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Newbie Planning

Aegis21 ·
Hello All, First thanks for your patience in advance as I have some limiting conceptual issues. I have read much from magazines, books and forums about planning, however even the most basic step is eluding me. My available area is an L shaped space that is 12 foot wide twenty 24 feet long with an additional 10 foot wide by 8 foot deep leg of the L. While trying to keep a 30-36" reach, planning out aisles for this shape with retaining the most layout area is obviously something beyond my...
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Shaping Lionel Standard Guage Motor Brushes

Rich Wiemann ·
I just started restoring a Lionel #8 and would like to replace the brushes. I didn’t realize until I took it apart that the commutator was inline with the shaft and the brush face is curved versus being flat and perpendicular to the shaft. I wanted to know how do you shape the brush so it’s concave shape? Do they make them pre-shaped? Do you use them flat and run them in? Do you file them? What is the correct brush? I see 2-17 on Hennings and brush 75 on Olsens parts diagrams. Thanks in...
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Cutting/ shaping pink foam scenery

trainman129 ·
I need to cut and shape a piece or two of pink insulating foam for a small hill. What is the preferred way to cut and shape this stuff? Thanks for any replies. Jay
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Help with First Time FasTrack L-Shaped Layout

E-Man ·
Hi Everyone! I'm making my first FasTrack L-shaped layout and it doesn't seem to be lining up right while I am planning it out. As pictured, I am trying to do a layout with a L on the outside with O48 curves and an oval on the inside with O36 curves. Does anyone have experience with this that could provide some insight? If someone has, what track did you do to make it work? Any help is appreciated. Thanks in advance!
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gunrunnerjohn ·
I've always just stuck them in, if they need that shape, they'll figure it out on their own.
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Rich Wiemann ·
Thanks for your experience and reply. Do you know if the 2-17 brush is the correct style?
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Not 100% sure, but I'd trust the Henning's Trains guys as they know way more than I do about older Standard Gauge stuff! You can also call them if you're not sure and ask the question.
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Harry Henning ·
2-17 is correct. They will 'seat' themselves as running time is established. PLEASE NOTE!!! If you are going to run the old trains (pre-war), take the time to run a bead of epoxy around the back side of the copper commutator where it butts up against the wiring. It is especially critical on horizontal commutators such as the # 33, 38, 42, 53 etc. This will save you agonizing over paying $50 - $75 to have the armature repaired due to a segment coming loose and getting ripped off by the brush.
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Rich, you just heard from the authority on these, I think you can take that one to the bank.
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Jon G ·
I use the 622-121 diesel brush and a round file the same diameter as the commutator and file the slot off the center so it will orient itself with the spring on the flat side
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Rich Wiemann ·
Harry thanks for the reply and the advice on the epoxy. I will incorporate that into my rebuild plans.
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Rich Wiemann ·
Jon thanks for your insights, I will give that a try during my rebuild and see how easily I can contour the brush.
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Rich Wiemann ·
Gunrunnerjohn thanks for your follow up.
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Rob English ·
DO NOT try to contour the rolled copper mesh brush. You will regret it! This is from experience! Copper/carbon can be contoured....but why? they will seat themselves. Harry is right, epoxy on drum commutators is a VERY good idea!
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Rich Wiemann ·
Thanks Rob for the feedback. Sounds like you may have experienced your own armature/commutator self destruction. Have you applied epoxy yourself? Any concerns with the armature being out of balance, if not applied evenly?
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Just apply it evenly! Truthfully, unless you really slather it on, I can't imagine you getting it that far out of balance.
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Rob English ·
Sure have. Balance is not a factor... too little weight differential and too close to the shaft to make a difference. You'll want to be neat and even all the same.
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riki ·
Bob hannon. Makes his own barrel.. I have never had a problem with the original barrel coming apart. But I have heard about it. Hannon. As far as I know will not rewind an armature with an original barrel.
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Re: Cutting/ shaping pink foam scenery

MELGAR ·
I use a razor saw to cut and shape pink foam. Hot wire tools also are sold for the purpose. MELGAR
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jhz563 ·
A hot wire knife is a great way to get the rough shape without making a mess. The flip side is that edges cut that way are very smooth, not like something found in the natural world. Once you are close you can rough up the surface many ways. I have recently used a combination of 60 grit sandpaper and dragging a pumice stone across the surface and really liked the final effect. If you search for a thread called Halloween 2017 you will see what I did. Have fun. FYI hot knives are readily...
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Dave Zucal ·
If you don't like the fumes when using a hot knife, but still want a tool that cuts foam like butter, oscillating multi tools works great and are very inexpensive. $14.99 with coupon. https://www.harborfreight.com/...E1NDgifQ%3D%3D%0D%0A They also sell an inexpensive hot knife if your cutting outside or in a well ventilated area. https://www.harborfreight.com/...hot-knife-61423.html
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wmcwood ·
I have used an oscillating tool as well. It works well but it does make a huge mess. I would try to work over plastic or vacuum often with a shop vac. It takes a little while to get the hang of it.
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dkdkrd ·
Couple ideas... Hot knife by Micro-Mark...et al. Old set of electric oscillating/serrated carving knives. Or, an old, dedicated long serrated blade 'bread' knife. I say "old" on these, because mama won't be happy if you use her best cutlery from the kitchen. Cutting foam accelerates dulling of the blades. Sure, you can sharpen them again, if need be. But home diplomacy will be enhanced if you get your own....garage sale, discarded (with spouse/parent blessing) kitchen tool, dollar store,...
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Mixed Freight ·
If you don't want to spend a lot of money just to shape a couple of pieces of foam, then a box cutter utility knife with snap-off blade sections is a pretty good choice. Extend the blade as far out as desired to do your carving. You can use spackling compound to fill in any voids and smooth the flat ground-to-hill transition if desired. Coarse sandpaper or foam sanding blocks are good ways to smooth contours and rough up the foam surfaces before painting and applying ground cover. A shop-vac...
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J Daddy ·
I have had bad luck with the hot knife. I keep burning up the wall wart. I use a large steak knife.... BTW, the fumes from burning foam are known to cause cancer and will make you ill so I tend to stay clear of this method when there is allot to do!
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trainman129 ·
DaveZ- I hadn't thought of an oscillating tool. I have one and will give it a try tomorrow. Thanks for the replies Jay
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Avanti ·
An old electric kitchen knife works well. So does a hacksaw blade. For carving details, use a Dremel tool with various grinding and cutting bits. Surprisingly, a cutoff wheel works nicely.
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L.I.TRAIN ·
SNAP Blades work wonders, you can pick them in any hardware store and Harbor Freight usually sells them for about 30 cents each. Keep carving until you get a shape you like. If you cut a bit too much glue another piece in place and continue on. Enjoy the project and post some pics, during and after
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luvindemtrains ·
This is my canyon area...forced perspective.
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Serows1 ·
I use a razor knife to cut the basic shape then I use a rasp to finish it off. The only down side to using a rasp is that it does make a mess but it's easily cleaned up with a vacuum. Have fun! Paul
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Namvet4 ·
All great suggestions. Stay away from the hot knife due to the fumes. Manual or powered cutting blade works fine. I use a small compact ShopVac which is great for the hobbyist. Around $30.00 at Home Depot Shop Vac . Small enough to be mobile and I find that the power is more than adequate for its size. ...just my 2 cents.
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Re: Newbie Planning

DoubleDAZ ·
You didn't say if there was an opening or where it was, so I guessed it was on the right where your lines don't connect. Here are 2 ways of approaching the space. First is an around-the-room design. The second is a table with access on all sides. Obviously you get more usable track space with the around-the-room design and can use wider curves.
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SantaFeJim ·
First thing that you gotta do is get down on your knees and thank the Lord for granting you so much space.
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Aegis21 ·
Sorry for not giving entrance to area. The assumption that the right side is open, is correct. And it is totally open, giving access to both sides of the around the wall part of that section. So the open area could be wider than 3 feet. I could put access door(s) on the sides that of the inner "L" So if you were standing at the left side looking into the room, the wall to your right, the wall that makes the 90 degree right into the "L" and the next wall that makes the next left. I hope that...
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DoubleDAZ ·
I don't know if I followed that, so I color-coded a few things. And it is totally open, giving access to both sides of the around the wall part of that section. So the open area could be wider than 3 feet. Does this mean there is no Purple wall or does it just mean the small peninsulas on the right side could be 6' wide (Blue rectangles) instead of 3'? I could put access door(s) on the sides that of the inner "L" So if you were standing at the left side looking into the room, the wall to...
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Aegis21 ·
Thanks for helping on the clarity. The black and grey walls are foundation walls without access. The purple, red and green are accessible (they have yet to be built) There will be a purple wall built so the blue area could be 6' . The purple, red and green walls, have at least four to twelve feet behind them for water filters and another room. This is a basement build and is right now totally open. Thanks for the ideas!
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DoubleDAZ ·
Ok, so here's what I've come up with then, assuming I understood what you said about the purple wall. I don't think I'd add the doors just to fill in the gray area, but that's up to you. If I were to add a door, I'd add a double door on the green wall.
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Aegis21 ·
Again clarity is not my strong suit. The purple wall is not moveable, it is 12' from grey wall. I like your peninsular ideas. Let me know what you think of this possibility? It is your design with purple wall fixed at 12' Let me know plus and minus of this and any improvements that will help. Thanks for your time and help
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DoubleDAZ ·
Ok, got it. As you can see, I left 2 small peninsulas on the ends in case you wanted to add reversing loop capabilities. The Blue tracks are Atlas with O72 curves. The Yellow tracks are Atlas with O54 curves just to show how reversing loops would fit.
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Aegis21 ·
THANKS Sooooo Much! This is a great help and a fantastic start! Reversing loops were some of the hopefuls on my list of track. Iam looking at getting RR-Track but they are not accepting orders until later this month. uess it will have to wait. Not a big deal as now it is more what industries and towns do I want to build and where they should be built. Figure out a purpose for the railroad and possibly a subway set stuck it somewhere. The blue track that goes across the opening, will allow me...
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DoubleDAZ ·
Reversing loops were some of the hopefuls on my list of track. Unfortunately, they take up a lot of space if you try to use large curves, hence the O54 curves in my example. The thing is when you have the capability to run multiple trains in different directions, the need to reverse trains is lessened, especially in around-the-room designs. I am looking at getting RR-Track but they are not accepting orders until later this month. Guess it will have to wait. Not a big deal as now it is more...
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Aegis21 ·
Thanks for all the help again, I will get scarm and use that if I can post layouts from scarm, is that possible? Again Many Thanks
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Moonman ·
Okay, thought I would toss this in - 30" wide table - perhaps 36" on one side if a yard is needed - it is plenty for tracks and scenery Atlas 081 and O72 double main - crossovers, sidings to be added O72 reversing circle on the inside corner- will only require a smaller increase of the table on that inside corner and still maintain good aisle width I followed what I thought were the dimensions as none are marked on the table drawings 1' grid refinement to come with design development
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DoubleDAZ ·
Yes, you can post files from all the design programs. Here's the SCARM file of your space to get you started. I had to delete the reversing loops to get the track count below 100 so you can play with it. You won't be able to make add many tracks, but you can add a few and learn how to move tracks around, etc. To download the file, right-click and select Save As (or Save Link As, whatever is close). Sometimes it downloads as a .txt file, but all you have to do is change the filename to end...
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Aegis21 ·
Hi Carl, Great ideas and starting points! I have taken a bit of a crash course in scarm and have room dimensions that I will try to upload to this post. It will also contain a possible layout base around the room. The room dimensions are all fixed and per wife non negotiable. The only leeway I will have is the black wall can extend another 10' in the future. Hope this helps clear any dimensional lack of clarity on my part.
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Aegis21 ·
Hi Dave, I have jumped on the Scarm band wagon and have been taking a crash course so to speak. Thanks for the knowledge and work you have put into my project. It is so appreciated. As you can see from my earlier post, the room dimensions and possible bench work. Not sure on bench work as it will depend on track features and uses for the railroad. To help all explain how new I am to this, I was fortunate as a young boy to get Lionel trains for Christmas and Birthday presents. My dad would...
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Jan ·
Go with the largest curves you can fit in. Here is a double mainline with O81/O90 curves. The right side restricts using larger curves. The 90 degree curves could be replaced with larger curves. Jan
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DoubleDAZ ·
I don't mean to nitpick, but as drawn the Green wall is 10' 6" and that will make a difference when you start adding track. The upper jut-out on the right is 4' 8", not 4' 6", and that may or may not make a difference, but I thought I'd point it out just in case. And just for the sake of total clarity, I'm assuming the dimensions are inside measurements and the walls you're going to build will all go on the outside of this space. That may seem like a small thing, but I've seen people add...
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bobdavisnpf ·
How about a reversing siding? Pictured here in green... along with a double mainline and a double crossover...
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Aegis21 ·
Hi Dave, nitpick and find all mistakes etc. The details are EXTREMELY important and an inch here or there does/can make huge differences. You are correct he green wall 10'6" dimension the marked 4'6" is adjustable to aisle width and is drawn as 4'8" (I was playing with track and nudged that a bit without changing the label. You are also correct with the wall dimensions being interior. The basement is 27' wide with supporting columns at the center. This actually allows me to build the purple...
 
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