Tagged With "PS2"

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A tale of two SW9s with problems

pittsburghrailfan ·
I may or may not have posted about this before. My local club has a pair of MTH PS2 Montour SW9s, product 30-2327-1. A while back, both engine started operating erratically. One of the two has sounds and lights, but does not respond to a DCS track signal or get found by the remote. Sometimes, when it is placed on a track, the sound and lights turn on, other times it remains dark. The other SW9, after running on my home layout for a bit, lost sound totally, no emissions whatsoever. The...
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Pix of MTH 4-4-0 Steamer 20-3389-2?

Copter ·
I am considering the purchase of an MTH 4-4-0 American Steam Engine 20-3389-2 Anybody own the PS2 or PS3 version of this engine & willing to share pictures, video or experiences? Copter
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Capacitors and coasting: Premier vs. RailKing vs. upgrade kit(s)

Ted S ·
I have a PS1 Premier Berkshire that doesn't coast worth a darn when power is cut.  As with most PS1 Premier steam, the flywheel is too small in conjunction with the gearing to provide effective coasting, and there isn't room for a larger flywheel.  I also have a couple of PS2 Berkshires.  Exact same motor, same gear ratio.  These will coast just fine if someone kicks the transformer plug out of the wall. I'm not an EE but I'm certain...
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Help can't grasp MTH TIU logic 3 tracks running PS1, PS2, TMCC, Convetional

trainguypa ·
Help we are running 3 tracks and have 7 storage spurs. The tracks are inter-connected using switches each track (line) is isolated with an isolation track thus they are running totally independently. We run Convetional engines (old Lionel, Marx, etc.) TMCC/Command engines, and Proto1 and Proto2 engines. (Sure why would it be easy) heck, we even have a live steam! I am attaching a picture to this, I have NO idea how to wire this up. The core thing I do not understand is the variable...
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Difference between MTH PS1 PS2 PS3

DaveM ·
Hi Folks.  I just bought my first PS2 engine off of ebay. (Been a postwar guy for years) I just Couldn't pass up an S-2 for $140.   Now I'm looking at getting DCS for my layout and and am a bit confused, especially between what the...
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Help with Allegheny steam loco w/ PS2 upgrade

George S ·
Looking for some advice on my engine.  I bought a PS1 Premier Allegheny a while back.  I then upgraded it to PS2 with a PS2 Steam upgrade kit.  I did this myself. The engine works OK.  Almost all of the features work in DCS and conventional mode.  The only problem is using reverse in either DCS or conventional mode.  When the engine is on the track at zero SMPH, I cannot push the direction button and get the engine to move in reverse.  The engine does...
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Re: PULMOR Motors

john in western pa ·
I'm not familiar with Frank Timko, but I probably should be! Can you give me contact info? I'm probably not the only one needing this information! THANKS!!!!
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Marty Fitzhenry ·
Some of the better Lionel engines are worthy of the conversion. I have a Lionel C&O Yellow belly Hudson that I had converted to a can motor and I put DCS in it. I also installed a fan driven smoke unit. Now I have a great looking locomotive with DCS. Out of the box, that engine was a real crapper as were many of the late AC motors Lionel used. Things are great today at Lionel with some very high end people running things.
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RJR ·
John, http://timkorepairdepot.com/ I recommend him very highly. I bought the two motors and "adapters from him and did the DCS installation myself. If you go this route, do be aware that the DCS system cannot directly trigger Lionel coil couplers; you MUST use a relay or change out the couplers (which isn't easy). I make one suggestion, especially if you have a steamer. Put it on a level track, and run as slow as you can at a steady throttle. See if there is any binding as the wheels rotate.
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john in western pa ·
Great video Marty, thanks. I want to do the same sort of stuff. I'm not afraid to dig into a locomotive...I've worked on conventional stuff for years... for myself and for several stores...I was their "train doctor." I've also built amateur radio equipment and done PS2/3 conversions. Hands on...no problem! I need the source for replacement can motors for Lionel's several Pullmor motors. Do you [or anyone else reading this] have contact info for Frank Timko or some other source?
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RJR ·
John, I posted the answer just before your post.
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Marty Fitzhenry ·
ERR makes the AC/DC Commander that will let you run those engines with TMCC. That is nothing new as Lionel used many AC motored TMCC locomotives. An AC motor running with DC is a very smooth motor in most applications.
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David Johnston ·
Hi I would like to hear more about your binding issue with the 736. Do you thing the problem might be in the clearance between the worm and the gear? Have you run it with the rods and valve gear removed? Maybe a bent axle or an out of round wheel? Thanks.
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RJR ·
David, this is a 1950 736, with many miles on it. Never noticed any problem back when it ran conventional, because one would always have to keep a hand on the throttle and couldn't really run slow. When I converted it to DCS, I found that below 7smph there was a noticeable bind with each revolution of the wheels. I have replaced wheel bearings, axles, spur gear and flanged wheels. Tried shimming the motor for greater worm clearance. I have run it without the rods, and it might have run...
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RJR ·
Some of the better Lionel engines are worthy of the conversion. Note the adjective Marty used. The main reason for converting these two was sentiment---my parents gave me these new---and a challenge. Dollar-wise, not justifiable with locos of that vintage. Having said that, if MTH came out with the upgrade kit they've been talking about occasionally, without a tach tape, I'd probably tackle my 1941 #224 for the same sentiment.
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john in western pa ·
Marty, excuse my stupidity... ERR? ...more information please! Thank you all of you for the graet responses to my post... John
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C W Burfle ·
When I converted it to DCS, I found that below 7smph there was a noticeable bind with each revolution of the wheels. My guess: The smoke unit lever is causing the bind. I have seem this problem on a number of locomotives. There is a cam on the front axle that raises the smoke lever.
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Marty Fitzhenry ·
John, the company is Electric Railroad Company. They make boards to convert just about anything to TMCC operation.
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RoyBoy ·
http://www.electricrr.com/products.htm
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Barry Broskowitz ·
You cannot convert the engine to DCS unless you replace the PullMor motor with a DC motor that has a flywheel.
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john in western pa ·
That's kind of what I thought, Barry. Question #2, are DC fly-wheel motors available which can be used to replace Pullmor motors, or am I ahead of the game to start over vis-a-vis PS2/3 power or TMCC/Legacy power. I have plenty of PS2/3 power; however, I also have even more Pullmor powered locomotives which are seldom run anymore. Thanks for your quick response to my question and to everyone else whom you help on this forum, John
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El Classico ·
GAH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Not the dreaded question about converting a postwar steamer into a can motor unit! Although, Radio Shack (if you have one) sells decent can motors, if you can figure out how to mount them.
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john in western pa ·
Hello "madman" I love your humor! No more Radio Shacks here in the booney-booneys of NWPA! "Mating" the worm gears is the issue at hand. It kind-of looks like old versus new, and "n'ere shall the gears of either mate!" I might have more luck retrofitting an original F3 with the horizontal motors. but that will also will be quite a job!
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RJR ·
Frank Timko furnishes, at reasonable prices, can motors with flywheels that can directly replace a Pulmor. They come complete with shaft and worm for the loco you're converting and are a simple drop-in. I've gotten two & converted them to DCS. A 624 runs perfectly (there's a 2014 thread describing the conversion) at any speed 2 smph and up. A well-worn 736 has binding issues that weren't noticeable at the higher train speeds necessitated by conventional operation. If you can figure a way...
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Re: PS2 signal problem only affects one engine

Gregg ·
As BOBBYD pointed out .. anything else from the same TIU output have issues? and where did you get the siding feed? Seems the magic light bulb isn't doing much . Some TMCC engines will destroy the DCS signal.... Any TMCC engines parked on that track
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britrailer ·
There are 2 parallel spurs - each spur has an individual feed from a barrier strip connected about 6" from the bumpers. The paralell spur also shows a 1 signal. The same barrier strip provides feeds from the TIU channel to the the through track from which the spurs are switched as well as other spurs which give 8s, 9s and 10s. I haven't found any DCS problems elsewhere on tracks fed from the same TIU channel Track is Atlas and switches are Ross. The only locomotive close to the area is a...
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britrailer ·
Did a signal test with several engines and, even directly over the power/DCS feed, I only got 1. Now I have to figure out how to get 9s and 10s!
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BobbyD ·
From our quick checklist. Is it fed directly with a pair of wires? Where in the 12' span is the feed? What type of track and switch? Anything else fed from the same TIU output have issues?
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Re: Odd PS2 sound file upload behavior

VADarthDad ·
GGG - Thanks, but this one didn't work either. Got the same error - trying to load a 3V file on a 5V engine - WAIT - it was a 3V engine 2 days ago. Now it's a 5V engine? I think Barry's input that there is flakiness in throwing errors is confirmed - not that I doubted him - he did write The Book - but the odd thing now - after trying to load the above file from 30-4108-1 download and getting the error, the engine has no sounds! I would think that the program shouldn't write anything until...
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GGG ·
While a message error can be random, file loading normally does not do what yours is doing. So either there is a DCS signal strength issue or the board does have some issue that cause the load not to conduct right. Once a load starts it should load correctly. What you are experiencing with not loading one day but loading the next is totally abnormal. G
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Gregg ·
Maybe it just needs a good wheel and roller cleaning? Can you start it up in command mode? does it see the watch dog in another location?
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Alan Mancus ·
hi I would put the engine in question on that section of track and due a signal test with the remote and just see what the signal is with that engine, then put another engine on the same exact location which runs ok and due another track signal test with the remote. I would bet the problem engine will have a much lower track signal test!! then if that occurs and you get a low signal with the engine in question take the cover off and inspect wiring for pinched wires or the harness is to close...
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britrailer ·
AHA! Thanks I'll give that a try.
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Dave, Which version of the Loader Program were you using? You should always use the latest available;e Loader program, which would currently be version 5.0. Regardless, the Loader program will occasionally issue an erroneous error message that the file type is wrong for the engine. Typically, simply quitting and rerunning the Loader program will cure the problem.
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Gregg ·
It WORKED! I had sound back!!!! But 2 hours ago, I got a warning that the engine needed a 5V file? I've never run across this error before , however most of my upgrades were done years ago until a recent one with version 5. . At one time the loader did a factory reset as one of the last steps loading sound files. Would hurt to do a factory and hopefully the error message disappears for ever. Menu/advanced/reset engine/ factory reset.... You may even end up with a few new soft keys.
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VADarthDad ·
Barry: Loader is 2.3.4 with 4.2. I'm sure I wrong, but I could have sworn I saw folks complaining here about 5.0 (and it sounded like it's main driver was wi-fi, which I wasn't planning on moving to yet.) The DCS website doesn't have access to back-level loaders, so I'm leary of moving forward if I run into issues. Gregg - yes - I thought of this and manually did a factory reset after it loaded the file and had no sound. Didn't do a thing. I'm assuming I need 3V files and not 5V files and as...
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Gregg ·
What type of battery is in the engine? 3 volt or 5 volt? That's the only engine on the track right?
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VADarthDad ·
2.4V
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Barry Broskowitz ·
I'm sure I wrong, but I could have sworn I saw folks complaining here about 5.0 You are are absolutely entitled to believe whatever you like, no matter how incorrect it may be. Regardless, my opinion is that DCS 5.0 and Loader Program 5.0 are the best versions of each that MTH has ever produced. Period.
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Gregg ·
Keep trying you'll eventually get something loaded.. use a 3 volt file..
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VADarthDad ·
DCS5.0 now loaded and installed. Thanks Barry. Numerous loads (and errors) of a 3V file has DCS still telling me that the engine is a 5V engine. It still comes up on the screen as 5V under Engine when trying to start the loader, and then throws the Critical Error. Yet as you can see above, it's currently loaded with a 3V file and the sounds works great. I'm leaving as-is for now, as my guess the FT is close enough to an F3. But one would think it should work. Dave
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GGG ·
http://mthtrains.com/30-4108-1 Go to this one and see if it works. It is freight from 2005. That file you listed is the only one posted between 2007 and 2009. It may be corrupted. I e-mail MTH and get it checked. Or have them send you the factory file. G
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Re: PULMOR Motors

RJR ·
Not so, CW. I removed it.
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breezinup ·
Far more experienced voices have spoken here, like Marty Fitzhenry, but like he says, if you haven't familiarized yourself with Electric Railroad products, you should. They're very well known and have been around quite awhile now, are owned by Lionel, and make excellent products. Installing one of their units to convert an AC powered Pullmor loco to command operation is by far the easiest way to go, and also by far the least expensive. It will run extremely well, particularly with Legacy...
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gunrunnerjohn ·
I'm curious about this statement. Most of the couplers are very easy to swap out, are you thinking of a specific example?
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RJR ·
GRJ, yes. The 1946 #726's tender (which I used with my 1950 #736), and the 1953 # 624 switcher. I couldn't figure any simple way to swap. It was easier to just use a relay, which the DCS coupler circuit can easily activate for long enough to supply track power to the coupler.
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gunrunnerjohn ·
OK, really old stuff like that I'll buy. Most of the time the stuff I get for upgrades I can just pop in a PS/2 coupler to replace the existing one.
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Re: PS2 signal problem only affects one engine

britrailer ·
Finally fixed it! The problem was with the TIU channel for that section of track. Having tried everything suggested, I dug out a spare TIU and substituted it - now I'm getting 10's even with a TMCC engine parked next to the MTH engine. Thanks for the help.
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rtr12 ·
If everything else has good signals, it sounds like you have narrowed it down to the spurs or the spur wiring. If everything else comes from the same place and works properly, I would think there has to be something different with the two spurs and their wiring.
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Gregg ·
I might try disconnecting the spur feed on the terminal block and attaching it to the main track before the spur switch at the switch point end. Easy to try if you have a couple of alligator clips. It's either going to drag down the dcs signal on the main track or perhaps fix your problem. . Ya never know. Any spare tiu channels not in use?


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