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Brand New Legacy Engine will not run

LoRusso ·
Purchased a brand new Jersey Central F3 AA Legacy set today came home put it on the track and it will not move. It tries to move and the front wheels will spin and it jerks a inch or so. I turned it over and it is very hard to spin any of the wheels...
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Anyone know of any difference between Lionel Burlington F3 AA 6-38597 and 6-38598 (2012/2013)

East Tennessee ·
Anyone know of any difference between Lionel Burlington F3 AA 6-38597 and 6-38598 (2012/2013
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F/S Lionel PRR 6-8953 F3 AA units w/TMCC/ Sound & 6-8164 B unit w/horn

ncdave ·
F/S Lionel PRR 6-8953 F3 AA units w/TMCC/ Sound & 6-8164 B unit w/horn All engines feature Die-Cast Couplers, Trucks, Chassis and Fuel Tank 6- 8953 PRR F3 AA Diesels feature: Powered A unit has twin Pullmor motors with eight wheel drive Operating couplers on fronts of A units Dummy couplers at rear of AA units and both ends of B unit AA units have been upgraded to LED headlights A unit upgraded to TMCC and sound by Boxcar Bill 8164 PRR F3 B unit has a transformer activated electronic...
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Knowledge of the art and science of graphics production

tplee ·
Does anyone have a source or the knowledge about the science and art of having custom engine graphics produced. I would like to have made, specific engine graphics for 40 engines each of EMD F3's both A & B units. Buzz Lee tplee@me.com
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Re: Mildew spots on 2344 NYC F3

Gregg ·
https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/t...stic-post-war-trains
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Re: Mildew spots on 2344 NYC F3

Jim Policastro ·
Here's a video of the process. Be gentle with the heat on painted surfaces. It's not mold or mildew or anything else alive. It's mold release compound that melts away with the application of heat and can be wiped off while it's in liquid form. Jim
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Re: Anyone know of any difference between Lionel Burlington F3 AA 6-38597 and 6-38598 (2012/2013)

breezinup ·
38597 is the number of the A-A set that was sold by Lionel. The set box with the two A-units inside (powered and dummy) will say 38597. The individual engines inside the set box (and their individual boxes will be numbered as such) are 38598 for the powered A and 38599 for the dummy A. (The dummy B unit is 38701, incidentally.)
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

borderman01 ·
Hi all I must be one lucky person. By pure luck I was on MTH's FB a few days ago and saw an article about a version of the NS being released. Someone commented that they should re-release the Premier DAP version. So MTH commented that they should look at the MTH website to see if a dealer has it in stock. But everyone knows that it has long been a very hard item to find and very sought after. So I decided to look at MTH website and low and behold a dealer had it in stock. I couldn't believe...
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

Rocky Mountaineer ·
Congrats on a great find, borderman01. I love to hear stories like this one! Just goes to prove not everyone is out to gouge fellow toy train enthusiasts in the market for "hot items". MSRP would be well-worth it for a lovely set like that. Now... to search for the "extra add-ons" that go with it!!! I think there were 9 or 10 passenger cars catalog'd in all. Enjoy!!! David
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

Southern Railway Sean ·
The MTH NS DAP set in one of my prize set in my collection. Now if I can only find the Full Vista Dome "Deleware" to complete my set I'll be happy! It would be nice if MTH did a special run of the Buena Vista with the correct theater rear glass!! I would get this car in both Southern and NS paint scheme.
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

Smoke Stack Lightnin ·
I have the complete DAP set. Paint came off two of the cars. Small flecks approximately 1/4"x1/2". Right near the car name plate (side panel) on one car, and off the roof on another. In other words, one tuscan and one black area. I do run them, but am very careful handling them, and there are no obstructions on my layout. Never found the paint flecks, and so far, no other paint has come loose. I haven't heard any other incidents of this nature. Stack
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borderman01 ·
I did check over the paint when I did receive and didnt find any flaking or issues with the paint. Thanksfully. I do and will handle them with extra care. Now I am just waiting for the 5 car set to come in. Just very grateful to be able to own a set.
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

borderman01 ·
Here are some of the pics.
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

kjstrains ·
Very nice set. I have the Railking set wishing I could have the premeir set. Congradulations on your find!
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

borderman01 ·
I wished that MTH would make an open window end car (Theater Car) like they are today. This end car would look awesome like this one
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Michigan & Ohio Valley Lines ·
Smoke Stack Lightnin, Not to long ago guys were talking about the small percent of the paint issues with this set. It was mentioned that MTH replaced some shells. One guy thought that it was too long since the release to get replacements, but found out MTH still had some. It might be worth a call as it is possible they have some left.
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

borderman01 ·
All I just saw this on ebay. There is a DAP ABA set for sale. But it has the paint flake/chip issue and on top of that it seems the owner tried to paint over it. Wow. What a mess. When I saw this I cringed.
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

ROGERW ·
My "B" unit is flaking. I called MTH to get a replacement and they wanted me to pay to get it repainted!! The "B" unit that is flaking is the extra "B" unit, not the one that comes with the A-B-A set...............Rogerw.
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

kjstrains ·
Originally Posted by borderman01: All I just saw this on ebay. There is a DAP ABA set for sale. But it has the paint flake/chip issue and on top of that it seems the owner tried to paint over it. Wow. What a mess. When I saw this I cringed. He is asking a lot for a set that is flawed. I wonder if it will sell for his asking price or if he will have to come down.
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borderman01 ·
I do not believe he will get what he is asking especially with that bad paint fix but all the cracks you can see. I know if my set was cracking and chipping like that I would pay extra for MTH to fix IMHO.
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

Rocky Mountaineer ·
Originally Posted by borderman01: All I just saw this on ebay. There is a DAP ABA set for sale. But it has the paint flake/chip issue and on top of that it seems the owner tried to paint over it. Wow. What a mess. When I saw this I cringed. When will people learn??? The ENTIRE set (including all locomotive units and all passenger cars) MSRP'd out to $1700 or so, as I recall. Now someone is trying to sell "just" the ABA with paint flaws AND a poor attempt at fixing the flaws for a shade under...
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

Polarxpress3 ·
Just bought the rail king version for 400. They are terrific looking. Been hard to find.
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DOC ·
I have the ABBA WilliamsF units and the Railking NS cars Makes a very nice set.Less than $500 in it.
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borderman01 ·
Hey I noticed there is a set that has a very similar paint scheme as this. The F3 Southern ABA 20-20044-1 premier set. Does anyone own this and can provide some pics? Thanks
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

mountain482 ·
To clarify, the DAP set was Premier, not RailKing. The RailKing set was released at a later time and was not associated with MTH's DAP program. This makes the RailKing set a little easier to find. The Premier DAP set had scale F7 engines with scale details including the second B-unit. The RailKing set had engines based on Lionel's Postwar F3s except that a few minor details had been upgraded when MTH did the redesign several years before. The second B-unit was not offered. Both sets had cars...
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

tplee ·
Thanks for the reply. Do you happen to know the product numbers. Did MTH use a 30 prefix for the scale ones on the DAP set. I see the sets for sale have the B units but use what I would call a Rail King 30 prefix in the number. Thanks Buzz
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

mountain482 ·
The RailKing set was just an A-B-A. The Premier DAP set was an A-B-A plus an extra B-unit to make the A-B-B-A set that NS usually runs for that train. MTH used a special numbering system using the 20-8000 X (the X being a different number each year) for the DAP program. It did not matter if the item was RailKing or otherwise. It got a 20- number. In 2009, MTH stopped that pattern and gave everything in the DAP program a normal item number that corresponded with the product line where it...
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

PRRronbh ·
The DAP set being Premier are prefixed by a 20. Specifically 20-80007B and 20-80007C. They are harder to find than hen's teeth! And as expensive! I know where anew RK set is currently.
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Re: MTH NS F3 ABA DAP sets

tplee ·
Thanks all, for the clarifications, it is most appreciated Buzz
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Chris Lord ·
There's a complete DAP set for sale on the bay right now for $5500!
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Virginian ·
The Premier set is the #1 item on my wish list but even if I won the lottery I wouldn't pay $5,500.
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

GG1 4877 ·
There are a few things I can say about the 3rd Rail Santa Fe F7s in regards to the detailing. The Warbonnet F7 is being detailed to be accurate to the post 1956 era as that is when the final El Capitan cars were delivered to the Santa Fe. This will also cover the 1958 combined Super Chief / El Capitan as well. Numbers to be determined, but they will not be the same as the Atlas set due to the detailing being done. They will be done in LABC configurations for those who purchased ABBA sets.
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

Number 90 ·
Back to your original question, James Eaton: I don't see how you could go wrong with either of the Atlas F7's, except if you are a truly dedicated modeler of my Home Road. The prototype 37 and the 45 were from different production phases and did differ on some car body details. Atlas is surely not going to produce both phases, but that much attention to detail is not usually a problem for 3-rail modelers. In O scale 2-rail, or in HO, they won't tolerate it. The Atlas F7's will surely be...
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

T4TT ·
Hello Jonathan, Please forgive my ignorance, but can you elaborate in greater detail how the 3rd rail F7s will differ from the Atlas F7s? I don't have extensive knowledge of the prototype nor do I have the "WTF attitude" toward spending the $2400 it would cost for a 3rd Rail ABBA configuration. Though, I have in the past rationalized what many would have considered to be outlandish amounts of money on trains. I too contemplated mixing 3rd Rail powered As with Atlas dummy Bs. But the numbers...
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

GG1 4877 ·
Originally Posted by T4TT: Hi Jonathan, Wow, are you kidding me? That is a ton of great info, that helps a ton!! Glad to help! It has been fascinating learning about the ATSF. It seems I'm modeling that in 3R now, while sticking with PRR and CNJ in 2R. One clarification I need to make is that the ATSF was definitely mixing numbers on F units by 1958. I don't know a lot of modelers who are that concerned about exact dates, but there are certainly some. Personally I live in a 1953-1957 range...
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

Former Member ·
Originally Posted by GG1 4877: The funny part about this whole discussion is I have three MTH FP45s that will be pulling my 11 car El Capitan when it arrives dating the train to the 1967-1971 period. I love F units, but those cowl unit beasts look pretty cool pulling a passenger train. I've been trying to convince Scott that he needs to make some FP45s to pull that train as well
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

Boilermaker1 ·
Originally Posted by GG1 4877: Originally Posted by c.sam: Hi Jonathan and thanks for the details you've provided. Your suggestion for mixing brands to obtain some non-powered B units seems a good one. But now we'd have to convince Atlas to paint some Santa Fe B's in yellow.. Perhaps you guys could order some undecorated B's from them and paint then to match what you are offering? Interesting concept. Let me run that up the tree. I don't know if that would pencil out or not? It is...
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

James Eaton ·
I am loving all this information that is being shared here. Jonathan, Thank you for your willingness to share your knowledge and insight. As I stated earlier, if we could afford to swing the ABBA 3rd Rail F7's, I would definitely explore said option, but we do not need 4 powered units. That is just way overkill for us. However, IF 3rd Rail offered Dummy B's like they are doing for the E7's, then we may reconsider and might be able to swing the expense of buying 3rd Rail. The picture you are...
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by Boilermaker1: I also took the F-it approach and ordered an ABBA of the 3rd Rail units. In part because of the available Yellow Bonnet units (ordered a Yellow A, and Red B-B-A), and in part because they have a semi-defined delivery date, rather than the alleged delivery date with the Atlas ones. Having already spent a small fortune for the Amtrak El Cap cars, I figured I might as well just blow the rest of this years train budget on the engines to pull it, without having...
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

david1 ·
I wanted an ABBA set of Rio Grande F7's from 3rd rail but spending $2400+ is a non starter. The WTF way of thinking does not work for me. Money means allot to me and spending what 3rd rail wants is not going to happen. So I ordered them from AtlasO. I expect them to be a great set. Each mfr.has their good and bad points but if AtlasO's is as good as their F3's then I will be very happy.
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by Rob Leese: I chose to go the less expensive route of K-Line a-b-a sets (all three powered), as I run conventional only. And I have 2 of these sets plus an additional b unit. OK but, those models are nowhere near scale when compared to what has been discussed on this thread.
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

GG1 4877 ·
Originally Posted by T4TT: Hello Jonathan, Please forgive my ignorance, but can you elaborate in greater detail how the 3rd rail F7s will differ from the Atlas F7s? I don't have extensive knowledge of the prototype nor do I have the "WTF attitude" toward spending the $2400 it would cost for a 3rd Rail ABBA configuration. Though, I have in the past rationalized what many would have considered to be outlandish amounts of money on trains. I too contemplated mixing 3rd Rail powered As with Atlas...
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

James Eaton ·
Originally Posted by SantaFeJim: Stick with this: A- Powered (45L) B- Dummy (45A) B- Dummy (45B) A- Powered (45C) That is how they were delivered from EMD and Santa Fe made every effort to keep the together while they were in service. Also with this configuration the two powered units contain the sound and it will be more evenly distributed as the lash-up passes. BTW, I have the full 12-car GGD El Capitan set on order and will probably use the above units for 50% of the time on the El Cap.
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

RoyBoy ·
A couple of comments. If multiple units from the same manufacturer and having the same drive system will not MU, then one of the units has a malfunction. The slow unit probably has a bad motor or a misaligned gear system. The slow unit should be investigated/troubleshot. Not all locomotives using the China Drive have the same gear ratio. While they seem to have the same motors, different manufacturers use different gears on the motors and the axles. I am just starting to investigate this,...
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

Mike CT ·
I know a guy who has hiked the Grand Canyon (7) times. PA to Arizona transportation, even though your staying in a tent a good bit of the time, it's an easy $2,000 per person for the 7 to 8 day experience. Spend your money how ever you want , and say a prayer every day that we still have the ability and meager wealth to do so. IMO Mike.
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SantaFeJim ·
Did you guys happen to catch Scott Mann's post on the 3RS Forum? Here is a picture of our soon to be cut-out El Cap cars. Delivery April/May?
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SantaFeJim ·
Invitation to T4TT and ALL other Forum members. I see from your profile that you live in Illinois. I live in Tinley Park but I belong to a Hi-Rail train club in Griffith Indiana. It is about a 25 minute drive from my house. The reason mention this is because our club is having an open house this weekend. We are open to the public from 10:00am - 5:00pm both Saturday and Sunday. Admission is FREE. So, if your looking for something to do why not drive out and visit us. Here is a link with...
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Re: Santa Fe F7 Questions

SantaFeJim ·
Here are some pictures of our Club layout in Griffith.
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marker ·
Looks great Jim. Enjoy the weekend.
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Hot Water ·
Originally Posted by T4TT: One large motor is superior to two smaller motors driving individual trucks? Correct. That has been so for, what,,,,,,maybe 75 years in the 2-Rail SCALE diesel locomotive models? Based on the schematic in the latest Lionel catalog, Lionel uses the same "China Drive" set up employed by Atlas? As does MTH and even Weaver, if I remember. Then 3rd Rail puts the speaker inside the body, since the drive shaft is in the fuel tank? Yes. Thus the sound "comes out of the...
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