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Aegis21 ·
Sorry about the pic being cutoff, still new to scarm and posting
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Aegis21 ·
Thanks Jan and Bob Great ideas and advise! I will be looking at these options as I start to formulate what the railroad will do as its functions. Had thought of, or seen a reversing siding till now. I also like the sweeping curves, it sounds like those lend more realistic views of a real railroad. THANKS a ton! John
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Ken-Oscale ·
AEGIS21, you might be interested in my design thread for Rick's Layout which I did for Rick. I noticed the similarity in shape, and thought you might want to scan this discussion for ideas. Rick's layout space is larger, and access to the space is different, but many of the ideas and considerations would apply to your space as well. Rick went with a double-track plan with cross-overs, with an elevated third mainline. There are two town areas and a large yard, so trains can originate and...
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Aegis21 ·
Thanks Ken! I see the resemblance in shape. Hope I can get something half as good and I will be thrilled!
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Ken-Oscale ·
I like Jan's double-track concept. And concur with his suggestion on using the largest diameter than can fit. I would drop the idea for the jut-out in the center, as you will need space for operators and builders to move around comfortably. The 3'-wide aisle width is good, but you need more than just aisles IMO, you need space for two or three operators and visitors to move around the layout. So retaining a larger open operating and train-watching area in the center will add value and...
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Aegis21 ·
Hi Ken, Great advise on the opening/aisle, I was looking at possibly rounding that center jut-out and sweep it back some. Not sure how to make a curve baseboard in scarm, or if it is even possible. ??? I also like Jan's double track and sweeping curves. I am looking at Rick's posts as you suggested and read the opinions on prototyping real railroad versus "running Trains around" From what was written I am leaning towards Rick's concept of serving industries and point to point operation with...
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DoubleDAZ ·
I don't see the pole as a major problem as long as we know exactly where it is, but the wall dimensions still seem off. The Green wall at the top is now marked 10' 10" and that is where the Red wall is. The Purple wall in the center is marked 18' 6", but they don't add up to the 28' 6" length of the Black wall on the bottom. So either the Green wall is really 10' and the Red wall needs to be moved to the left or the Purple wall is only 17' 8" to make the total length 28' 6". On another note,...
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DoubleDAZ ·
John, to round things, you just "insert" new points and place them where you want them. However, I would keep the current baseboard as a template as you design and then modify the baseboard as you get closer to the final design.
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Aegis21 ·
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Aegis21 ·
Ok this seems to have a life of its own! With the additional 10" in the L area. I need to move the one aisle over a foot to keep that section to less than 36" as recommended. It will be 34" with this revision. I also put in several points to round or shape at a later time if needed/wanted. Still having trouble posting a full jpeg they all get cutoff. Is there a setting I need to change in scarm when exporting to jpeg? Thanks again! John
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DoubleDAZ ·
John, This seems to be a bug in SCARM (I need to contact Mixy about it), so I don't use the Export option. If you hit the "Fit To Screen" menu button, you'll notice that the "fill" is based on the baseboard and not all the elements in your project. I believe this is the reason some of the jpeg image seems to be cut off. Here's what SCARM "fits"........... Here's what's actually in the project..........Note the green rectangle. Instead, I use the Windows "Snipping Tool" to snip as much or as...
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Jan ·
Now with O90/O99 curves. The track passing the pole can be moved tp the other side. Jan
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DoubleDAZ ·
I forgot to add that another reason I don't like the SCARM jpeg is because there are no rulers or grid lines.
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Jan ·
Dave's right about the lack of ruler dots in the picture. I converted the original bitmap (bmp) exported by SCARM to a jpeg so I checked the original bmp to see if they were eliminated in the conversion. No dots in either. Both Dave and I use a single crossover to establish track spacing of the loops. Your final plan will have crossovers to meet your wants, Jan
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DoubleDAZ ·
I sent a note off to Mixy about the jpeg problem that I think is caused by the "fit" process. I didn't mention the ruler or grid problem, but I did point him to this thread, so hopefully he'll see this discussion too.
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Aegis21 ·
My dad always said everyone could be a good bad example. lol Hope this helps get jpeg resolved In the mean time I did find snippet thanks to all the Huge help from Dave Thanks!
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Aegis21 ·
Hello All, Another question I have is how close can two tracks be on straight and curved sections? I will be using Gargraves track and Ross switches. Using Gargraves how can I replicate Jan's track work of my layout? Keeping the two lines parallel through curves. I tried 80" 89" 96" curves with varying degrees of failure. Thanks again!
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DoubleDAZ ·
Like Jan, I use a crossover to keep my mains parallel. The key is configuring a crossover with the desired amount of separation. Generally folks seem to agree that 3.5" separation is the minimum for yards where trains move slowly and 4.5" for mains. Curves can be a different story depending on equipment being run. There is the engine overhang on the outside of curves and the rolling stock overhang on the inside of curves. Where they both meet on a curve determines the minimum amount of...
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Aegis21 ·
Thanks Dave Again! Cutting track is not a problem, just knowing what the clearances should be a huge help. I admit to having a tendency to have track too close. The instruction on the curves with examples is awesome. Also I am hoping these loops can have sidings and spurs for industry use. Also someplace to reverse would be nice, however from what I have read that is probably out of the question with my space. Thanks for the info and layout file as always, it is greatly appreciated.
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Aegis21 ·
Here is an attempt at sneaking in a reverse loop.
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DoubleDAZ ·
John, that's a good attempt, but the "S" curve should be avoided and the tracks across the opening appear to be too close, but that will be determined by your bridges. There is a 2nd "S" curve to the left, but it's smoother and might be okay. Anyway, I cut an O42 curve in half (close anyway) and inserted a straight to avoid the"S", then lined everything up to close the loop. One thing to avoid is using too many flex tracks and bending them too tight. I don't know what size curves your...
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Aegis21 ·
Hi Dave, ok another THANKS for the cutting curve in half, inserting a straight to smooth out the "s" Also putting in a straight and recommending using curves as a guide then using flex for actual track layment will be used for sure. The Bridge is an 40" Atlas O Gauge Double Track Pratt Truss Bridge So whatever the spacing is I will have to conform the track to use. I tried to widen curves and clean things up a bit as it looked too crowded. Is the curved switch ok to use in the end of the...
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DoubleDAZ ·
Sorry, but I think you can do better. The photo shows what I go through to line things up and get them as smooth as possible. The Red lines are where I've already "snipped" using the Snip Off tool or where I intend to snip. As you can see I use sectional track for the important parts and then cut curves and straights after I line things up. It takes some finesse, zooming and a lot of trail&error. In this case, the first thing I did was fix the bridge because AFAIK the track separation...
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DoubleDAZ ·
Sorry, I posted the wrong SCARM files, so I edited the post with the new ones.
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DoubleDAZ ·
Oh, and I'm trying to tell you how you should do things or how it's supposed to look, just showing alternatives.
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Aegis21 ·
Hey Dave these are great lessons and a ton of knowledge. I hardly ever get offended when someone expresses their ideas and wisdom. I am totally new and welcome ALL criticism, as that is how people expand and gain knowledge. No one was ever born knowing everything they know now. Lots of learning went on to get to what ever age you are and the knowledge you posses. I was trying my best knowing it would not be anywhere close to really good, let alone perfect. Again I thank you for the help and...
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DoubleDAZ ·
John, I think you're doing great with SCARM. Most folks new to software are afraid to post their attempts and I think you learn a lot more when folks have something to work with and can show you ways it might be improved.
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Aegis21 ·
Hi Dave, I am too old to be afraid of learning, that I am not all knowing. LOL Thanks for the support and lessons. I think my next step is to list out what I would like for industries, towns, accessories, roads etc. And start making that long list short so I don't have to build a train building, which I neither the land or finances to do! Your thoughts?
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rtr12 ·
Dave, you are really getting this stuff down well! Interesting tips on your fitting methods above too. I have been getting a brief urge every once in a while to fire up SCARM and these tips seem to add encouragement. Just as a FYI, I was just going to say that the curved switches have the spacing vs pick up roller problems. I think that is the main problem with them. I don't think it matters what type of switch either? I think it's just the way they have to make them to get the curves...
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Mark Boyce ·
Hi, I just saw your topic! Wow everyone has made a lot of progress in a short time. Yes, we had times of that kind of activity with my layout design too. Dave did most of the heavy lifting! (Thanks again, Dave!!) The folks here are a great help for sure. I'll follow along, if I can keep up!! I quickly picked up on that you live in Hadley near Mercer. I live in Butler. I am hoping to get construction started on my layout after the first of the year.
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DoubleDAZ ·
I'll be 72 in March. I learn new things almost every day and hope that never stops. While I'm getting pretty good at using SCARM, I have a hard time coming up with ideas for cities and industries. I grew up 30 miles south of Green Bay and my only experience with railroads was the cabooses parked at a siding 300 or so yards form one of my childhood homes. I road the trains a few times from a small town called Brillion to a coastal town called Manitowoc on Lake Michigan. I never got to the...
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DoubleDAZ ·
RTR12, you know I love the challenge and these days there's not much to challenge the old noggin. It brings up memories of when I wrote computer programs in the Air Force. It was always the challenge of doing things that hadn't been done before and doing them with minimum code, something that has been lost today with bloated coding. Thanks for the tip on curved/numbered switches.
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DoubleDAZ ·
Mark, I had a lot of fun with yours and hope to see it some day.
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Mark Boyce ·
Dave, I hope to see it some day too! LOL. And yours as well!!
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Aegis21 ·
Hi Dave I am 66 and try to learn something new everyday. We grew up almost opposite cultures. I was born and raised in New York city. My Dad worked for the Pullman company in Long Island City. When I was a little tot the biggest thrill was to go to Manhattan and visit the Lionel display and then walk to Madison Hardware and drool! I have been to Milwaukee many times for business reasons and have stayed over the weekends and toured the area all the way up to Green Bay. Beautiful country for...
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rtr12 ·
You're welcome and I think your old noggin has absorbed quite a bit of the layout planning software and layouts too! In the mid '80's I started dabbling in MS QuickBasic (it's structured, not like the built in DOS versions) as I got better at it I moved up to MS Basic Pro Development System with some add on libraries written in ASM. It could do about everything the fancier Prog languages could and yes we always tried to optimize the code. PCs were a lot slower back then. It was a lot of fun!
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Aegis21 ·
Hi Mark, I hope I can keep up! I have moved to Hadley this past year from Ct. about 500 miles away. I am not familiar with the area yet but I have been in Butler once this summer. Do you have postings of your layout here? Love to see them and learn so more! Looking forward to some new friendships. Thanks John
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Aegis21 ·
We are old dinosaurs for sure. I think I still have my MS Basic book and code for testing gaming systems. I did get into visual basic but I too have left those dino days behind. I work with arduino and esp8266 micros and will try to incorporate them into railroading. Lots of neat stuff to do with these micros for sure.
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DoubleDAZ ·
I joined the Air Force in 1966 because I was tired of college and my friends got their draft notices, so I wanted to avoid the Army, but still wanted to serve. I went to the Navy recruiter, but he was busy on the phone, so I went next door to the Air Force, turned out to be the right move. First assignment was to Kadena AFB JA on Okinawa and then to Luke AFB here outside of Phoenix. While here I met my wife whose family lived here and fell in love with her and the Desert Southwest. Went to...
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Aegis21 ·
Hi Dave, I was a bit behind you as far as the war was concerned. I was in the draft lottery and they stopped 10 numbers before mine. I finished college and went to work for a defense contractor that made guided missile systems for the navy. Wound up sailing on several ships around the world. Did the west pac tour on the USS Long Beach with the Truxton and aircraft carrier USS Enterprise. First nuclear fleet to sail together, 40 knots no smoke was the saying those days. Funny how so many...
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Aegis21 ·
ok back to real railroading chit chat How much room should be planned for a small town or industry? Are there typical building sizes for O Gauge? Any guidelines at all?
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DoubleDAZ ·
John, many of us include links to our layout planning threads in our signature, so check the bottom of our posts.
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Aegis21 ·
Again Thanks Dave
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Mark Boyce ·
John, Welcome to Western Pennsylvania!! I am 62 and I would guess you could call me semi-retired. I grew up in rural Butler County, 17 miles from town, and went to a rural school. My wife grew up in Butler. I lived about a half mile from the B&O mainline to Pittsburgh, and there was lots of F-unit traffic in those days. I just missed the last of the Mallets that used to make that run. Dad said a train set was too expensive for a gift, so I saved money and bought an HO set when I was...
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DoubleDAZ ·
Here is a site for accessories that are compatible with SCARM. The drawing are somewhat crude and I don't know how close to scale they are, but they're helpful in determining footprints, etc. They are regullr SCARM files, so downloading is the same as what you do to download a SCARM file, right-click and Save As. If you just click the Download link, you'll end up with a text file that won't mean much. To make it easy to locate and use them, I created an Accessories folder in the SCARM...
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Aegis21 ·
Thanks for the warm welcome! Sorry to hear about your back, the back is terrible but today's' science there are many options more so today than ever before. I worked as an engineer in the health care field since 1979 and was involved with the development of the first Cat Scan Machines and Mri machines. So I have seen many drastic improvements in these areas. Meeting up sounds great, maybe after the holidays. I am pretty handy when it comes to wood working. That will be the least challenging...
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Aegis21 ·
Thanks Again Dave!
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Mark Boyce ·
Thank you for the concern about my back and sciatic nerve. Hopefully I'll be getting an MRI soon. I have an EMG scheduled for Friday. In the meantime, I finally was able to get sent to PT. I'm glad you are taking a look at my design topic. Not so much because it is mine, but more so for you to see how we went about it, and how new ideas made for radical changes. I'm hoping you will see that folks are willing to go a different direction if you think you don't like what you see. Yes, after the...
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rtr12 ·
I think I may still have the MS Basic PDS 7 5-1/4 floppies and manuals around here somewhere? Not sure about the QB stuff or my old ASM libraries? It was a fun time. I have dabbled with Arduinos, but I know nothing about C or C+ or whatever they use? Python is supposed to be easier and is becoming popular, some micro boards are now using it as well I think. There is a lot of neat train stuff you can do with the Arduino stuff, some of the forum members here have done some neat stuff with...
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Richie C. ·
Attached is a list of common Lionel and MTH accessories and structures with their dimensions that may be of help to you in designing a layout. I believe this was originally created by Susan Deats.
OGR Publishing, Inc., 1310 Eastside Centre Ct, Suite 6, Mountain Home, AR 72653
330-757-3020

www.ogaugerr.com
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