Hello all Here we have an unique engine ...cast aluminum sections nose, doors (r, l) , roof , back, and a left side that was also used on the right ..note grill differences . The motor has a flywheel on it for the realistic coast to a stop operation . Sporting a weathered ( beat up) vintage Rock Island paint scheme ....which is most fitting for the Rock . Any idea as to who may have made this ? Can we assume this model sold about as well as it's prototype during the 1946-49 period ? A bit of...
I see that the K-Line Fairbanks Morse Trainmasters have the blind driving wheel in the center, as opposed to being at the inner end of the motorized trucks. They are still able to negotiate O31 curves, according to what I read. I'm curious as to how K-Line was able to do this.
I think the answer is straight-up geometry. All you need is to make sure the blind driver does not catch a rail by its edge. But the locomotive itself would look stupid on 16" radius track. It needs 0-120 to look right. Opinion.
"I'm curious as to how K-Line was able to do this." Williams Alco PA and E-7 diesels also have a proper center-blind model truck design (rather than the awful end-blind design). The end-blind design allows a manufacturer to add 3-axle trucks to a frame without changing the pivot-point and maybe other factors used by the 2-axle ("B" truck) design. The end-blind 3-axle type is actually a 2-axle truck with an awkward decoration sticking out of it.
Pivot points remain roughly in the same location whether it be K-Line, Lionel or William's. Placement of the blind driver mid truck doesn't restrict the swing or the ability to negotiate 031 curves. The inherent lateral free play in tinplate type wheel sets prevents binding on flanges. The same geometry allows steam locos with 6 or 8 drivers to traverse the same tight curves, as long as the middle drivers are blind. LionMaster articulated engines can handle 031 for the same reason and look...
Wow! $25 for that kit of castings, keyword is "castings" - this is not even a complete locomotive. That must have been a fortune back then (1946). Even if this was MSRP and the street price was 40% less, that is still expensive. According to the link below, an average month's rent in 1946 was $35 and the average annual income was $2600. And people say O scale is expensive today; however, in reality, they are practically giving away the O scale trains today .
Hello all thank you for your input ..... Rusty it is not a Adams & Son / Garrett / Siebers etc ... below is a EMC/D Adams piece ... Adams provided the castings and you bought the sides from Siebers or Garrett etc ... There are real door stop era Alco DL109's ..out there and they really look like a DL 109 ...... Both FM and Baldwin were trying to look like EMC/D ... as they were a poor RR's copy ... As a copy of a EMC/D ...it lacks all the great lines that made the E-7 a classic ... So...
The slanted nose and side windows and door strongly suggest a EMD E3, E4, or E6. If the nose were a little more blunt, it could be an E7, but lacks the vertical louver behind the cab door. So, E7 is much less likely. But I should add that they did a pitiful job on the shape of the nose. And the side door might not actually be there (almost looks like they tried to have a door there), as it should with an E3,4, or 6.
Just a flash in the back of my worn-out brain pan; I recall reading aeons ago about the area around E and F unit windshields being very difficult and/or expensive to reproduce as a casting. (The American Flyer F9 is a really ugly example IMHO.) Any truth to this vague memory?
Three Adams, one All Nation. My opinion only - The B&O FT has the best. Second is the GN. Worst is the SP, followed closely by the AN UP F-3. I carved the two on the left, and may yet carve a bit more on the GN. Brass/bronze is fixable with solder - I think the AN would work with inserts surrounded by those silver strips. Later plastic models have gotten much better - for instance, the Lionel PA is about as good as they get, and that includes Key, at least in the windshield and nose...
I don't own a Key, although one was here when the MTH casting came back from the foundry, so I could compare shrinkage. From left - early CLW, Lionel plastic, Overland late brass, and MTH in Nickel Silver. Lionel wins in this group shot. The Lionel now has the Overland trucks and gears; the Overland is an empty shell. MTH can easily be fixed - I plan a repaint in the not so immediate future.
Hello Bob nice colorful line up of covered wagons .... who are on the makers ? One nose shot deserves another .... l-r Adams , perhaps Pomona, Baldwin, scratch built ..all heavy , all older than me ( scratch built has a modern paint job) Cheers Carey
Hello Bob thank you for posting the colorful rainbow of your diesels ...very nice Rusty thank you for posting ......how they are suppose to look ....... Being a vintage collector ... I appreciate the "artist" (?) liberties that each of the early manufactures took as they tried to enter the O scale world . .... some did a better job than others .... ..most had day jobs ... Today with digital imaging and 3D printers the tables are leveled among the manufactures ....there is no reason for...
I have 2- railed five of them, and I really have no love at all for plastic trains. These things are stunningly detailed and easy to convert. Flanges on all axles, just like God intended. Two of them were shortened to become CNW "baby" Train Masters.
I was less than thrilled with my K-line Virginian Trainmaster. The first one they sent me all the screwpost were broken. I asked them to replace it. They sent me one with the paint scraped off. "That's all we have." I sold it. Scott Smith
I just tried running my K-Line Train Master on my layout. It fouls on two places where my Lionel does not. Not by much but enough to limit running it to the outside loop. I suspect the slight difference in pivot points combined with the blind wheel location makes the body swing ever so slightly more than it's Lionel cousin.
Rich - at least he didn't type "Trainmaster's" meaning more than one? I was hoping to see a "Custom" Train Master. I did several "Baby" Train Masters for Jim Seacrest a while back. The CNW paint scheme is striking.
Bob2 , I stumbled on your early H16-66 conversions , just minutes ago ... are you on Facebook ? those would look real nice on my Fairbanks Morse Locomotive Enthusiast FB page ... maybe an explanation of how you did it ( or , is it trade secret ? ) thank you ! dave Prasse
The Custom Trains FM Train Master was basically Mike's first Lionel type O gauge engine. Most came in a white box, but at the very end, an MTH style box was possible. The second run had fly wheel motors and later, optional QSI sound.
Dave - no secrets here. The K-Line body has a sweet spot where you can remove an inch, rejoin the two halves, and not see the line at all. It helps to reinforce on the inside by glueing styrene on the sides of one half before final joining. My conversions were of course 2-rail, and NWSL was nice enough to provide all the same kinds of axles so that pickup did not require wipers. Insulation was almost automatic - the steel floorboards had to be cut, so I took more than an inch out and bolted...
This engine is not equipped with dcs. You can operate through a dcs system the same way you could any other conventional engine, by using the variable track power outage. If you want a programmable engine it will need to be upgraded.
This is not a custom paint job but a first run uncataloged item from MTH from the early 1990s and were really quite revolutionary for their increased quality and features from lionel and Williams models available at that time. I had to wait a decade to see actual proof they existed. They were quite the piece to possess at that time and I never saw anyone who would put a price on them. Alas, they have become irrelevant compared to the much improved models that appeared over the next 2 1/2...
I remember when the first Railking steam engines came out. Quite the to do. A die cast engine at an affordable price point. The originals had a casting for a smoke on off switch, but shipped without it. Eventually they supplied the switch. The first run of diesels were Dash 8s if I remember correctly. My collection is replete with early MTH product. They were state of the art at the time as mentioned. Obladi, oblada ...
Dave - the early 16-66 is a modified brass casting with built-up trucks. Body was slightly customized; paint and decals make it really custom. I would rather have had early sand-cast truck sideframes, but the built-up ones will do. I note that you are a real F-M roadie. My exciting new project is a cast brass Erie-Built. I have sand cast roof and trucks from "L V Shops", and have arranged for a pair of sand cast sides to hopefully match. The nose went out yesterday to a lost-plastic artist.
Thanks all who have helped me find out the origin of this locomotive, I think I'll get 2 Lackawanna train master diesels to haul a coal train or even a phoebe Snow passenger train. Who makes good Trainmaster diesels? I'm leaning towards getting a maroon roof Lionel version in the future, maybe even two thanks again, Mason Rascona
I personally believe the K-Line model is the best 3 rail model of the Train Master ever built. While mine is only a conventional version coming out of the K-Line club days when these retailed for $100, it has the best detail of any of the ones I have run across. The brass two rail version from Sunset is absolutely stunning, but not easy to find, two rail, and they run about $700 used. I believe there was a TMCC version of the K-line model as well. Here is an absolutely awful photo of mine.
There is indeed a TMCC version of the K-Line Train Master, I have the PRR model, TMCC, cruise, and RailSounds. It even has smoke. It's a very nice running model. Oddly, Legacy K-Line doesn't mention the cruise in the details, but the CC usually signifies cruise. K2480-8701CC PRR Trainmaster w/Lionel RailSounds, TMCC, Smoke & Electrocouplers
I agree with Jonathon that the K-Line Train Master is really quite well done, especially for the price. I have one each of the Lackawanna and Virginian, both acquired on ebay for $100 or $110 after waiting patiently for the right price. Neither of them is the TMCC version. The ultimate goal is to 2-rail both of them and decorate them in the demonstrator paint scheme. I've 2-railed the trucks on the Virginian, but have not yet split the frame, attached the pilots to the frame, or fabricated...
I too think the K-Line offering was spectacular, and at a hundred bucks it was a steal. I do not like plastic models, yet I have three. But what about that MTH version? From photos, it looked like they deliberately tried to out-do K-Line. I have not seen one in the flesh.
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