Tagged With "Penn Central Transportation Company"

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Penn Central Carpenter Pa was ??

rrman ·
I have a manual date printer machine from my brother in law collection, that has a brass plate that reads (after much soaking in gasoline, alcohol and wire brushing): PENN CENTRAL on top Center rectangular opening for date wheels to pass through CARPENTER PA on bottom I tried googling Penn Central Carpenter different ways to see if it was a station an interlocking tower, or what. Any Penn Central gurus here who can enlighten me? Any $$ value to the date machine, or were they dime a dozen?
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falconservice ·
The New York Central had direct ties to the CB&Q, GN, NP. The Burlington Northern merger could have included the New York Central. Andrew
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GG1 2340 ·
Picture looks to be Meadows Yard, South Kearny NJ
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Gregg ·
What Railways merged? New York Central... N & W... Pennsylvania.... C&O? B&O? That's as far as I can get.
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Hot Water ·
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MNCW ·
Just to point out not everything was black under Penn Central, you actually had some color, too!
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Re: This day in history - October 28 1963: End of a railroad landmark

Robert S. Butler ·
On the other hand - Penn Station did not die in vain. It's my understanding that it was because of the destruction of Penn's Station that Grand Central did not suffer a similar fate.
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Gregg ·
Thank you That's exactly what I did.
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Number 90 ·
I'll agree that it was a significant date. I'm sure that I'm not the only one here with mixed feelings about the Penn Central merger. The result was awful, but it preserved a lot of northeastern railroad routes to be taken over by Conrail and once again restored to good condition and operation.
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MNCW ·
Ironic that the long-time money losing commuter lines that the Pennsylvania, New York Central and New Haven operated and sought to exit from would later become subsidized/managed by state authorities in Pennsylvania (SEPTA), New York (LIRR & Metro-North) & Connecticut (Metro-North). Tom
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Re: This day in history - October 28 1963: End of a railroad landmark

rheil ·
I was fortunate to be in Pennsylvania Station several times per year starting in the late 1940's through its end as I traveled to and from New York / Baltimore on the Pennsylvania Railroad. It was the most magnificent station I have ever been in. Having been in all of the Chicago stations in the '50's and several west coast stations in the '60's nothing compares to Pennsylvania Station in my opinion. That includes Grand Central Terminal, but at least Grand Central has been restored. In my...
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Re: This day in history - October 28 1963: End of a railroad landmark

bigkid ·
Penn Station's destruction did help drive the the creation of the Landmark preservation law in NYC, but it also took a lot of work to put teeth into it. When Helmsley and Zeckendorf basically were going to bury Grand Central under buildings, it took a massive fight and several bouts in court before a final ruling that the law was legal, there was at least one ruling that the law was illegal, that it violated the rights of property owners, etc, etc. One of the chief architects of the defense...
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GG1 4877 ·
Penn Central, while an ugly experiment in not how to do corporate mergers, served it's purpose in bringing about Conrail and the Staggers Act as Tom mentioned. With the state of NE railroads throughout the 60's, I don't see how a more positive outcome could have happened merger or not. US railroading as a whole benefited from this failed merger ultimately.
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MNCW ·
The Wall Street Journal came out with a nice little paperback summary (of the merger), Riding The Pennsy to Ruin . I'll always remember one section mentioned that they were so broke, they had trouble paying for all the red pens they needed to report all the "Red Ink" they were in. Not making fun of their situation, that was just how dire it was back then. The Penn Central was the first railroad I really followed so as bad as they were, it still brings back good memories of RS-3m's and FL-9s...
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Re: This day in history - October 28 1963: End of a railroad landmark

bigkid ·
Penn Station started being taken down when I was 7 months old, so obviously I don't remember it. It is sad it was taken down but it also was a time when in NY and elsewhere there was this incredible "march to the future' kind of theme, where things from the past were looked at as obsolete and relics. The other thing to keep in mind this was at a time when people like Robert Moses (and GM) were promoting a future where the automobile as gonna create a paradise (at the 1939 World Fair and the...
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New Haven Joe ·
I wish that the old Pennsylvania Station had been saved. I haven't been in the current Penn Station for over 20 years. The last time I was there, I was taking a train from NY to DC. I recall that the station was dirty, confusing, and the best part of it was leaving to get on the train. I hope that Amtrak has put some money into the place to make it passenger friendly. The old Pennsylvania Station wasn't passenger friendly either. When I was in my early teens, I used to take the train from it...
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Re: Penn Central Carpenter Pa was ??

Krieglok ·
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_station Tom
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rrman ·
Thanks Tom. So it was located along the old Pennsy tracks that morphed into Conrail then folded into Septa as I see it.
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PRRMP54 ·
I have (had? I have not seen it in years) a similar ticket dater with a plate that had GREYHOUND (LINES) and PERRYVILLE MD. I suspect that the airlines might have used them in the early years, too. Value is mostly in the brass plate. Note that the ribbon can be refurbished with a little bit of effort.
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Re: NPS at Lower Providence Library

poniaj ·
In the same vein, I took this little layout to the Spree that my club hosted a few years ago. It was a big hit with folks of all ages, especially those under 4' tall. The buttons in the fascia operate the accessories. It now resides in my basement for my grandson to operate. It has legs that are self storing and all the things on the top fit in two storage tubs for transport. The layout (3.5' x 5') fits in my old minivan. BTW, the Manoil coupes are resin copies I made. Of course, generally I...
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WTB: Lionel N5b caboose PC

JESSE G ·
Hi everyone I am looking for a used or new Lionel N5b caboose in the Penn Central paint scheme looking to save a little money instead of paying retail if you have one for sale please let me know thank you!
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In Search Of Penn Central Conductor Hat Badge For CHEAP

Mason Rascona ·
Only for cheap, I understand that hat badges are expensive but hey if we can strike a deal I'm interested. maybe $30-40? I dunno. MasonRascona@gmail.com is where to contact me. :)
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RMT...Ready Made Trains ·
Best thing that ever happened for black and white paint manufacturers, that is, until the Norfolk Southern came along. Walter M. Matuch
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Mark Boyce ·
Yep, I remember, started seeing PC after that. In fact, My first trains set I bought that year or the next had a PC F7. Has it been that long????
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MNCW ·
Later in 1968, the New Haven was forced into the PC merger. Tom
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falconservice ·
How could anybody have accepted the plan to merge parallel railroads with Management that hated each other? The people at the Interstate Commerce Comission must have been trying to rid the USA of railroads. Andrew
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Number 90 ·
Nobody had a better plan. There were four railroads running between the New York area and Chicago (if you count LV and NKP as one railroad).
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falconservice ·
The Pennsylvania Railroad had a corporate connection to the Norfolk & Western. That would have been a simpler merger. Andrew
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CBQer ·
And to think 50 years ago I was at Ft. Lewis, WA learning to be a soldier. Dick
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Putnam Division ·
Wow.......now I know why I chose this cap to wear yesterday! Peter.
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Form D ·
And on June 1, 1999 it finally happened the way it was supposed to.
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rtraincollector ·
That was my 13th birthday. Wow that's been a long time ago. lol. I do remember hearing about it, as my father was a big train buff.
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Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 ·
Wow, I didn't realize that. Of course just not old enough to be alive when all that was going on doesn't help. I remember reading somewhere(think it was late 1800's) that both railroads made shell railroads to compete with each other. It ended up with more twisting track along the other's mainlines annoying each other. I believe that the government stepped in and had the PRR buy the shell company from NYC, and NYC buy the shell company from PRR. The government told them to knock it off but...
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bigkid ·
You are referring to the Penn building a rival line on the west shore of the Hudson to compete with the NYC (or irritate them). The government didn't step in, seeing the carnage that could unleash JP Morgan (if I remember the story correctly) basically grabbed the heads of the two companies and basically threatened to knock their heads together (figuratively) and forced a settlement whose details escape me at the moment.
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bigkid ·
It took a while after that merger for everything to fall out, that is for sure. You had Conrail, which took over the freight operations of various railroads, running commuter lines (DL and W now NJ transit), The old NYC harlem , hudson lines and the New Haven (all now MTA). Not so sure Conrail could be considered a mess, they took over rail lines that their management had run into the ground, and ended up turning their holdings into a modern railroad that was valuable enough to be bought by...
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Philzy ·
Did Conrail end up as a maintenance division to maintain the better technology?
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palallin ·
One of the unfinished routes became the Pennsylvania Turnpike.
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Philzy ·
Thank you, That would explain the Conrail logos on the maintenance vehicles and track equipment and NS and CSX on the locos where I live, on the old Reading Seashore Line in South Jersey. I don't think I'll get to see any Heritage units on this line. Last thing we seen close to interesting here was the Ringling Bros train when the circus would go to Atlantic City
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Borden Tunnel ·
I was 8 when PC started, only effect in Western Maryland where I lived was the slow death of the Bedford,PA. branch. However, in the town of my birth, Foxboro, Mass., PC changed everything. The former NEW HAVEN track through Foxboro had a big infusion of traffic, as this became PC's connecting route from the former B&A down to Southeastern Mass. The first N.E. Patriots stadium opened in 1970, and MBTA trains to the stadium also used the branch, which meets the NEC at nearby...
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juniata guy ·
You remembered correctly. Morgan took the CEO’s of both railroads out on his yacht and refused to return to port without a settlement between the two. The PRR sold the NYC what became the West Shore Line and NYC sold PRR the South Pennsylvania. As Palallin points out; parts of the South Penn including several of the original tunnels were used to build the PA Turnpike in the 1930’s. The piers for what was to have been the South Penn bridge over the Susquehanna River in Harrisburg still lie...
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1938Robert ·
The person with the most toys still dies.
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Borden Tunnel ·
My friend, John D. Floyd, of Laurel,MD. photographed the N.E. Corridor extensively, through PC, CR, and Amtrak. Here are 3 of his "PC under the Wires"
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Re: Traction Display

Adriatic ·
Keeping the catenary line separated could allow separate block systems for both cat. and rail power; and if running command, wouldn't that suffer? ( I don't run command, I'm thinking it goes to the outer rails, right????) Aside from those issues, I'd think about doing that too.
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Jim Dornberger ·
We don't use digital command on our modules. The tracks are set up in blocks and the rear wheels of the trolleys are not insulated so they trigger a relay which turns off the overhead wire block behind the trolley so the cars don't run into each other. This was how to run multi-car in the 60's and most (if not all) of our modules (and trolleys) pre-date digital command.
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Re: LionChief Penn 0-8-0 stopped smoking

OC Patrick ·
Hi, I haven't tried out the smoke for this engine yet. Have you had a problem with the loco going at slow speeds - like hesitating and making a clicking sound? This is the thread to my post on this. https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...-special-set-6-83072
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Re: LionChief Penn 0-8-0 stopped smoking

kiehlclifford ·
OC Patrick: No the engine runs fine. I like the sound and considering it is a starter set, I think it's a great deal. Based on my experience with two LionChief engines, they are powered by only motor and therefore don't pull a lot of cars. Both my engines slow down in the corners (31 inch dia.) especially with 4 or 5 older Lionel cars in tow. And let me add, I have to be 'ginger' with the remote when starting the 0-8-0 up. I can get it to start very slowly if I am careful with the throttle.
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Train Nut ·
Check down the stack. Does it look smokey but nothing is coming out? If so check the piston. It might be stuck. Sometimes adding too much fluid gums up the piston. Also. The switch is on, right? Sometimes it gets shut off accidentally.
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OC Patrick ·
Thanks, we'll add fluid and see how much smoke the thing creates....
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kiehlclifford ·
Can you give me some guidance on how to clean the smoke piston?
 
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