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Re: Slow 8305 Engine

Matthew B. ·
I have three of these engines and they are about the best of all my MPC era engines. Make sure all is clean and as jim says the brushes are secure and not worn down. sometimes the reverse unit needs a good smack but generally they are trouble free and grewat smokers after replacing the units with new ones from the train tender,
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trainut ·
Matthew, Explain what MPC means.
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Adriatic ·
That had a sound system. called the Mighty Sounds of Steam...If the tender is with it, don't run it until you inspect and replace the foam the sound board sits on. Those boards short out on the tender frames as the foam deteriorated over time. The capacitors go bad too. There is a thether wire to the tender, I don't recall if it's the chuff switch or power to the tender, but is one of the two, or both. The rest is just like any other similar loco, any basic diagram applies to the motor,...
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HELP!! K-Line K-29212 Rio Grande PA-1 ABA w/TMCC, EC, Smoke

Frank Ranzino ·
Features: Dual Vertical Motors with Brass Flywheels 3 Position E-Reversing Unit Linking Both Units (Powerlink) 8-wheel Drive Lionel RailSounds Digital Sound TrainMaster Command Control PROBLEM - NEED HELP !! Engine runs great, forward and reverse.  Illuminated well, horn whistle is good, BUT engine comes to a complete stop with a full idle and illumination and then minutes later will take off on its own.  Note - I am running these engines with a MTH Z-4000 transformer.  I am...
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Re: HELP!! K-Line K-29212 Rio Grande PA-1 ABA w/TMCC, EC, Smoke

Frank Ranzino ·
Thank you for answering. Sorry it took so long to get back to you. Working long hours due to weather. 21 Volts in Neutral (1-3 AMPS) with it idling waiting for it to run. Starts to run and voltage drops to 15V and amps up to 8.2 continues a little bit and then stops again and returns back to the 21V. Pressing direction, horn, whistle doesn't do anything. It has a mind of its own. Afraid to run it any more for fear of damaging engine.
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Re: HELP!! K-Line K-29212 Rio Grande PA-1 ABA w/TMCC, EC, Smoke

GGG ·
TMCC doesn't like 21V. Recommend is 18VAC. 8 A seems high so something is a miss. Motors turn freely? I would turn smoke off if it has it, and try running at 18V and see if it does it, but worth internal inspection to see if one of the boards shows damage. G
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GGG ·
What is the current draw when this happens? Is the Transformer kicking out on high current? G
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Re: Slow 8305 Engine

mlavender480 ·
My 8304 did the exact same thing. Someone, possibly Jim, said to check the brush spring tension. I gave them a gentle tweak with needle nose pliers, not a full-on bend but just enough to increase their tension. The engine has run fine since.
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Slow 8305 Engine

trainut ·
New Question Guys Have a 8305 Milwaukee road engine 70's o gauge and for the longest time it would run itself continously until it threw itself off the track by running to fast( my fault, a little "Adams family") or pull 7 passenger cars. No problem. Ran fine after derailment. Now, the engine gets extremly hot and nearly stops after running about 1/2 hour. Pulling 4 plastic passenger cars. Thought that the brushes were worn but they were not. Found that the conotater was dirty and may be...
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jim sutter ·
Make sure you have good tension from your brush springs.
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trainut ·
Jim thanks for the help. When I went in to the engine last time they were fine, but I will check them again.
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ADCX Rob ·
I've never had any kind of failure with these designs, but keep in mind that MPC probably did not think originally that these would be asked to pull much more than their 3 car consists when drawn up. Also, these sets were designed for & came with 50 watt(input) and sometimes smaller 16 volt transformers, not KWs or ZWs. I have found that these do run a little warmer with modern electronic power supplies as opposed to straight sine wave transformers. If yours has heated up appreciably,...
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Re: Slow 8305 Engine

Ted S ·
I've had similar problems with these 4-4-2s. Personally I think the wiring Lionel MPC used in the motor/chassis is underspec'd for the amount of current they can pull. Note the MPC 4-wheel motor has a larger armature and more laminations than its postwar counterpart. Plus these are carrying the heavy 2037 style cab, but have the taller gearing of a 2034. When you pull a heavy load the rubber tires prevent the wheels from slipping and things can get HOT. This is even more true the...
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Adriatic ·
I'm guessing the windings or brushes too. I have bad luck with thin wire dual fields on the diesels, not steam though. But overheated eunit fingers might do that too And a shorted smoke unit is a possible draw issue that can be overlooked as heat and smoke isnt that unusual here. (It used to be tinsel, lol, has been a stray wire clipping and a stainless wire wheel bristle loss to date). Pressure is a big factor questio in electrical contact. The more the better. A weak sprung brush's...
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Re: Slow 8305 Engine

trainut ·
No go on the increase of the speed. Brushes are fine. Springs are adjusted. I have noticed for the second time the pick ups are heavily pitting and the frame that holds the horse shoe field is getting hot next to the pick ups. Also noticed that the pick ups are sparking pretty bad. Sounds like what I would maybe call feed back. Any info guys?
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Adriatic ·
Lionel went bankrupt by 1969. General Mills/Quaker bought it and put it under the MPC divisions control. The 70s until the next corporate shake up of the 80s is the "MPC era" for Lionel. There was both inovation, and a cheapening of products, leaving mixed reviews on the era; but other than nostalgic "day glow colors" and a few premium trains, they tend to have a reputation for mediocre to cheap quality in comparison to Post War. The marketing changed drastically, nice models no longer...
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Re: Slow 8305 Engine

bmoran4 ·
Just a tad bit more detail: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel,_LLC#The_MPC.2FGeneral_Mills_era_.281970.E2.80.931986.29
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jim sutter ·
Sounds like there is not enough tension on your pick ups to the middle rail. The tension spring is not holding the pick ups tight enough. Try bending the spring to put more pressure on your pick ups.
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jim sutter ·
Model Products Corporation.
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trainut ·
New topic. Would anyone have a parts breakdown diagram on a 8305 Milwaukee road o gauge 4-4-2. 70's. Also the electrical diagram for the same engine or how to acquire one. Have checked with Lionel and Olson. Did not find one. Also, Guys thanks for the input.
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trainut ·
Good info Jim. Thanks.
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ADCX Rob ·
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Adriatic ·
He needs to trade in that life jacket in on a super hero cape, eh?
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trainut ·
Thanks Mike, it was Jim.
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bmoran4 ·
If you could post a picture of your predicament, we would be better able to help you. Just for confirmation, you don't have screws holding your brush plate on?
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Adriatic ·
Don't! Not yet! To post a picture, use the "attachment tool", blue, at the bottom of the composer box. Once loaded and processed, an option to insert into text full size appears. If you don't check it, or forget, you must go to the picture now at the bottom of the composer, choose insert photo, and choose a size; small,med, large. Not choosing a size at all, the photo appears at the posts end as a thumbnail pic. From what you describe, it sounds like it might riveted on. That would be...
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bmoran4 ·
Those look like pop rivets to me. Now why would someone replace the screws with pop rivets? Lost screws? Loose screws? Buggered up threads? You could drill them out and figure out what is going on as I doubt those are factory.
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trainut ·
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Adriatic ·
Ive read what's there a few times, and can read it different ways, so please bare with.... The "tubes". Look close at the diagram above Jim posted. Is it the brush cover plate, or the armature bearing plate? Because the brush plate does have tubes, but they don't secure it. The armature bearing plate on the other hand; that I could see being riveted on. It would seldom get removed. But check the back side of the "tube" for a screw head, or a staking/rolling of the end. I say look for a screw...
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trainut ·
Inside and out are the same heads. If pop rivets they would have a center metal core for the gun to pull on for tightening.
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Adriatic ·
Looks like pop rivets to me too. If you pull the armature & brush plate, you should be able to see the rivet ends to know for sure, the tube will be distorted, stretched fatter than the hole. It might be easier to hold them from spinning with needle nose as you drill the heads off anyhow. And once the head is off, it often still takes a reasonably strong pull to get it out, or a few taps with a hammer and drift (punch). If the holes are threaded still, you might have to unscrew the rivet...
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Adriatic ·
Sometimes the nail head core does fall out. It could also be a normal rivet. If it is hollow, no core, I'd drill the head off. Use a bit larger than the hole. High speed, low pressure, go slow. And be mindful to avoid heat, severe bit grabbing, and shocks. Lionel motor plastic is normally strong, but slightly brittle at times, good with heat. Everything has its limits though .
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jim sutter ·
Hope this helps you. To remove the cover you asked about, I believe its held in place by two small screws.
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trainut ·
thanks Rob I did look at lionel but could not arrive at any info. What I am trying to do is repair my other 8305 also. The metal gear on the armatour and the small plastic gear that connects to are stripped and the gears lock. Wheels will not turn. There is also a cover that is over both of these and I would like to know how to remove this cover which is also plastic and has two metal tubes through it. Holding the cover on. Would you help or is there a diagram for the motor? Really at a ...
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trainut ·
This helps a lot but alas I do not have the screws. Mine are aluminum tubes rounded at ends to hold on the cover. Well, here goes experimentations. Any advice in drilling out the tubes to get the one rounded edge off. What would be the best screw to use? All of these two motors must be pre diagram. Thanks Jim! 60 year old child with problems
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ADCX Rob ·
Those pages are from the Service Supplements 1-9 document on the Lionel Support website.
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trainut ·
Alright Guys From all of your help I found the correct engine and it did have rivets. At Lionel dot com, under supplements 1-9 pages 419- 420 engine 8601-100 motor has rivets. Only the pick up shoes are different.
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Ted S ·
Here's one more thing you might consider, but not sure how easily it could be fixed... Growing up we had a plastic-bodied 8203 with basically the same motor/chassis as your 8305. It always ran insanely fast with a lot of wheelspin and very little pulling power. After several years and repair attempts, my father noticed that the chassis wasn't staked tightly, and the frame plates weren't parallel. (Note that MPC used light-gauge aluminum side frames with zamac spacers, vs. the black steel...
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trainut ·
Setting the 8305 aside for a while but shall return to it. Going to after a rest from it, I shall redo every connection with fresh solder and probably new wire. Thanks Guys
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Re: New Sd 50

Billsrr ·
Checked the switch it was in DCS and in 3rail mode. The other engines in signal check are 8 min but this eng is in the 3 to 4 range. Also the hand held says out of range right near the TIU.
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New Sd 50

Billsrr ·
The engine starts up by it self and will not respond. Tried factory reset, which did not help and then tried deleting the engine. It still starts by itself and the remote cannot find the engine. Earlier it said the engine was not on the track. All the other engines work fine. Track signal 8 to 10. New to DCS could use some help. Thanks
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GGG ·
Wire may not be routed over the board correctly. There are post that show correct wiring for PS-3 diesel boards if you do a search. G
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Barry Broskowitz ·
Bill, Does this engine have a DCS/DCC switch? If it does, make sure that it's in the DCS position. This and a whole lot more about DCS is all in MTH’s “The DCS Companion 3rd Edition!" This book is available from many fine OGR advertisers and forum sponsors, or as an eBook or a printed book at MTH's web store! This and a whole lot more about DCS WiFi is all in MTH’s “The DCS WiFi Companion 1st Edition!" This book is available from many fine OGR advertisers and forum sponsors, or as an eBook...
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Billsrr ·
Well I tested the two other MTH locos and they are fine and show a track signal on 10. The SD 50 has been reset and when a track signal test on the same track shows 1 or out of range. Batteries in remote are new. Eng will start and the horn will blow continues to sound even with a short touch to the button. Help.
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Billsrr ·
I took the shell off and the wires are not over the board. This is a new locomotive and I'm sorry I bought it. The engine starts by itself and doesn't have any control . The remote says engine not on track. By all the other locomotives I have signal strength on 8 to 10. It will not accept a reset. Am at my wits end. Can any on help please. I have two other MTH engines both rail king and they operate very well. I have 6.0 software.
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willygee ·
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willygee ·
Less electrical noise(interference) to the signal gen...curious as to what your signal test levels are now?
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Billsrr ·
Just checked signal strength in the same track that had 1 to 3 and it is a 9 to 10. What a difference. Thanks to all who assisted. This forum is so valuable.
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Hotpressmugs ·
I know this is a far far reach but by any chance do you have Lionel Legacy system on the same rails? I have seen issues like this maybe once before with one of my engines and when I removed the legacy signal wire, all was good. Like I said something similar has happened to me with only one of my over 200 MTH engines. Mike
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Dave Zucal ·
BILLSSR, if re-routing the wires didn't work for you, it may be a weak ground. Try removing the black ground screw on each truck and scrape the black paint off the underside of the screw head and re-install. If that don't help remove each wire nut and re-twist the wires and reinstall the nuts on the groups of wires in the engine. I've seen where a wire gets push off the group when a nut was originally installed. Sometimes there's too many wires for the size of the nut and a slightly larger...
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