Tagged With "J3a Hudson"

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Lionel NYTC 6-28072 Hudson J3a

T Lo ·
I'm looking to buy a Lionel NYTC 6-28072 Hudson J3a with the BOXPOK DRIVER SET....Please contact me.....Thank you... Tony DiVecchio divecchio@mindspring.com
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J3a sample with Dave Olson

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 ·
Did anyone catch Dave's little skit on Friday with two of the J3a Hudson samples? Here's the video(hopefully) with one of the pulling the 20th Century tender to the Niagara. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158681949728345&id=135645573344&refid=52&__tn__=-R
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WTB: Sunset 3rd Rail NYC J3a Unstreamlined 4-6-4

VintageClassics ·
Looking for a used or mostly new Sunset 3rd Rail NYC Super Hudson. Thanks!
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Lionel 6-38041 NYC J3a Hudson (Loco) #5433 Repair Help

RichardVB ·
I need to install side rods on my Hudson. I bought it this way and don't know why they are missing. So, questions: Lionel shows only the LH side rod is available. I need the RH too. Are they the same? If not, how can I get my hands on RH? Also, I likely can perform the repairs myself. Any advice on how to perform repairs without stripping the screws, using loc-tite or other method of holding the screws in place after I perform the repair? Should I order extra screws in the event I damage...
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MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

MrMuffin'sTrains ·
Yes, there have been several versions of the new Lionel NYC J3a Hudson announced in the 2019V1 Catalog and through other dealers' special runs. However, for some of you, this is the one that you asked to have made, and it's being made as an exclusive for MrMuffin'sTrains by Lionel. It's features include: All black; no white walls or white stripes No class lights All boxpok wheels Dark grey boiler – no silver Darkened siderods Darkened cylinder caps PT Tender, with water scoop steam effect...
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Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

J Class Hudson Fan ·
Hello everyone! Fairly new o gauge model railroader here. I recently picked up a Lionel 2002 50th anniversary 6-31705 set consisting of J3a Hudson #5433 and five passenger cars NEW IN BOXES. The Hudson, however, is having some issues. When running it with the Legacy v1.6 remote, as soon as I turn the throttle wheel, it takes off at full speed. It gave me quite a fright the first time. I have tried reseting the factory ID# to 74, but nothing changes. Also, when I run It conventionally, I...
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Re: Lionel 6-38041 NYC J3a Hudson (Loco) #5433 Repair Help

RichardVB ·
Thank-you for the advice. If you know of someone who has 6SP8072322 SIDE ROD / RH / NYC J-3a HUDSON please send them my way!
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Re: Lionel 6-38041 NYC J3a Hudson (Loco) #5433 Repair Help

Norton ·
Update, I was told by someone who recently tried to purchase Hudson siderods from MTH that they may, in fact, be out of stock though they may have complete frames. Worth a call, none the less. The consequence of using two left hand rods is either the grease cups (small nubs at the ends) would be pointing down or if you flipped it over end to end the simulated hinged section of the rods would be forward of the center driver, more obviously wrong. The nubs are pretty small and I doubt only you...
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Re: Lionel 6-38041 NYC J3a Hudson (Loco) #5433 Repair Help

harmonyards ·
Hey Richard, if you can’t put your hands on the OE Lionel parts you’re looking for, I do have a pair of MTH Hudson rods you can get from me......do keep in mind the rods I have are as chrome as chrome gets!...I’ve been talking with Pete off line, and we were discussing your parts hunt. He sent me the measurements on the difference between the two.....both Pete and I are more than capable of opening out the center hole if need be for a good fit for smooth operation....if you run out of luck...
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Re: Lionel 6-38041 NYC J3a Hudson (Loco) #5433 Repair Help

RichardVB ·
Very nice! I expect installing the rods merely is the case of removing and reinserting the screws - no magic required here. Right? Once I get this gem up and running, my next advice seeking expedition will be to you all about a number of things - minimum curve, how to use TMCC - just bought it - never used it, and any other advice you could give me. I called and emailed Midge today and await her response RE: rods. Like many, I had smaller Lionel items when I was a kid (still have them). I...
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

J Class Hudson Fan ·
Thank you all very much for your ideas and help. I ended up taking the train to a person nearby who did repairs on Lionel trains. He found that some insulating screws weren't long enough causing the engine to go at full speed. I would have never found this myself, so props to him. Now I can control the engine's speed! The only thing that I am dissatisfied at the moment about is the Rail Sounds 4. So I did some research on upgraded Lionel Rail Sounds boards for NYC Hudsons and I came across 2...
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

RickO ·
Why not just buy the pt tender and renumber the loco? No need to swap sound boards or anything. Just hook the pt tender drawbar to the loco and away you go. I believe all of the prototype ese hudsons were originally "unstreamlined". Streamlining was added , then removed again later in their operating carreer for ease of maintenance . Hudson experts please advise.
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

J Class Hudson Fan ·
RickO posted: RICKO, That would work, (just putting the pt tender behind 5433 and renumbering it 5429), but 5429 was never de-streamlined with a PT tender and is therefor un-prototypical. I know that seems a little crazy but I want to be as prototypical as possible. I am way too crazy for my own good about the NYC Hudson. -Cole
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

harmonyards ·
Keep in mind, 5429 will appear on the rear of the PT tender too....along with the tiny inscription “cenruty club II” .........Pat
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

PaperTRW ·
What don't you like about the RS4? Upgrading to a RS4e board doesn't change the functionality at all. The main purpose for the "e" -- enhanced -- was to eliminate some of the background hissing that was an artifact of the sound compression. This is mostly visible at rest, and once a locomotive is in motion, you can't really hear any difference over the usual layout sounds. If you can find a RS5 board and chipset (but not Legacy 5.5 or 6) that you like, this could be added to your RS4 loco.
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

J Class Hudson Fan ·
Pat, After thinking it over, I guess I will renumber the locomotive 5429. The RS4 on 5433 just doesn't satisfy me and I really like this Hudson being it is one of the 3 out of 9 J3a Hudsons that Lionel has and will produce without marker lights, the other two being custom runs by pat's trains and mr. muffin which I sadly missed out on. Here is a photo of 5429 after its streamlining was removed. No PT tender, but as I know there will never be perfection. Pat, is 5221 an MTH Hudson, or a...
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

Norton ·
AFAIK only the only J1 to get a PT tender was 5221 which Pat has duplicated. If you want a Hudson with a PT tender you pretty much have to stick to J3s which Lionel, 3rd Rail and Williams have done. All of the MTH unstreamlined Hudsons are J1s. Pete
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

harmonyards ·
Cole, let me see here if I can answer some of your questions....John already answered one of them, so let’s recap his correct answer. The older Lionel Hudsons up to 5344 with the Vandy tender are all pullmor power....to make them any kind of performer, a good sized can motor swap is a must. All the CV Hudsons as well are Pullmor powered. Pete (Norton) has a great thread on his CV Pittman swap. The Hudson pictured above is a MTH piece. A J1E model that actually came to me as a 2 rail spoked...
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

J Class Hudson Fan ·
Pete, If you go to the site, https://nycshs.files.wordpress...4/07/pt-tenders.pdf, it shows you nearly every Hudson and niagara to have gained a PT tender. J1b #5203, #5204, #5211, #5214, #5415, #5222, and #5236. J1c #5257, #5263, #5264, #5266, #5267, #5268, #5269, #5270, #5271, #5272, #5273, and #5274. J1d #5291 and #5391. J1e #5333, #5344, and #5401. All of the J1 Hudsons above gained pt tenders. No J2 Hudsons had Pt tenders and at one point every J3a had a PT tender. I am sorry to say...
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

J Class Hudson Fan ·
Pat, Thank you very muck for the help. Before I make the conversion I would like to get a second boiler shell for 5433 and a boiler front for 5444. That way I can renumber the 5444 headlight to 5429 and place it on the 5433 boiler front without marker lights. I want to do this because if I want to I can change the loco back to 5433 and it would look just like how it came out of the box. North Lima Works sells the 5433 shell and Lionel support sells the 5444 boiler front. I also still need to...
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

J Class Hudson Fan ·
Sorry, the PT Tender link isn't working. Just google PT Tender and it will be one of the first links. It's also a pdf. -Cole
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

harmonyards ·
Cole, good catch on my 5221....but heck, I’m not worried at all about it. The central did some crazy things to get these appliances out on the road where they belonged. Not everything that was retrofitted, redone, repaired or swapped over made it into the history books...especially when it came to drivers, the guys in the shops would use up whatever was handy to get a certain machine back on the road again. My grandad was a mechanic on the central right in the Hudson’s heydays, although...
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

harmonyards ·
Easiest thing to do on this instance would be a chassis swap. But one begs the question why? .....however, if you have a CC 773, you could probably find a 785 chassis on the bay and do the swap. I’d check to see if the rods and valve gear are interchangeable by part number, otherwise, you’ll have to source all of that for such a swap....also, keep in mind both of those engines have a derivative of the postwar 2426 tender, which is far from scale. I have a 785 I’m planning on doing a Pittman...
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

PaperTRW ·
You can't put the 785 drivers onto a Century Club 773. Besides the different wheel attachment method, the axles are a different diameter, which means the frame is also different between the two locomotives. What I think you COULD do is use the drivers from the gold-plated 6-28062 700E on the CC773, but they're tough to find. TRW
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

Norton ·
Rather than messing around with a '90s Pullmor hudson why not just get an MTH J1. They all have big Pittmans, spoke drivers, and some even had PT tenders. Then if you want TMCC just gut the electronics and put in ERR. Keep an eye on ebay for wrecked Hudsons or the PS1 20-3020-1 which show up all the time for small money. From around 2005. Pete
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Re: Help! My Lionel J3a 5433 is having speed and direction issues.

J Class Hudson Fan ·
Pete, I looked at the MTH Hudsons and I have to say, I'm impressed. They have a high level of detailing only the k-line Hudson could top. It appears that they have made three models with the PT tender; the very common PS2 #5274 (as shown above), the rare PS2 5344 with scullin disk drivers, and the new PS3 #5334. How hard would it be to convert one to ERR TMCC? I have never done this swap of command systems before. -Cole
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

superwarp1 ·
I’m pretty sure Steve will order as many as he has orders for, weather that’s 25 or 50. With Lionel more than happy to produce but with a deadline of 3/8/19 to get orders in. I’m guessing by Christmas?
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

John Rowlen ·
I ordered my 5415 earlier today, February 8, 2019. The email from Mr. Muffins said they had 22 pre-orders. Mine would make another at 23 or more. It should be a beautiful engine. For all the trains in my collection, the only Hudsons are the Empire State Express #5426 and #5429 with plated tenders that pull my two sets of 21" NYC ESE passenger cars. It will be good to have steam engines for pulling freight; this #5415 and the #5416 Hudson are pre-ordered. It will be a busy Christmas season...
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

harmonyards ·
I’m not 100% sure where you were going with this, and I can’t speak for Steve’s business model, but I also can’t see where offering a second boiler front in the regular cataloged line would hurt anything or anyone. Infact, it would help the other locomotives move.The folks that ordered the special Hudson from Steve, I would think ordered for more reasons than just the boiler front....those orders are comitted by the customer who placed the BTO special custom run. Steve has added another SKU...
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

Super O Bob ·
What is cool about second cab number is that you can cut sales off at 25 on each one. It maintains the exclusivity and collectability. Plus no doubt you might get guys who want to doublehead them and order more than one. I would rather have 1 of 25 of a great hudson, than one of 48! And i personally know several guys who would buy more than one cab number... lots of us want hudson to come out of the box with NO class lights... The demand is there, lionel minimum of 25 only helps you...
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

Paul Kallus ·
Without reference to catalog pictures this is confusing. I am trying to figure out, will Mr. Muffin's Hudson look like catalog pictured Hudson No. 5452 (with disc wheels), PT tender, and the primary difference being new cab # and no classification lights? Anything else different?
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

harmonyards ·
Read the initial post, Steve listed the specs clearly line item by line item.....it’s all right there........Pat
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

Paul Kallus ·
I read the description again...I was trying to extrapolate what'd it look like from one of the catalog pictures, but it'll be quite unique if I understand the description correctly. I have been waiting for a Lionel scale Hudson for a few years now, but in B&A roadname.
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

Rider Sandman ·
Hey Pat, also definitely not picking a spat - this is all fun stuff! My only concern - and I think Pete hit on it in his response - is that Steve committed to something unique that if it becomes “ununique” might cause folks to back out and leave him stuck with some of these engines. Remember, he is one of the guys who never requires a deposit. So, my point was intended to be that it may not be in his best interest to lobby for all SKUs (available from everyone) to have the same unique...
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

harmonyards ·
Yes, I see that point....and I see the possible pitfall for Steve,....I’d like to hope the folks that ordered the custom run would not back out if they did, they’d certainly deserve to be tarred and feathered....you are quite correct, Steve is out on a limb, and certainly deserves high praises for his efforts, so I tip my hat to him......perhaps if Steve holds some sort of exclusive or comes up with a plan to offer these other key components folks are looking for (myself included) it’ll just...
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

harmonyards ·
Paul, I hear ya, and on another thread they’ve been discussing the B&A J2s......I think the three major drawbacks to using the current tooling for B&A’s are the driver diameter, the unique sand box, and the 4 axle tender that the B&A had coupled to their Hudsons.....Pete (Norton) and I were just talking the other day how a Premeir Blue Comet tender would almost be a dead ringer for a B&A J2 ....interesting promise for some future kitbashing.....Pat
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 ·
I myself would like to see some B&A as well, but I don't think this tooling would do for it. Perhaps Steve can influence Lionel to offer them in the future as well as our voices. It would be great if they would make what is right and what we all want, but those are hard to come by. I am pretty certain that if these Hudson sales(their cataloged ones) do very well, this will open the door to try and pursue making others.
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

Paul Kallus ·
I think I am finally figuring how all the Lionel and custom run Hudsons will look: Mr. Muffin's Hudson will look like No. 5413 except all boxpok wheels and no classification lights.
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

John Rowlen ·
Any word on the arrival of the Mr. Muffin's Hudson?
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

MrMuffin'sTrains ·
I talked with Lionel on the 31st and they told me it would be this week sometime before they are in.... We can take a couple more preorders.... Regularly $1499.99 - Pre-order sale priced at $1349.99. Our custom run Hudson is here.
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

c.sam ·
Am sure this has been asked earlier, but is the new legacy Hudson using the K-Line tooling or something new please?
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

RickO ·
K LINES Hudson is a J1e. These Hudsons are J3a's. The ones with class lights use Lionel 6-28072 tooling. Those without class lights use Lionels 6- 38041 tooling. These models are basically the same aside from the class lights. Having said that. Yes there are some small errors( headlight type for one) but,Lionels 6-38041 Hudson is arguably their most accurate as well as highly detailed hudson.
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

Norton ·
Lionel J3a with a correct headlight thanks to Precision Scale. It will be interesting see if Lionel got it right this time but I wouldn't count on it. Pete
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 ·
Ah, the anniversary set. I do remember RickO and or Norton giving me a lengthy explanation about the differences between these two and other such Hudson's on one of the many Hudson topics. It always seems that the 28072 is out on the bay, and the 38041 comes up every now and again.
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

SLQ32 ·
Saw The video of the new Hudson YEP SILVER SMOKE BOX! How disappointing. I live 20 minutes out of Schenectady NY specifically asked the ALCO Museum! NYC USED BLACK GRAPHITE Why Lionel insist on these fantasy colors for NYC is pathetic! Sorry
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

SLQ32 ·
Well Very disappointing for me! Not a new casting!! class light holes filled ONLY!! here is a comparison. Oh the second to last photo has the K Line Hudson all black. So they got the NYC graphite coating CORRECT on the mohawk!!! The Erie Pacific is correct graphite color. WHY CANT THE GET THIS HUDSON RIGHT??????? It’s not rocket science LIONEL!! I don’t why these were even accepted by Mr Muffins trains. They should have all been returned to Lionel! obviously they got the order WRONG. I am...
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

RickO ·
I wonder what they filled it with? They should have dug around in the chinese warehouse a bit more and found the smokebox front tooling for the 38041 hudson without the class lights. A few of the models are depicted as having a darker smokebox in the catalog, including the one in the Pacemaker set. It will be interesting to see if thats actually the case.
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

John Rowlen ·
My Lionel 1931810 New York Central J3a Hudson #5415 from Mr. Muffins Trains is perfect. I checked the boiler front and there are NO flaws, divots, or scratches at all. Can you believe that John Rowlen actually got a perfect engine? The graphite boiler front is the same color as my Challenger #3985, though the paint has a little shine under lights. The Challenger is completely flat - no reflection. All features work well after an hour and a half run time. The engine is pulling five NYC Milk...
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

breezinup ·
There seemed to be a certain amount of variation. Dirt and grime enter in, of course, and we're looking at old black and white images. It appears evidence of lighter colors does show through on the boiler fronts in several of the photos, though.
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Re: MrMuffin'sTrains announces a Custom Run Lionel Legacy NYC J3a Hudson

breezinup ·
Not quite the only one. I remembered reading a comment that Pat (from Pat's Trains) made a while back when he was taking orders for his custom Hudson, which some may find of interest. "I wanted to let you guys know of our solution to the classification lights. I had a great conversation with John Bickford from Lionel today and we talked about the solution of the classification lights on the boiler front. Here is our solution, I will for no extra cost to the customer order extra boiler fronts...
 
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