up on real trains, and one of them actually rode a dome at night. Do you guys still think that Lionel made a major mistake? If you are trying to look out the window at night, interior lighting completely destroys the view. On the other hand, folks outside can see what you are doing with your girlfriend.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

GREENRAIL ·
So here we are in the " Hi-Rail, O27 and Traditional 3-Rail O Gauge " - forum and everyone is getting their undies in a bundle about everything being prototypically correct. I think the set looks awful darn nice. Would look great on any layout. Enjoy that beautiful set!
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SURFLINER ·
OMG could you be a "dirty ole man?
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Rocky Mountaineer ·
Bob, Nobody is looking for the dome to be lit up like a Christmas tree. Instead, having a pleasant subtle glow to the dome would have created an awesome effect rather than pure darkness. That's all we're saying. Undoubtedly, it's likely a cost-cutting move... just like the packaging of these cars. They no longer come in their own individual product boxes. Lionel has dispensed with the individual product box with interior foam liners. See my "first look" thread on the Texas Special 21" cars.
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