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Putnam Division ·
Wow! I don't have a clue.......looking forward to learning! Peter
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El Classico ·
I know I've seen their ads before... The only magazines I have that old are Model Railroader, 1950
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colorado hirailer ·
I have some of those car kits, but mine are of heavyweights. They were produced, I think through WWII and later, by a woman who ran a hobby shop in New York City (I talked to a guy at Wheaton once who had met her. I can't now think of her name, but she was widely known) During the war little was made of metal. Supposedly she ran a good shop and was competent in model trains. I used several different brands of kits to build combine coach cabooses, so may have built one from one of them, but...
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Marty Fitzhenry ·
Herkimer OK trains, maybe. I remember a company with a name like that from maybe Elmira NY. I know they did HO. I remember a guy named Clark Benson from early York days that did aluminum cars. I think he was out of Conn. Thats all I have.
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PaperTRW ·
I'm fairly certain Rail Chief was a brand manufactured by Model Railroad Equipment Corp. of New York, NY, in the 1950's. Its proprietor was Carmen Webster. TRW
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Jim Policastro ·
Like Todd said, the Rail Chief line was produced by MR Equipment Corp. on W. 45th in New York. They made everything from rolling stock to track laying supplies, to structures and even farm animals under that brand. Here are a few ads that appeared during the late forties and early fifties. The first ad is the oldest when they were located on 42nd St, before they moved to their more famous basement location on W 45th. I wouldn't be surprised if the aluminum extrusions were made for them by...
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bigtruckpete ·
Very interesting. I'm always amazed at the wealth of knowledge on here regarding the hobby.
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kennyb ·
WOW! Is all I can say.This is the greatest hobby in the World!!For me,finding stuff like this and learning the history behind it,is why I'm into it. I knew someone here would know something about these passengers,but to actually see an old ad,IS Amazing. It must have been a great time to be alive and in New York City back then!!!
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kennyb ·
I gotta ask a few more questions now! Where these kits made for 2 rail or 3 rail use?(I guess it wouldn't matter?) Was there a vista dome available ?A baggage car? What years did they offer the kits for sale?,I see in the ad,it looks like you could only buy them from Hobbyshops?(Is this what"Available only from our jobbers"mean?) And of course,what year did the Company stop it's Rail Chief line,and when did they Open and when did they get out of the Business? I had never seen these cars...
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Jim Policastro ·
Kenny, It really was great growing up in NYC as a kid who loved trains in the fifties and early sixties. I made weekly trips on the subway to Manhattan from our apartment in the Bronx just to make the rounds of the train stores. MRE Corp was always the highlight with shelves of brass locos in HO and O and a back room where it seemed they had anything you could possibly need for the layout. Too bad my main interest was in HO at the time. I hate to think what I missed on the Lionel side of the...
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play trains ·
Very interesting topic! I too am always amazed at the wealth of knowledge on this forum! The people on this forum may not know it all about model trains but I suspect they know all things knowable! Terrific resource!
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bob2 ·
Full length scale aluminum extrusions were available from Kasiner and CRC, both smooth side and with Pullman style corrugations. It is possible that these were Kasiner extrusions, packaged with better ends. More recently, Clark Benson got Lionel to extrude some aluminum bodies, but they all had those horrible letterboards about midway up from the floor to the windows, making them unusable for a scale model railroad. Had he (or Lionel) chosen the baggage car extrusion, he would have captured...
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pdx1955 ·
Probably 25 years ago, I bought the HO version from an antique shop - same exact box and the car was made the same as the larger O variant. The foam diaphragms were pretty much crumbled away (surprised to see the foam still in good condition here). Peter
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colorado hirailer ·
Mine are heavyweights, and I have never seen Rail Chief aluminum kits/cars before (but that car looks familiar, as though I've seen it under another brand), although I have seen other heavyweight kits than mine. Yes, Carmen Webster was the name; she was described to me as very knowledgable in model trains, well known in the business, and, as, also, having an, uh, "active" love life. I vaguely seem to think that one of the train collectors magazines, or maybe it was the old Railroad Model...
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Jim Policastro ·
The internet is amazing! A photo of Carmen Webster and her dog Puddles - 1949. I think that article was in the TCA Quarterly. Jim
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Putnam Division ·
Great info to be sure! Thanks! Peter
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MTN ·
AMT's first streamlined passenger cars were smothsided models. They came out in the late 40s, were sandcast aluminum and weighed a ton; they were available as coaches and observations. They were painted for PRR (tuscan with gold Pullman lettering) and NYC (gray with Pullman lettering). The Deluxe fluted AMT cars appeared in 1950 and initially had smooth roofs, thick one piece extruded aluminum bodies and a separate underframe. A later change involved making the sides separate parts (the roof...
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Marty Milner ·
Kaisner ,Midland Reproductions, Clark Benson as well as E P Alexander made aluminum cars. the Alexander cars were an interesting design as they were a roof and upper sides and a floor with lower sides and a metal window stripe that fitted in between. I have a PRR congressional set made of these cars. JC models made aluminum heavy weight cars which were latter made by all nation.
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bob2 ·
I forgot about Alexander and Midland. They were the other option for scale Budd cars. Both used the separate window idea, but I am told they were different extrusions. OK is still doing extruded cars - Bob Delbridge can tell you more about them. I had no idea Carmen Webster was that attractive.
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C W Burfle ·
I have a few "O" gauge Rail Chief products. I have a kit to build a wooden station platform, a kit to make telephone poles, and several different types of cast metal animals. I believe I have cows, horses, pigs and sheep. As I recall the cows come four pieces to a box. Probably the horses too. There are more pieces in the pigs and sheep boxes. I have never owned any of their rolling stock.
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WftTrains ·
Jim: This thread prompted me to get out my 144-page 8½” x 11” book dated 1950 from Carmen Webster’s Model RR Equipment Corp. titled “Manual and Catalog of All Gauges” to see if I could find any references to those Rail Chief passenger cars. The book is primarily a catalog of their products for scale model railroading but the last seven pages show toy trains with the first few pages in that section identified as “Tinplate” to distinguish it from the scale products. I looked for references to...
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colorado hirailer ·
Fantastic collection of catalogs above. I have one Rail Chief open platform passenger kit I can find quickly (others are in a larger box as kit boxes were falling apart), and, from that same era, I also have open platform combine kits by "Hawk" and "Sycamore Hollow". Hawk, better known for airplane models, made car kits lettered for the Denver and Salt Lake, so are interesting to me, and that means the kits were made prior to the mid 1940's, when the D&SL merged into the D&RGW.
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rheil ·
Bob, A dealer had about a half dozen Midland dome car and sleeper kits for sale at the October 31st Cleveland 2 rail show. I think the asking price was about $50 per kit.
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bob2 ·
I never cared for the four piece approach. All of my aluminum streamliners are one piece extrusions. I have a special jig set up if I want to start out with a blank - I can have any window arrangement I want.
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bob2 ·
I do like the Midland domes - a bit tricky to solder and fit, but once that is done, they are about as good as domes get. I still have not figured out how to glue the windows in.
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kennyb ·
Thanks Everybody for all the great info!! I do believe these O gauge cars I have are RAIL CHIEF passengers. Here are a few more photos of the End Pieces and The Vista Dome,which I think I am going to be able to bring back from the dead. These ends have the same type of ends that the HO Rail Chief passengers,from what I've seen in photos of the HO cars.Maybe they did not do many cars in O gauge,but the ones I have are definitely O gauge. From all the great knowledge posted on this thread,I...
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aterry11 ·
Mr. Rheil,, You Would Hopefully remember who this dealer is? Name anything? steer me towards the right direction as I need a couple domes of rare configuration which Midland May have produced. Need NP domed sleepers. 2 to finish North Coast Limited. I learned more about who did what in extrusions here and that is Grand. I realize that was then and this now, Hopefully somebody ? anybody? Chime in Please!!!!
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Jim Policastro ·
Kenny, Those ends look just like the ones I've seen on the Kasiner/Herkimer OK streamliners. It looks very likely that they produced the Rail Chief line for Model Railroad Equipment Corp. Jim
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Rod Stewart ·
"Puddles" I love the dogs name. I am guessing, but I think I know how the name came about! Rod
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RoyBoy ·
That was my observation also.
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kennyb ·
Yep,That lady looks like a real firecracker for sure!!Ah,a woman who owns/runs a trainstore!I can tell just by looking at her,you DO NOT want to make this lady mad!!Actually,I've read that she was very nice to her customers,but she did not put up with any 'Monkey Business" from the customers.
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colorado hirailer ·
Carmen Webster, and Bobbye Hall in Texas, are two women who made a contribution to this hobby. I wonder if there are/were others?
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Re: Lionel Empire State Express Century Club II Passenger Cars

leapinlarry ·
This is a very nice looking set. I have the set complete with engine, also the complete Century Club 2 Collection....These are well worth searching FOR...There should be some of these sets out there. Happy New Year and keep us posted....
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TakeTheATrain ·
Thanks...I also have the 38000 engine/tender and it's great looking. Would be nice to complete the set with the original Lionel 18' cars, but also like the k-line 15' or 18' cars too.
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Jeff2035 ·
After MWAX516 gets his, if anyone has another set, I would like a complete set also.
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Re: 3rd Rail Passenger Car Couplers

pennsyforever ·
Dear Richie: I ended up gluing metal pieces to the couplers to hold them together. Just too much space between them. Pennsyforever
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Rev Richie ·
Hey John... This seems to be a common problem on 3rd Rail Coaches. You can replace them with Weaver passenger trucks or glue a piece of plastic to the coupler knuckle to prevent them from slipping apart. The guys at 3rd Rail were not very helpful and would not replace the trucks.
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Hot Water ·
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rheil ·
This problem existed on earlier heavyweight P70 plastic passenger car runs from GGD. While the cars would not necessarily uncouple, the couplers would move downward thus separating the train when a heavy load was put on the train ie a good number of cars, yet the couplers remained in the closed position. Make sense? Hot Water has a good solution to this problem - use Kadee couplers.
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Re: Was there add- On sets to Lionel's #25518 & 39008 PRR Passenger 4 packs?

lionel89 ·
Yes, there were add-on cars made. 39008's add-on cars were 39050 ( baggage and dinner). 25518's add-on cars were 25519 (baggage and sleeper) and 25520 (stationsounds dinner). Hope this helps...
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Re: Was there add- On sets to Lionel's #25518 & 39008 PRR Passenger 4 packs?

CAPPilot ·
If you are looking to make your 6-25518 consist longer, there are a few other cars that will fit in. They are the K-Line K-44802 Pullman "Carnegei", the Lionel 6-25637 Pullman "Macatawa", and the Lionel 6-15558 coach #3473. The Macatawa from the Red Arrow set and the coach (sold separately) have no stripes, but that was prototypical for the late 40s/50s.
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Re: Lionel Wabash Bluebird 21" Passenger Set

Rocky Mountaineer ·
That is a HUGE disappointment. I guess that'll be yet another customization project folks will need to tackle with these cars... perhaps the same time they add passengers to the interiors. I'm not sure what I'd do if it were me. Given that it's not just the "one" Vista dome car, but FOUR... I'd almost be inclined to return them to my dealer. I'm expecting my Texas Special set to arrive tomorrow (Tuesday), and I think that set is supposed to have just one Vista Dome... so it won't be AS big...
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N&W 1218 ·
The more I think about the dome lighting the more it grinds my gears. This is a special set, my Dad worked for the Wabash. I'm keeping it but I won't be buying the UP set to go behind the 8444. I'll be getting with cJack and he'll help me put lights where there are none!
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bob2 ·
If I were paying extra to ride in a dome and they kept the lights on I would be ****ed.
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bob2 ·
Peesed?
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Boilermaker1 ·
So in both of the pictures you posted of individual cars, the rear end of the dome isnt sitting flush on the roof... Forget the lights, whats up with that?
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Scratchbuilder1-48 ·
I think the domes are the wrong style
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Putnam Division ·
Very cool looking set! Peter
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Pat Kn ·
Beautiful set. The unlighted dome would bug me too. Enjoy them.
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Fred Brenek ·
You are absolutely correct. The Lionel domes are WRONG. Fred
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