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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

Bevis King ·
Almost all MTH cars have to be dismantled first to get to the truck screws. For flat cars this should be simply a case of unscrewing the screws that hold the underframe in place. Once you lift out the underframe, the truck screws will be revealed. The thing is that Atlas trucks have a shoulder which comes up to meet the pivot point on the car and the screws attach from below. Conversely on the MTH cars (at least the modern Premier ones) the car underframe comes down to meet the truck and the...
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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

SundayShunter ·
I've converted the MTH Centerbeam Flat to Atlas trucks. You do need to dismantle the car, as the MTH truck screws are fitted from the top, rather than from underneath. I use the Atlas truck with the plastic 'spacer' attatchment supplied with them as spares, with a small metal washer to help centering, as the MTH hole is a bit wider than the Atlas piece, & I also use a thin rubber 'O' ring of about 1/2" overall dia. between the truck & frame to reduce 'wobble', as tightening the Atlas...
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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

Alan Hummel ·
Thank you BEVIS KING&SUNDAYSHUNTER for your help on the centerbeams. My car must be old as it has no Kadee pads. I'm going to have to do a lot of careful measuring to get this right. These cars should have lower shelf couplers. For those in the more modern era where these are used,go to this link. https://www.dropbox.com/s/brli...%2011.27.03.jpg?dl=0 Wish I could get more info on these plus a release date as well as pricing. Thanks again gentlemen. As Always, Al Hummel
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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

Mike DeBerg ·
Al, Look like some great coupler options for modern era guys. Which ones are those?
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Alan Hummel ·
Mike , Yes,these look great. They are a Protocraft type coupler,though not produced by Protocraft. There's a single lower shelf,a double shelf for tankers and an H tightlock for passenger cars. According to the photos,they've been produced but not cleared for release to us modelers yet. I don't know why someone hasn't at least announced that the project is in the works even if not ready for sale. Did you see the new Prototype model of a Racor operating groundthrow switchstand? This model is...
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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

Mike DeBerg ·
Thanks Al. Definitely interested in these advancements for O Scale!
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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

AGHRMatt ·
I've converted three older MTH center beam cars from hi-rail to 2-rail, partly because the original truck locations on the cars were incorrect, partly because I'm a not-so-closeted 2-railer running at a 3-rail club. The conversion technique I used was a combination of how Brian Biggs converted early MTH auto racks, Dave Branum's conversion article from O Scale News several years ago, and a tweak I did to better support the trucks. First, the photos: Burlington Northern car before conversion.
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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

Mike DeBerg ·
Matt, Nice conversion. Thanks for sharing!
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AGHRMatt ·
Thanks. Sometime in the next few weeks I'll be doing a couple of auto racks.
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Scratchbuilder1-48 ·
Nice conversion , makes for a more prototype ride height , too bad none of MTH's cars have an accurate road number , no large railroads have 4 digit road numbers , shows how lame MTH is in the research dept. so to finish the job now one must find a road number that matches the car type and paint scheme
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hibar ·
Matt you mention that the newer MTH centerbeams have the trucks mtd correctly, obviously a newer bottom frame, the newest catalog still pictures these cars with the older out to the end truck mtg is this just a catalog use of older pics ? or has MTH indeed put a new frame with correct truck mtg locations, would like to know for sure before I pre order some.
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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

Mike DeBerg ·
Hands down one of the best conversions done on the MTH centerbeams, is this car from Bernie Winkler....
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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

Mike DeBerg ·
IMO, especially if you plan on using Atlas 100-ton RB trucks, I would gut that part of the bottom underframe, including the bolster. I've done that with old and newer MTH cars with great success. Will send photos later today. Similar to the photos above from Matt... Definitely not the quality of Bernie's work, but provides a great ride height as well as gives a much better side appearance without the center sill. I've rebuilt the center sill with styrene as well as just cut off the drop...
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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

hibar ·
Modifying older MTH centerbeams is not a problem, still asking if the newest releases of what appears to still be the original MTH tooling on these cars has corrected the truck spacing, Matts original post seems to indicate this is the case, as all ways SCRATCHBUILDER1-48s work is exceptional.
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Jeff78rr ·
The newer centerbeam cars have the trucks in the correct position- this was corrected many years ago, but they are still using the old artwork in catalog pics.
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Mike DeBerg ·
Sorry Hibar, yes the trucks are in the correct position on the newer cars as Jeff points out. I was trying to suggest that depending on the trucks you plan on using and the look you're going for, might still be a better plan to modify the car regardless of old vs new?
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Jeff78rr ·
Mike, first- nice pics!! And I agree, modifying the bolster here lowers the car to a more realistic ride height.
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hibar ·
Thanks for info, I use Weaver diecast RB 36T 2 rail trucks, kaydee w/long shaft couplers and add cut levers and air hoses, will order from latest Catalog so as to not cut up frame and modify bolster area accordingly for correct ride and coupler height. I hope eventually Atlas produces this car I think in a Masterline version [either line would work for me] it would sell out. JMO
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AGHRMatt ·
Outstanding work as always, Bernie. The big reason I didn't just use MTH 2-rail trucks on the UP cars was that the car rides about 1/8" too high. The end sill "bump" on the MTH car should be notched out for the coupler. Even though it appears the prototypes use long-shank couplers, I opted for standard length 700-series Kadees as they'll clear sharp curves and the standard shanks are actually a bit longer than prototype anyway. What's starting to bug me is that the only ones showing up on...
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Re: CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

Mike DeBerg ·
I absolutely agree with you on Atlas making this in the masterline, it would be the new standard in O scale. Similar to what Atlas accomplished with the Trinity 5161 covered hopper. I would be in for CN, IC, WC, BCR, TTX, GTW, AOK just to name a few!
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hibar ·
Did some more research MTHs UP273547 is accurate for model although they managed to get the trucks mounted slightly more inboard should center on lifting gussets as per Matts conversion also included pic of TTXZ with trucks mounted out to end steps as per MTH original models obviously crude basic underbody on models compared to Bens work.
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hibar ·
Newest project this is one of the very few accurate paint schemes from MTH for these cars, the prototype was an 86/87 Thrall car with the correct shorter truck spacing used I believe because of the 10'+ solid centerbeam paneling inboard from both ends before open posts. I have added end details plus Atlas 2 rail trucks would look better with the newer Atlas thin frame trucks, big advantage of Atlas trucks is ease of mounting a 10-24 3/4" machine screw and nut along with a suitable spring...
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CONVERTING MTH 72FT CENTERBEAM'S FROM 3 RAIL TO 2 RAIL TRUCKS.

Alan Hummel ·
I have 1 MTH Centerbeam that I'd like to convert from 3 rail trucks to 2 rail Atlas Trucks and Protocraft or Kadee couplers. Looking at the car floor,I don't see a way to get to the 3 rail trucks-can it be done? Also,is it possible to mount Atlas trucks to these cars? Thanks to everyone for your help. Al Hummel
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Centerbeam Flatcar in S

DoubleHeader ·
I have been wanting a centerbeam flatcar to run on my layout. So, I set out to design one and print it on my 3d printer. I had a couple of S Helper Service flatcars without a load and added the printout to them. The design copies current prototype cars, but is not a scale model. It is more of an approximation to fit the existing flatcars. The load also fits on the current MTH reissue of the SHS flatcars. And I also printed it in brown. They look pretty good and are, at least for me, a...
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Lionel 6-16380 Center I-Beam flatcar-Union Pacific with lumber load-price lowered or trade

Billyted ·
Hello everyone I have for your consideration a Lionel center beam flatcar with lumber load, used but in great condition. On two of the lumber load one of the location pins are broken off. The rest of the lumber load appears to have not been taken out of package. Car has die cast sprung trucks. I purchased it off eBay. Box is worn some. Car is to large for my around the tree set. Will take $20.00 OBO plus shipping from 36258 or will trade for Lionel 6-9366 hopper. Thanks, Billy Smith ...
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Rusty Traque ·
A great adaptation for a "stand-in" model. Rusty
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Rocco ·
Doubleheader, Would you be willing to share the file as I would love to print it out and give it a try as it looks great. --Rocco--
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DoubleHeader ·
Rocco - Yes, I think so. I am still working on some final adjustments. So, I need a little more time. I print out two halves of each centerbeam and glue them together. That way no support material is needed while printing. One half has the brakewheel and the other does not. Some prototype cars are flat where the lumber sits and others have ribs. So, I have a set of 2 halves for the flat style and a set for the ribbed style. Plus a separate file for the ladder. I am using the plastic...
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Re: Centerbeam Flatcar in S

Rusty Traque ·
As I said earlier, this is a great adaptation to creat a stand in model. However, one little nit I just noticed: The ladder and brakewheel are on the wrong side of the car end. They should be on the left side as you look at the end. The drawing is for a different car but the placement remains the same. Rusty
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Re: Centerbeam Flatcar in S

DoubleHeader ·
Gosh. Yes. You're right. Thanks! I'll add that to my list of adjustments. DoubleHeader -- Marvin
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Rocco ·
Doubleheader, Keep up the good work. --Rocco--
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AGHRMatt ·
Nice work. You going to try for an opera window version?
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DoubleHeader ·
To those with a 3D printer - here are the files. I have moved the ladders and brakewheel as noted and made other small adjustments. I print them in halves so that no support material is needed during the print. I use a glue that dries clear. Key to files: Centerbeam2 - non-ribbed floor and no brakewheel support Centerbeam3 - non-ribbed floor with brakewheel support Centerbeam4 - ribbed floor with brakewheel support Centerbeam5 - ribbed floor and no brakewheel support Glue 2 and 3 together to...
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Re: Centerbeam Flatcar in S

falconservice ·
The Lionel Traditional O gauge Center I-Beam Flat Car is nearly 1/64th scale in dimensions. Andrew
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Brendan ·
They are too tall. Brendan
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falconservice ·
How tall would a true 1/64th scale center beam flat car be? How tall would a true 1/64th scale automobile carrier with a corrugated roof be? Andrew
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Brendan ·
From Rusty's drawing above, it looks like 14' 10" so 2.75" - 2.8" Brendan
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Aflyer ·
Nice job on the Center beam cars Marvin. I am enjoying the ones I got from you very much. And working on loads for them this week. Aflyer
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