Tagged With "Smoking Whistle"

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F/c northern not working

Milan ·
hello, need help. My F/C northern stopped smoking and running. The loco will work and run when the smoke switch is switched to NO smoke. It will run in Conv and remote all sounds work when the smoke switch is set NO smoke. But, when it is switched to smoke the loco is dead only the head light is on. So is the smoke unit bad? If so how or why does it keep the engine from running? If you have had this problem let me know. I'll call Lionel to see what I need to do to get a new smoke unit. Thank...
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Smoke unit element

RD ·
Is this the right element to pak my smoke unit... got this from my LHS...
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Re: Help Needed On Smoke Issues

phillyreading ·
I would use the MTH smoke fluid, it's what your engine came with. About filling the engine with smoke fluid, add about 6 drops. Never completely fill the smoke unit as it may spit or pop fluid out. Lee Fritz
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Re: Help Needed On Smoke Issues

Scott T Johnson ·
If its a twin stack diesel those can have problems usually related to the oil not wanting to get into the smoke chamber via the plastic manifold that connects the smoke chamber to the stacks. If you search the forum there are lots of threads on different tricks that can help. My approach is to remove the shell, make sure the wick is arranged right around the resistor then add smoke directly to the chamber. Not for everybody but I've cured several engines of no smoke or weak smoke output in...
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Re: Help Needed On Smoke Issues

graz ·
I agree with Scott regarding the plastic funnels making it difficult for the fluid to ever really reach the wick. It tends to adhere to various surfaces along the way. when possible, using a syringe to shoot the fluid directly into the batting is best.
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Re: Help Needed On Smoke Issues

Jeff T ·
Don't you just love problem child locos... Have you tried filling the smoke fluid the night before you run and blowing down the stack?
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Re: Help Needed On Smoke Issues

KOOLjock1 ·
Mike Reagan has a great tutorial on his YouTube channel on this. I find that adding One Full Dropper to fan driven units about five minutes after shutting down for the evening delivers best results. Jon ��
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Re: Lionel 2-6-0 6-11150 Ten Wheeler NYC

Bob Delbridge ·
Brian, fix your topic title, a 2-6-0 isn't a "Ten-Wheeler".
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Re: Lionel 2-6-0 6-11150 Ten Wheeler NYC

gunrunnerjohn ·
Yep, the Legacy 10-wheeler doesn't do idle smoke, that's one annoyance with mine as well. I've thought about replacing the fan controller with my Super-Chuffer to fix that, just haven't gotten around to it yet. This locomotive has an odd cobbled up bunch of custom boards, I think early on in the Legacy product line they didn't have things totally laying flat yet. I suspect the newer one that just came out has a different board and probably does the idle smoke properly.
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Re: Lionel 2-6-0 6-11150 Ten Wheeler NYC

sinclair ·
I hope so as I'm getting one for my birthday in a couple months.
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Re: Lionel 2-6-0 6-11150 Ten Wheeler NYC

gunrunnerjohn ·
Since it's running the new RCMC electronics, I'm sure it has the latest smoke features. Doesn't that one also have whistle smoke?
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Re: Lionel 2-6-0 6-11150 Ten Wheeler NYC

D500 ·
2 + 6 = 8, so far.
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Re: Lionel 2-6-0 6-11150 Ten Wheeler NYC

Brian Dugan ·
I apologize for the wrong ID of a ten wheeler(4-6-0). I don't know what I was thinking-or was I thinking! I very much appreciate the information. A 2-6-0 is a mogul-I'm just trying to make myself feel better!!!! Oh well, no one is perfect. I have the new Lionel 6-82271 NYC 4-6-0 on it's way(there I got it right). I was planning on double heading the new one with the old one. It will be a bit weird, but placing the old one as the second engine will be a bit more prototypical. The NYC used...
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gunrunnerjohn ·
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
Good Friday evening, I wanted to update this, and thank everybody who read and posted. I got my RS3 LC+ smoking again, but I did the "rob Peter pay Paul" thing by taking a smoke unit out of another LC+. It's all good, I don't run smoke on all my locos, just the RS3. One thing that is eluding me, is the screw driver required to open a smoke unit - what size is it and where can I obtain? My electronics screwdrivers, as Klein Tools calls them, are too big for that circuit board. Thanks again
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

Jeff T ·
Looks great Sean!!! I bought a set of Wera screwdrivers at a small hobby shop.
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SeanG ·
Thanks Jeff!
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

RickM46 ·
Another couple of videos on smoke unit wicking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRcpFRtA6IY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1asUWbJtfok
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

KOOLjock1 ·
As a rule I add one full dropper of fluid after each operating session to fan-driven units. 10-15 drops is just asking for burned wicking. Jon
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
Hey Kooljock1, please clarify, you add fluid after a running session? Won't that idle fluid gum up the wicking if it sits too long?
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RickM46 ·
One last comment on smoke units; I have had little luck with filling smoke units; I either over or under fill; I am the destructor of smoke units. I've tried adding fluid at the end of the day and wound up drowning the fans and sending back to Lionel for repair. Some say that there is also an evaporation factor if you do that.
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Re: Early steam engines with smoke Egolf ... how did it work ?

MaxSouthOz ·
When I saw the email notification, I thought it was going to be about a ball game played on social media.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

Jeff T ·
Couple things... After a smoke unit has been without fluid it will usually take more than a few drops, say 10-15... If that doesn't work, are you adverse to taking the shell off?? Taking a look inside might be good.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
Jeff T, thanks for the reply. Let my try 10-15 drops....see how that shakes out.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
Hey Jeff T, I did give that a go. Gave it a good dozen drops, and still no change. Ran it for a bit, forward/reverse, still nothing. I am not adverse to taking off the shell but where to from there? Thanks again.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

Jeff T ·
Sometimes we tend to run the smoke units a little too dry. When you do the wick will get a good char and be unable to absorb the fluid. Carefully open up the smoke unit and see if the portion of the wick touching the resistor is charred. If you're unsure along the way post some pics, plenty of help here. I believe the manual will tell you what screws to remove to pop the shell.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
I think I am on the trail! Even though I drained the smokestack before opening the RS3, I still had some smoke fluid to deal with once inside. Some of the drops though, are brown - I have never added anything that wasn't clear! I can't get the circuit board to remove from the motor unfortunately, 1 of the 3 screws is fighting me. I can see the resistor you spoke of through a opening in the circuit board. From what I can see it's all gunked up. Almost like ear wax (gross I know) but that's...
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

Jeff T ·
Post a pic if you can, you know, the thousand words thing.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

Jeff T ·
This should be your smoke unit. https://www.lionelsupport.com/...02-a000-8a92309ea44d
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
Sure thing!
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
I looked at your diagram (very informative, btw) and this is where I am stuck, can't get that third screw out of the PCB.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

Art ·
Get a good needle nose pliers on the head of screw and break it loose, I had to do this on one of my LC+ smoke units. Art
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SeanG ·
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SeanG ·
Thanks Art - did just that! Open Sesame as they say
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

Jeff T ·
Yuck... OK, toss the wick material. You then want to use a soft brush to clean the crud left on the resistor. New wick material and you should be good to go.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
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SeanG ·
Okay, I cleaned it up pretty good. But the re-wicking procedure; I don't have a clue on how to do that. Also, all the gunk that I took out of there, was some of that the batting? I seen batting in the diagram you shot me.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

Jeff T ·
Wick. You can reorder from Lionel or your local hobby shop. When I'm in a pinch I've used tiki torch wick. Pull off the plastic shield and fluff it up a bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkDlQ5Cwwlk&t=12s This video will show you a bit. just be sure not to block the opening from the bowl to the fan. You can also use a 9 volt battery, while the smoke unit is out of the engine, to test the fan.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
Jeff T, thanks so much, this has been very informative - you rock! I live near Charles Ro, will swing by sometime later this week, and when I do I will gladly update this thread. Thanks again.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

Jeff T ·
Thanks Sean!! Just trying to pay back a little for all I've learned from this forum!!! Good luck getting it smoking again!
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

rockstars1989 ·
Many you tube videos on how to re pack and replace resistor on Lionel smoke units.The parts are cheap I do all of my own and order by the dozen to have on hand.They need to be done on a regular basis.Nick
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
Thanks Nick
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SeanG ·
Something I don't get - is batting and the wick the same thing? Thanks.
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Train Nut ·
Yes. The factory usually installs a pad in there. The replacement stuff is better and it's more like a tiki torch wick that you fluff up and pack in there.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
Thanks Train Nut. Outside of baseball, never seen that definition for that word before.
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Re: Smoke unit LC+ RS3

SeanG ·
Batting that is
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Re: Smoke heat element

TrainLarry ·
See here for the complete circuit board with the element. See the third item from the top. Smoke unit PCB It does not look like the element is available alone. Larry
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Smoke heat element

pete ·
I need a new element for mikado. Where to buy one or mail in to repair. Thanks for any help or direction.
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improved 0-8-0 and 4-4-2 locomotives

oysters ·
I finally inserted bridge rectifiers into my two conventional Lionel steam locomotives (starter set 0-8-0 and a 2002 4-4-2). Placed a single 4 amp rectifier in each locomotive, with rectifier in series between E-unit and motor. I used the methods mentioned by many of you...diagram available here: https://www.dallee.com/PDFs/MotorDiodeDrop.pdf The results: modest smoke increase in the 4-4-2, with noticeably slower, smoother startup. This locomotive has a Seuthe unit, so I'm still...
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Help Needed On Smoke Issues

taki53 ·
I am having problems on deciding on using mth protosmoke or mega smoke on my mth engines. I have a new mth long island alco diesel that smokes very lightly. After a while I find myself adding more fluid as the smoke seems to dwindle. Is this normal? I don't want to over fill the engine with fluid. I'm experiencing the same issue with a big boy ps1 steam engine as well. Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
 
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