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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

WindupGuy ·
Mark, I would love to see a good quality modern repro cast iron clockwork! By the time I was aware of the Sunset loco, I think it was sold out... and it was priced high enough that I would need to save up my pennies for quite a while to afford it, anyway. I've never built a windup train motor from scratch, but I've done a fair amount of repair on them. It isn't nearly as involved as actual clockwork - trains need brute strength for power transmission, but no need for the finesse required to...
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Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

mtj54 ·
ok...I know I'm just dreaming here but how interesting would this be...& Lionel or Mike...if I've hit on something here, feel free to take my dream & run with it :-) My son and I did a little Christmas shopping yesterday...found a games and puzzle place right in the middle of the mall & picked up this little "Toy Train In A Tin". For the 9 bucks it cost I didn't care whats inside, I just loved the idea...of course I was immediately thinking "tinplate". Now how cool would it be...
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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

mtj54 ·
I figured for $9 Rusty there couldn't be much in the tin, I was perfectly ok with that. As mentioned, I just liked the idea of it all...like the idea even better for larger items!
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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

Rusty Traque ·
This is what's inside "Toy Train in a Tin," a disappointing el-cheapo plastic train. I think the tin is more valuable... Rusty
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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

mtj54 ·
WINDUPGUY...I agree, most likely won't be done, that just makes me want it done all the more :-) Actually, I couldn't even speak towards that end though...I've never "opened up" any of the cast iron clockwork loco's, so I'd have no idea what's involved inside. Although even without knowing, I suspected it wouldn't be real easy. Funny you mention the cast iron part, that to me would be the easy part. I've had a lot of connections in the past and have dealt with some great...
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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

overlandflyer ·
two buzzkills i can think of... 1) the Consumer Product Safety Act (1972) all but killed the idea of offering a metal clockwork locomotive as a toy. 2) pretty sure you cannot buy Japan Black paint in the US anymore.
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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

Steve "Papa" Eastman ·
One of Sunset Toys and Trains offerings was a repro Ives cast locomotive. Not sure of any details about it. Steve "Papa" Eastman
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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

WindupGuy ·
I hesitate to quote the price I remember in case I'm mistaken, but it had a healthy price tag. I've never seen one in person, but appeared to be a top-notch locomotive from the pictures. Unfortunately, they no longer have a website, correct?
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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

WindupGuy ·
Hmm, repro O gauge clockwork locomotives? There isn't any reason it CAN'T be done, but probably one reason it WON'T be done... cost. The days of quality wind up toy train manufacturing are long gone. Just to make the mechanism would require new tooling to either stamp gears and sideplates out of sheet metal - a substantial cost for a limited run item - or use machined gears, which are pricey too. One of the few modern day wind up trains is the Schylling/Lionel Rail Zeppelin... and the...
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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

mtj54 ·
Thanks Overland Flyer...I'm often dreaming about things that'll probably never happen, but honestly, never dawned on me that there might be a reason like the Consumer Safety act you mention. Should have known that though, I think alot of great toys disappeared for those reasons! Wonder what it was exactly they found "dangerous" about clockwork loco's? I say that because a guy like me is probably more dangerous with electric trains than I am with wind up trains :-)
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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

overlandflyer ·
oh, don't think electric trains weren't effected, too. you may have noticed around that time most high powered transformers (eg: ZW's) also disappeared from the market. i have tried to find some specifics about the dangers of toy trains, but first off, most of the original CPS act has been amended, but more to the point, i've discovered it is more about the liability that companies could face if they knowingly produced a product which could cause an injury. in one version of the law, as few...
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Re: Cast Iron/Tinplate Idea For MTH or Lionel

mtj54 ·
James, I often find myself spending time on the bulletin board here and running into something or someone I find so interesting that I wonder how I couldn't have found it earlier. This is definately one of those cases. Thanks so much for that video! And...my life these days with three teenagers doesn't always allow me the time I'd like to spend more time delving into things I find interesting, but I just took a look at your profile and just caught a glimpse of your website, wow! I don't know...
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Robert S. Butler ·
The green engine in the upper right hand corner looks like it might be a Bing #4711 for the English market ca 1926-1927
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
Where have you found that out? I'd be glad to have a resource on hand for this stuff.
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

lewrail ·
The two tone job in the lower right corner is the Hornby 2509 Silver Link, made during the late 1930s. It came with a tender and a two car articulated passenger train. The tank loco in the NW corner is definitely a Hornby M-3. Not sure about the others particularly the guy in the middle with what appears to be a French coupling on the front. Lew Schneider
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

TeleDoc ·
I don't remember the exact website url, but do a google search for "BINNSROAD", and then try searching there. It is a U.K. website, and has loads of information. Good luck.
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Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
Recently, I have purchased 5 clockwork gauge 0 locomotives from a seller in England, and while I am waiting on them to arrive, I have decided to try and Identify them, though I have been having trouble, as a few were repainted. 4 of the locos are Hornby, and one is Bing, I believe. I have been having trouble Identifying 2, the top right, and the top left one. Weeks of research have gone into them, and not a single loco identical to them has come up. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and...
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Steamer ·
I don't have a clue, but I like'm!
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Roo ·
If your interested in Hornby Clockwork buy this book. Roo
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
What exactly is the book about?
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Robert S. Butler ·
When you compare your engine pictures with those that ARNE provided the superstructure matches in all details save the inverted V for key clearance (there is the difference in wheel spoke count and shape between your engine and ARNE's example, however, the Schiffmann reference has a photograph of this engine with wheels that appear to match yours). Based on your third photo the inverted V for clearance of the windup key doesn't look to be symmetric which, given the overall condition and the...
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Robert S. Butler ·
If you go over to BookFinder.com, type in the title and indicate the language is German you will get a listing of a number of German booksellers that have this for sale. Below is the https I used to find the listings. https://www.bookfinder.com/sea...&st=sr&ac=qr
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
Do you have a link to an online pdf, or maybe a store link to where I can purchase this?
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Arne ·
This bing loco can not be found in any catalog. In the Bing UK catalog 1926 and in the Schiffmann collectors guide are only LMS and LNER to found. The black one is in LNWR colour, this was made before 1923, but no catalog with them is known. Here a picture from UK catalog 1926 and a few pictures of this Loco. Arne
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Robert S. Butler ·
It came from the German Schiffmann guide to Bing Trains - it's all in German and most of the book consists of descriptions of variations. There are photo sections which illustrate the main examples of each item.
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
You must mean this one http://www.binnsroad.co.uk/railways/oindex.html I use it often to scout out smaller O gauge manufacturers. I'm not sure how sepcific they go into detail, but I'll give them a look
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
Thank you!
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
About the Hornby M-3, I have yet to find one online with the type of front coupling that this one has. I have searched for weeks now, and nothing quite like it has come up. A far-fetched idea of mine was that it was a prototype, and that could explain it's solid creme color. But that is unlikely, so I will keep searching.
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
As shown in this image, the cutout around the winding mechanism is a circular cutout, again. I have yet to find one with the pyramid cutout like in the one I bought. Also, i believe the loco, as well as a few others in the collection i bought were repainted, which has posed a problem with identification.
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Robert S. Butler ·
I don't have the latest version of the Hornby Gauge O System but a check of the pictures in my book would argue the engine in the lower left is a Hornby No.1 ca 1931. The picture in the book of the Southern #111 on page 45 of my reference appears to match your engine in all respects save one - I can't tell from your picture nor from the picture in the book the shape of the chassis front. Your camera angle suggests it is a straight step from the chassis down to the front part of the engine...
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
May I see a picture of the loco in the book?
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Roo ·
Here is the photo from page 45. It's the same photo in both books. Roo.
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Robert S. Butler ·
It looks like the middle engine is a repainted postwar Hornby M1. It's missing the smokestack but it matches the rest of the M1 configuration - canted steam chest, indented boiler stamping, single hand rail, cab configuration, no bumpers, etc. The picture is from the Hornby book mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
From what ive seen in the pictures, the original paint might have been green, as you can see the blue paint flaking around the edges of the cab. Other than that, this engine is a perfect match. The only thing I'm still confused about the engine in the top left, with the unique front coupling.
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Robert S. Butler ·
LEWRAIL identified that engine as a Hornby M3. The coupler is just the standard Hornby coupler from the period which is missing the wire latch. Attached is a picture of a Hornby crane car equipped with the complete coupler assembly on either end for comparison.
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Re: Help Identifying These Hornby and Bing Clockwork Models

Berkshire ·
Ah, okay. All the searching I went through provided examples that had a different coupler, and I assumed it might have either been a modification, like the Bing engine, or a prototype. These are my first overseas engines, most of my collection consists of Lionel, Marx, and American Flyer, mainly the first, so I'm not quite good at identifying. I'll be sure to post more pictures once they arrive, which should either be today or tomorrow. Will update you once they arrive.
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Clockwork Trains

Old_standard-gauge ·
Many early manufacturers made windup locomotives in O gauge. Were there any made in the larger scales like 1 gauge, 2 gauge or standard/wide gauge?
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Re: Clockwork Trains

bigmark75f ·
Both Bing and Märklin made clockwork locos as large as 3" gauge before WW1, But just to confuse everyone, Bing called it gauge 4, and Märklin gauge 3. A friend of mine has a gauge 4 Bing 0-4-0 and tender, it comes with a crank handle to wind it.
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Re: Clockwork Trains

sncf231e ·
Here is a Märklin and a Bing gauge 1 clockwork train in my garden: Regards Fred
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Old_standard-gauge ·
Thank you for the info. Very nice trains Fred. Surprised at how far they traveled, thought the larger size would limit travel distance.
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Re: Clockwork Trains

sncf231e ·
Most 0 gauge or 1 gauge clockwork locomotives run about 40 meter (on my layout). Some beter ones do 50 meter. Regards Fred
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Restoration Estimate Inquiry

Elgaucho ·
I thought I'd get an estimate for a restoration job (in case I'm too afraid to do it myself) and I was BLOWN AWAY by the cost! (I'm not even sure of this train is worth that price "new"!) For 6-8hrs work... this engine and sections of the passenger cars would cost about USD$680-700 (essentially, a day's work) Do you agree?!! If you agree it's too much, would you recommend someone? Thanks everyone! El Gaucho (Argentine Cowboy).. but you can call me Ariel
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Re: Restoration Estimate Inquiry

Bossman284 ·
Too many variables to answer your question. First off it may be 8 hours of work, but it will be many days, because there needs to be time between the restoration steps. The next thing I would need to know is what will be the finished product? Is he just cleaning and removing the rust? Or is he repainting everything to make it look brand new? I would imagine the gold trimmed boxed on the passenger cars them selves would take a long time by itself. Any finally, I'd need to know who is doing...
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Re: Restoration Estimate Inquiry

Elgaucho ·
Thanks for the reply Bossman. It's a removing rust-job. No repaint. I'd assume he's a seasoned artist, has his own restoration shop and he sells some of his restorations. To me.. it's not worth USD$1,000 (if you count the purchase of the original.. for parts) BTW... who's this infamous "Earl Shrive"?!! Ha! Ariel
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Re: Restoration Estimate Inquiry

Bossman284 ·
If its just rust removal than I would say yest it seems to by high. "Earl Shrive" was a guy out here on the east coast that used to have auto body shops and and would paint your entire care for $99.00 It was the true epitome of "you get what you pay for" Good like with your project
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sncf231e ·
I have a couple of this small BING's; this set in like new condition had a price (sold by a BING collector, so he knew) of about $100: And this one was just a few tens: Regards Fred
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Elgaucho ·
Wow Fred! Beauties!! Do you know of any up for sale? I love these toy-like windups.
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Re: Early Short German Bing Wind Ups Wanted!

Elgaucho ·
Would also express interest in this small electric body (wind up) I find it'd be a great, light train set to speed around an "elevated" track! As there'd be less chance of it flyin' OFF the track
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Re: Bing Box Set - Inquiry

Elgaucho ·
The missing shaved paper filling would explain the extra space in the squares. You're right. Does your box contain the exact same train? Is the space for the tracks meant for an 6-8 curved pieces track?
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Re: Bing Box Set - Inquiry

Robert S. Butler ·
No, mine is a basic 0-4-0 with a tender, baggage and two passenger cars. The train is smaller than yours appears to be, however, the box innards, other than having a few more compartments for the train components, is divided in the same way with the track filling the larger space. My track forms an oval - 8 curved and two straight. One of the straight pieces has a hand thrown reversing switch. Speaking of track, based on your picture, it looks like you have a dead end bumper. Does your set...
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