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Re: the New river trips with 765.

Robert K ·
When was the last year 765 ran those trips? I would suspect early 90's, before NS axed their program. CSX started to turn sour toward steam around the same time. When you have people like David Goode, E. Hunter Harrison, or Michael Ward in charge of a railroad, the chance for steam is almost nil. Those guys only care about the bottom line and avoiding anything that costs money without a profit in return. Like steam programs. At least Wick Moorman at NS has a heart. There was not one mainline...
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juniata guy ·
Robert: Much as I appreciate those railroads that do allow steam excursions, I can still see where those who don't have made a legitimate business decision, particularly from the perspective of potential liability. While Wick may be a railfan, he is also a very astute business man. If he didn't percieve a bottom line benefit that more than balances the potential liability, the NS steam program would not be happening either. Why does Wick see a benefit where the others do not? "Different...
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SJC ·
Originally Posted by Robert K: When you have people like David Goode, E. Hunter Harrison, or Michael Ward in charge of a railroad, the chance for steam is almost nil. Those guys only care about the bottom line and avoiding anything that costs money without a profit in return. Like steam programs. At least Wick Moorman at NS has a heart. I'm sure most of the other guys have hearts. Contrary to the belief of most railfans, perhaps yourself as well, steam is NOT A MUST! It is not a right.
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Re: the New river trips with 765.

Rich Melvin ·
Originally Posted by superwarp1: I was wondering this very thing when 765 was due for inspection. So the major overhaul she got bringing her back to manufacturer specs is not require this time around, I'm guessing? Or she's be down longer? Holding up very well I can see. The work that will be required in 2019 is nowhere near as extensive as what was required on the overhaul of 2002 - 2005. That overhaul included major running gear work with the entire running gear out from under the...
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Robert K ·
Do you remember the Glass City Limited trips in June, 1985 over the Conrail ex-Erie from Buffalo to Corning, NY? The tracks are NS now. Would a run like that be possible with NS in the future? Doesn't the old NKP go through Erie, PA to Buffalo from Ohio, and Fort Wayne? I saw a couple sites with photos from that trip. Back then they allowed open windows and vestibules. Were you engineer on those trips, Rich?
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SJC ·
Originally Posted by Robert K: Do you remember the Glass City Limited trips in June, 1985 over the Conrail ex-Erie from Buffalo to Corning, NY? The tracks are NS now. Would a run like that be possible with NS in the future? Doesn't the old NKP go through Erie, PA to Buffalo from Ohio, and Fort Wayne? I saw a couple sites with photos from that trip. Back then they allowed open windows and vestibules. Back then was a different era, a different world. Back then, you could get a paper cut and...
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Robert K ·
How can non-class 1 railroads like Reading and Northern, Steamtown, and other tourist lines get away with using open window coaches? Different rules? Also most of those coaches have the older journal bearings that are banned on class 1's today. NS stopped using heavyweights in 1986 after the 611 Dismal Swamp accident. Only exception today is an Amtrak certified car like Dover Harbor but the windows can't be opened but it's an older heavyweight upgraded.
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SJC ·
As I understand it, NS chose to purposely require closed windows. I know of no FRA rule against open windows. It is their playground, they make the rules. Just be happy they let a fine group such as the FWRHS out to run occasionally. If NS says closed windows, the windows will remain closed. Again, their rules, their sandbox. I may be wrong however I don't believe friction or plain bearings are banned on Class 1s. They are only banned from interchange service AFAIK. I think, for example, the...
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Re: the New river trips with 765.

Rich Melvin ·
Originally Posted by SJC: ...Just be happy they let a fine group such as the FWRHS out to play occasionally. ...for example, the 765 has plain bearings on the drivers and it does just fine on NS. SJC, I know you didn't mean anything by it, but I really take offense when someone says we are going out to "play" with the 765. There is no "playing" involved when we are out on the road running that locomotive. It is a serious, high-risk, capital-intensive business. Do we enjoy doing it? Of course...
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SJC ·
Rich, I apologize for the poor choice in words. It certainly was not my intention to upset anyone. Granted I've never worked on mainline steam (but did enjoy photographing and riding the 765 over HS curve last year) and as the (very) occasional weekend railroader, I understand the dangers and risk involved with working on any sort of rail equipment. I always have held the FWRHS in high regards and will continue to do so. A fine group and an absolutely amazing machine. I edited my original post.
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Robert K ·
What turned CSX sour on steam? They used to allow it, like the New River trips. NS also grew cold toward steam after David Goode took over and he killed it Dec 1994. Wick Moorman is the only reason steam is back on NS. Is it true that there were no class 1 railroad steam excursions anywhere in the eastern US in 1995 and up?
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NKP779 ·
At the risk of speaking out of turn for the 765's mechanical gurus, considering all the work that is done every off-season, the main thing that will be needed in 2019-2020 is just the boiler work. The FWRHS already has a large chunk of funds set aside for the material needed. Considering the new flue sheets installed in about 2005-6 are still very good, we shouldn't have anything like that. Rich Melvin's view that this could be done over the winter should be "right on".
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Robert K ·
Then what was the point on restoring 611 if it would have nowhere to operate? If a guy like David Goode or E. Hunter Harrison takes over NS you can say bye bye 21st Century Steam. But on TVRM and FWRHS sites they say that there will be more excursions in 2015. 4501 hasn't even hit NS yet and the 611 group plans to run excursions on NS once it's done In 2015. Sites are saying NS steam will be back in spring 2015, the fall cancellation was just a temporary downtime due to crew shortages. But...
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N&W Class J ·
As we all know it doesn't take much... a new CEO, high traffic volumes and so on.
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Rich Melvin ·
Robert, the Norfolk Southern 21st Century Steam Program is alive and well for 2015. When the 765 goes in for its 15 year overhaul in 2019, that work can be completed over one winter maintenance season. 765 won't be out of service for all that long.
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superwarp1 ·
Originally Posted by OGR Webmaster: Robert, the Norfolk Southern 21st Century Steam Program is alive and well for 2015. When the 765 goes in for its 15 year overhaul in 2019, that work can be completed over one winter maintenance season. 765 won't be out of service for all that long. I was wondering this very thing when 765 was due for inspection. So the major overhaul she got bringing her back to manufacturer specs is not require this time around, I'm guessing? Or she's be down longer?
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Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by superwarp1: Originally Posted by OGR Webmaster: Robert, the Norfolk Southern 21st Century Steam Program is alive and well for 2015. When the 765 goes in for its 15 year overhaul in 2019, that work can be completed over one winter maintenance season. 765 won't be out of service for all that long. I was wondering this very thing when 765 was due for inspection. So the major overhaul she got bringing her back to manufacturer specs is not require this time around, I'm...
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Dieselbob ·
Nice.. Let us know when you have something of value to add to the conversation.
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Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by Kent Loudon: What is Kansas City Southern's (the OTHER Class 1) official position on steam? Ever since that Southern Pacific 2-8-2 group from down in New Orleans area, caused a big mess while out on the KCS (nobody was paying close attention in the cab, and upon topping a grade the low water caused a few "drop plugs" to blow-out and extinguish the oil fire. Big FRA investigation over THAT), I'm sure it will be a cold day in you-know-where before the current KCS...
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Re: the New river trips with 765.

RickO ·
Originally Posted by Dieselbob: Nice.. Let us know when you have something of value to add to the conversation. I like seeing steam locomotives operating "again" just as much as the next guy. But the reality is.....SJC pretty much covered it. In addition, 99.99% of the general public could care less about a steam locomotive, making it seem like even "less of a good idea" for the railroad thats busy moving goods. And of course the incident Hotwater posted above as another example of "why not."
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Dieselbob ·
If you think 99.9% of the people don't care about steam, then maybe you have never rode behind 765. I never cease to be amazed by the sheer number of people that show up trackside just to catch a glimpse of it. It's not uncommon around here to get 30-40 people at a single country grade crossing, and then the next, and then the next. Once again, I am not suggesting that CSX has to participate in the operation of steam excursions, what I am suggesting is that have a recent history of being...
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Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by Dieselbob: If you think 99.9% of the people don't care about steam, then maybe you have never rode behind 765. Just a thought but, the population of the good old U.S.A. is something well over 250 MILLION people, so .01% would still reflect one he$$ of a LOT OF PEOPLE. Or am I wrong?
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Larry Neal ·
The New River trips and the NCTM trips in Spencer use the same AMTRAK consist, just changing the private cars. Since the late 90s, this has been the status quo. It is easier to operate the trains as an AMTRAK special move on routes already with regular service. Other organizations may use the same consist before or after these trips. AMTRAK uses spare cars due to a drop in servic, mainly coaches and cafe cars. Even with no steam, they still regularly sell out, and generally have no...
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Kent Loudon ·
What is Kansas City Southern's (the OTHER Class 1) official position on steam?
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Robert K ·
Only other way would have been call up CSX or Amtrak, have them send diesel units over to pull the train minus 765 to the Amtrak station if that would have been possible. Maybe Amtrak would have been easier to work with than CSX for moving an excursion train like two miles over CSX track?
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Dieselbob ·
That would have been a logistical nightmare, never mind the financial implications. once you involve Amtrak, you would have to be on THEIR insurance, they have no personnel in the area to supervise such a move, and CSX would not likely been amused about their main line tied up for 2-3 hours while this non- Amtrak train sat st the station. Plus, you now tie up a NS locomotive and ANOTHER crew, which costs real money. NS has been so great in even allowing a trip like this to even happen, you...
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Matt Kirsch ·
Oh SJC, you didn't just say that! I've said similar in the past, and have since been "educated." A steam program is absolutely necessary for a successful railroad. CSX does not have a steam program because they are just plain mean. Business has nothing to do with it. Certain individuals at UP are not intentionally trying to make their steam program so dysfunctional that the higher-ups cancel it. They're just incompetent.
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Robert K ·
And CSX has essentially banned all steam from their rails, including all outside parties. Nobody can run a steam excursion on CSX no matter what. Is that why last year 765 had to drop people off at an NS yard in Lafayette, IN and buses took them into town and back and 765 could not run to the Amtrak station because the tracks are CSX? So you will never see steam on the route of the Cardinal, or from Baltimore through Point of Rocks, MD? Is it Michael Ward that has a dislike for steam or...
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rdunniii ·
Waaaa! Airlines are mean because they do not have airplane fan trips with DC3s or Constellations.
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Dieselbob ·
Originally Posted by rdunniii: Waaaa! Airlines are mean because they do not have airplane fan trips with DC3s or Constellations. Apples to oranges comparison though, because the airlines don't own the sky. No airline can stop me from flying a vintage aircraft. The railroads CAN stop people from being able to enjoy steam engines in their natural habitat. I don't care that CSX doesn't want to do a steam program, I don't care a whole lot that CSX does not want outside steam excursions on their...
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Dieselbob ·
Originally Posted by Dieselbob: Originally Posted by Robert K: Is that why last year 765 had to drop people off at an NS yard in Lafayette, IN and buses took them into town and back and 765 could not run to the Amtrak station because the tracks are CSX? Pretty much true, at least from the information I was given by the FWRHS. 765 was not allowed on CSX tracks, and the CSX tracks are BETWEEN the NS tracks and the passenger platform, meaning passengers would have trek across the CSX tracks.
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NKP779 ·
765 last pulled the New River trains in fall 1993. FWRHS leased the MILW 261 and used it to provide the motive power for the New River Trains in fall 1994. FWRHS provided the engineers, crew, tool car and aux. tank, along with organizational reputation, experience and a "comfort factor" for CSX. Dieselbob is right on the mark about Lafayette, plus there was over 1000 feet of fence along the east side of the NS main and no gates to let people through! It just wouldn't work.
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kgdjpubs ·
Originally Posted by B&LE643: while watching the Fort Wayne railway Historical Society's newest DVD listen for the whistle. curiosity has gotten me was there ever a time. that CSX train dispatchers didn't root you across the bridge at Hawks Nest. The 1991 NRHS Convention doubleheader with the 1225 was routed down the south side. I believe it was done as a special request for the CSX photographer who wanted to shoot the other bridge at Sewell. Kevin
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the New river trips with 765.

B&LE643 ·
while watching the Fort Wayne railway Historical Society's newest DVD listen for the whistle. curiosity has gotten me was there ever a time. that CSX train dispatchers didn't root you across the bridge at Hawks Nest. Another question of mine is rich...
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UK Trip

Dan Padova ·
We had the good fortune to vacation in the Cotswolds in England the last couple of weeks. While there I visited the Swindon Railway Museum and the Didcot Railway Centre. Swindon is a museum, while Didcot is a working restoration railway similar to Steamtown here in Pennsylvania. Both were very enlightening. Here's a short video of what I saw. https://youtu.be/IPoWDHjW8-4
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Lionel 153c electrical track trip for 027 tubular

Drummer3 ·
Does anyone know if this works with 027 tubular track, or just for O tubular track? Also, it appears to be SPDT. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/zdrummer72/videos
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ConrailFan ·
Sure it works with 0-27, when I was growing up I had plenty of those contactors and all I had was 0-27 track. It took a little patience on my part to get it to work right, but when I finally had it set up the way I wanted it worked pretty good. And I had it set up in my room on my carpet.
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rrvics ·
It works for either O or 027.
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phillyreading ·
It works with either 027 or O gauge track. If 027 you may want to put it near 2 tracks that connect together and have the connector rest on the 2 ties that are close together. Lee Fritz
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David Johnston ·
It is an SPDT. You can use it to turn on the red and green lights on a signal.
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Drummer3 ·
I suppose these can throw turnouts as well? I need to find a diagram where 2 or 3 engines can run / stop on the same loop.
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David Johnston ·
I am only fimilar with the Lionel postwar switches. The O22 family of switches turns the power to the coil off when it throws. The 153C contactor could be used to throw these switches. The 0-27 1122 switches use a momentary SPDT controller switch to operate them as the switch does not turn its self after it throws. I think using the 153C contactor to throw the 0-27 switches would put them at risk of burning up. Lionel did put out a diagram on how to wire a loop with two passing sidings where...
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Moonman ·
here is the Lionel D-63 that uses the contactor method.
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Matt aka Papa ·
Dave Check out this 1954 manual . It may help. I know it has helped me run 2 trains on one track .
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MTH Z4000 onboard breakers not tripping

oldschoolrail ·
I have a new to me used z4000 transformer. I ran it for the first time tonight. I have an upper track and lower track...so I'm using both sides of the transformer. I noticed when I had a derailment that the onboard circuit breaker(s) didn't trip as they did quite quickly on my two lionel transformers (cw80 and gw180). I tested the track by shorting out the center and outer rail with a screw driver and although I got sparks and almost welded the screwdriver to the track, the circuit breaker...
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Moonman ·
I strongly disagree with uber. The Z-4000 breakers (10 amp track) are designed for a fast trip to protect the electronics on the engines. Perhaps not as fast as Lionel's, but still fast.
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Zep ·
So inline fuses or the psx-ac is the way to go for the z4000? I've always found it shuts down pretty quickly, but want to protect my legacy engines as much as possible.
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oldschoolrail ·
Ok, this is where I show my ignorance even more. What inside the transformer would shut off the throttle? And what is a FET? And what would it then take to trip the external breakers because, as mentioned before, one small short on the track on the lionel cw or gw and those breakers tripped instantly. Thanks!!
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Engineer-Joe ·
The breakers on my Lionel 180 watt bricks trip for any reason. They are fast. Sometimes too fast. The breakers or whatever's inside my Z4000, have not tripped. They don't protect enough. Install inline fuses after the Z4000. (I have them with the Lionel bricks too even though they have never blown.) I have popped many fuses. Although it's a pain, it's better than many other things popping.
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Alan Mancus ·
the micro processor control board detects a short circuit and quickly throttole banck the currwent to prevent electronic board damage! a FET is a field effect transistor is a device used to control voltage and current circuits think of it like a water spout and controls the flow of electrons threw the circuit being used ok! that's as simple as I can explain it and not loose you or confuse you ok ! hope you understand fet is in effect a valve controlling electron flow! Alan
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