Tagged With "No Horn or bell"

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Tmcc no horn in command

Ron464nyc ·
I just received a mint NYC f3 aba diesel set off the web and in conventional I have a horn and diesel sound. But the prime mover would notch up when I tried to address it in command, even during reset attempts. So I opened them up and started wiggling wires and connectors also tapped lightly on the boards and worked the micro switches. Although visually nothing seemed to be out of place ( appeared never to have been open and no notiable wheel/ roller wear as advertised.) Back together,...
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PaperTRW ·
Lionel has made many "NYC f3 aba" over the years. To receive the best advice, you'll need to provide the 6- number off of the Lionel box. TRW
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Ron464nyc ·
Sorry about the oversize. It is the century club #6-38106/7.
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PaperTRW ·
If you can't reset it to a 6, and you've tried re-seating the boards, then the last option is try to replacing the R2LC board in the dummy with one from another loco. That's likely the board that's causing the problem. TRW
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PaperTRW ·
Try resetting the dummy unit ONLY with a 6 code - not 36. If that doesn't change anything, pull and carefully re-seat the three modular boards found in the dummy unit. TRW
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Re: Tmcc no horn in command

Ron464nyc ·
Ok I removed,reinstalled 3 boards unfortunately no help. Whenever I place it (dummy A) on track and bring up power it's stuck in conventional and won't let me address it to re-ID or program. Last night while attempting to reset code 36, I got to #3 and it blew horn like it accepted just #3. Today stuck in conventional and won't release. Is their a trick to this to realign the gates in the chips? Or being built in 99 it caught the y2k bug. Really baffling. At one point I had crew talk. Still...
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Ron464nyc ·
Thanks papertrw I'll try it and get back,and appreciate your help
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Ron464nyc ·
I believe that's it. Got one coming from brasseur's
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Re: Is this 2343 Horn Original?

Chuck Sartor ·
Yes, the one horn just missed the last process of hollowing out the bell. They were probably in a box of thousands and workers just grabbed a couple of them to install. Just overlooked and the installer probably didn't notice or care.
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Re: Is this 2343 Horn Original?

Zach K ·
Thanks Chuck! Glad to know it is original!
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Re: Is this 2343 Horn Original?

Zach K ·
CW, it does appear that way from the angle I took the photo. I've taken another looking down the middle and the tabs appear to be roughly the same angle.
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Re: Is this 2343 Horn Original?

Zach K ·
CW, it looks rolled to me. I've attached a photo with horns from the 2343 in question (upper left) compared to a 2332, 2023, and a '52 2343 in my collection. They all appear the same, in my opinion.
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Re: Is this 2343 Horn Original?

C W Burfle ·
after looking at its worm gear I noticed one decorative horn on the shell is not drilled out. The patina on both horns are the same, and looking underneath there seems to be no evidence of tampering so I have no reason to believe it was replaced. Was this a flaw overlooked at the factory? Sorry, but to me, the tabs do not look like they were bent over in the factory. When those tabs are spread out to hold them onto the cab, they bent over fairly evenly. Each of the horns on your shell have...
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Re: Is this 2343 Horn Original?

C W Burfle ·
Look at the backs of the horns, where they attach to the sheet metal bracket. does it look like a rolled clinch, or does it look like a solid piece of metal that was upset with a punch to make it stay in the hole? The original horns that I just checked have the rolled clinch, the reproductions have the punch mark.
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Re: Is this 2343 Horn Original?

Lenny the Lion ·
Really, I don't see much of a problem the part being repro or not, just enjoy it.......
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Re: Is this 2343 Horn Original?

paul 2 ·
My opinion I think the one is a replacement horn. I do not think with this diesel at the time it was made they would of been looking for ways to cut costs yet. Late fifties when they started to mold the ladders and grab irons to the body. That is when I would think the horns might be like that........Paul
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Re: Is this 2343 Horn Original?

Chuck Sartor ·
One sure tell-tail sign if the horn has been replaced is the mounting pad inside the body. If it has and scrapes or scratches from the tabs being bent over. The bracket the horn mounts on is heavy metal and impossible to bend with needle nose pliers without scraping or gouging the plastic. Lionel used a special die and jig to bend the bracket tabs. Zach's is unblemished.
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Is this 2343 Horn Original?

Zach K ·
So after I reassembled my 2343 yesterday evening after looking at its worm gear I noticed one decorative horn on the shell is not drilled out. The patina on both horns are the same, and looking underneath there seems to be no evidence of tampering so I have no reason to believe it was replaced. Was this a flaw overlooked at the factory?
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GP38-2s with horn and bell reversed... Why?

Steven Michael ·
Weird issue, never had this problem on anything else. When running the "sound car" that goes with my three other powered Weaver GP38-2s, pressing the horn button rings the bell, and pressing the bell button blows the horn. Any idea why?
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Re: GP38-2s with horn and bell reversed... Why?

Matt A ·
Dale Manquen explains it better: http://www.trainfacts.com/trainfacts/?paged=3
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Re: GP38-2s with horn and bell reversed... Why?

Matt A ·
Agreed. The whistle/horn function is activated by applying a DC offset to the AC running your trains. This DC offset activated a relay to trigger the whistle/horn in older Lionel trains. The horn is activated by applying a DC offset of reversed polarity compared to the whistle/horn. I don't know if the offset is positive or negative for the whistle/horn or bell functions. You can easily figure this out with your digital multimeter.
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Re: GP38-2s with horn and bell reversed... Why?

Balshis ·
I have a Lionel locomotive that's the same way. One of these days, I'll get around to reversing the leads, but in the meantime, it doesn't bother me enough to take any immediate action.
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Jim 1939 ·
A simple problem. The power wires to the car are reversed. Or reverse the wires to the track I can't find if you say anything about what the engines do. If they have horn/bell too then it's the car wires.
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Re: Lionel Horn Battery Replacement Question

Ron Misch ·
Thanks for the information. My electrical knowledge is very limited. I did try the 9V on a replacement horn with a temp. connection on the bench and agree the sound is much better.
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GIO ·
I just did the 9V conversion to my loco and WOW, the horn really gives a wake-up call now. Don't know what this means for the life expectancy of the horn, but it will be fun while it lasts. Glenn
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Re: Lionel Horn Battery Replacement Question

Richard Gonzales ·
Glenn, I do not think the 9v DC will hurt the horns. It is nothing more then a vibrating coil. I am not curtain when the 9v DC battery appeared on the market, but I would think that if they were around when Lionel developed the F3 prior to the 1948 release of the 2333's Lionel would have used them instead of the 1.5v DC battery. This is just speculation on my part. Another advantage to the 9v DC battery is the corrosion problem. I can not recall ever seeing a 9v battery leak and cause a...
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rrvics ·
Years ago I refitted my post war diesels with Radio Shack battery holders that fit 2 AA batteries. The horns work perfectly. Three volts is all you need.
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Ace ·
I had a battery mishap in my Lionel 2343. The battery wasn't real old but I discovered there was a small dent in the case which developed into a leak. Lesson learned: inspect new batteries carefully for physical damage. I took the entire loco apart to clean it up. Some day I'll make a battery-free horn circuit for it.
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Re: Lionel Horn Battery Replacement Question

Richard Gonzales ·
Vic, Good idea. I think any thing greater than 1.5v will make the horn work better. The 9v battery was a quick fix for me since I had the 9v battery connectors and a 9v battery on hand. The horn really has a nice high pitch sound now. Ouch ACE! At least you caught it before it ruined the engine. I guess back in the days when an F3 was put away after Christmas with a battery in it the owner would find their engine ruined months later. Thanks for sharing the pictures. Richard
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Ron Misch ·
Any idea of the long term effect putting 9V to the horn coil in lieu of the 1.5 V from a"D" cell. Will this lead to coil failure?
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Re: Lionel Horn Battery Replacement Question

Richard Gonzales ·
Ron, i have not noticed any long term effects on the horn coil. I believe the original Lionel post war horns were essentially bicycle horns and they are quite durable. The metal horn bracket that carries the 1.5 v DC for the horn deteriorates over time. The 9 v DC battery solution bypasses the old metal horn bracket. I also believe that the 9v DC passes those 60+ year old horn relay contacts much easier than 1.5v DC Richard
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OldBogie ·
Buck boost converter TI has some. Bogie
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Re: Lionel Horn Battery Replacement Question

Richard Gonzales ·
Glenn, Consider converting the required D cell battery to a 9 volt battery. I connect the + wire on the battery connector to the horn relay connection that supplied power to the horn. Connect the - ground wire on the battery connector to the engine frame. Insert a 9 volt battery in the battery connector. The horn will work, and will have a louder sound. This solution will bi pass the corrosion problem. If the old post war horn is sluggish or still does not work you can zap the horn with 18v...
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Lionel Horn Battery Replacement Question

GIO ·
Does anyone have drawings for a circuit to replace the battery in a Lionel postwar diesel horn? I'm dealing with a unit that suffered severe battery corrosion. I've figured out how to put in a new battery holder but I was hoping that there might be a design out there for a circuit to replace the battery. I'm not a EE but I'm assuming that such a circuit would have a rectifier and a voltage limiter. Glenn
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Re: Problem with 2328 GP7 Horn

Virginian65 ·
Hi Zack. Time to acquaint yourself with the ease of fixing a Lionel postwar horn. Just go online and google "Fix a postwar Lionel horn". It's easier than one thinks. Make sure you have a good set of fairly thin-bladed screwdrivers, a soldering gun (if you need it) w/flux and solder, a little extra wiring (again, if you need it) and a hand big enough to reach around back and pat yourself for learning how easy it is. You may also want to - carefully - adjust the unslotted screw on the horn...
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Re: Problem with 2328 GP7 Horn

Zach K ·
Boy, looks like that will take some time to disassemble and clean! I'll get on it first thing tomorrow evening and reply with the results when it's all back together!
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Re: Problem with 2328 GP7 Horn

Zach K ·
Got the horn back together and it works great! Nothing seemed out of place or dirty, I still cleaned up the contact points and interior in general. It still has an occasional crackle but other than that it's back to normal!
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Problem with 2328 GP7 Horn

Zach K ·
I don't know what happened. The horn was working fine the other day and now it's comparable to nails on a chalkboard! I swapped out batteries but doing so had no effect. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Re: GP38-2s with horn and bell reversed... Why?

GGG ·
AC Track wires reversed to circuit/sound board. G
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Re: GP38-2s with horn and bell reversed... Why?

Gregg ·
Yep, something's not quite right.... I presume you're running conventional . To get the "sound car" working ,revering the transformer leads (or track) would correct the problem but..... Is this going to put the other Weaver GPs out of whack? Do they have sound?
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Re: GP38-2s with horn and bell reversed... Why?

phillyreading ·
Try to reverse the wires inside the sound car and not the track power wires. I have one Weaver engine (a C-630)and it is different then my other engines, so I recommend reversing the wires in the sound car and not the track. Lee Fritz
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Re: Is This How A 2332 Horn Should Sound?

Zach K ·
What can I do to get it working properly Marty?
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Is This How A 2332 Horn Should Sound?

Zach K ·
This is my first time hearing a 2332's horn and I am curious if this is tuned correctly. I have no clue if it should sound like it does currently or if it should be a different pitch.
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Re: Is This How A 2332 Horn Should Sound?

Marty Fitzhenry ·
That is about as bad as it gets.
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Re: Is This How A 2332 Horn Should Sound?

Chuck Sartor ·
You can change the sound as Art describes, but all 2332's sound like a buzzer, yours sounds 'right'. Lionel's fist attempt at a horn sound. A real GG-1 horn sounded harsh.
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Re: Is This How A 2332 Horn Should Sound?

C W Burfle ·
Here is the Service Manual page on the 2332 GG-1 horn.
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Re: Is This How A 2332 Horn Should Sound?

franktrain ·
Zach, I recorded my 2332 pretty much sounds like yours. franktrain
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Re: Is This How A 2332 Horn Should Sound?

David Johnston ·
The 2332 makes noise by vibrating a plastic box. Your horn sounds like the plastic is cracked. Inspect the sound box for cracks. Especially the top where the brass rod attaches. The sound boxes are for sale on eBay all the time. Search for "Lionel 2332".
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Re: Is This How A 2332 Horn Should Sound?

Zach K ·
Thanks for sharing the video of yours Frank!
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Re: Is This How A 2332 Horn Should Sound?

Serenska ·
I know it doesn't help your immediate request for your 2332, but here's a clip of the real thing: FWIW, my GG1 horn sounds similar to yours. I think the idea of turning the small nut on top of the horn is the right approach. You're not going to get it to sound "good", but with a little experimentation, you may be able to get it to sound less bad. As someone noted, you're dealing with 1947 technology, not a modern digital recording... Have fun with it. Steven J. Serenska
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