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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
Thanks TRW for the info! 3)So much for guessing it was not an antenna wire. LOL 2) how do I go about upgrading to TMCC ? Why does it have the run/program switch and an RS/SS switch? Also where could I get service schematics or documentation to at least show me what plugs into what? Again THANKS!
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

gunrunnerjohn ·
You'll need the R2LC-C08 board to enable the TMCC capability, it replaces the reverse board in the right hand socket. The RUN/PGM switch is the reverse lockout for conventional operation, when you upgrade it, it'll be indeed the RUN/PGM switch. The RS/SS switch won't do anything right now as you have a Signal Sounds board. If you replace that board with the RailSounds board and add the generic RailSounds Power Supply, you'll have full sounds. Then the RS/SS switch will switch the sounds...
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PaperTRW ·
1. Those were made by K-Line, not Lionel. (K-Line by Lionel came later.) But Lionel did indeed make the electronics. 2. They are TMCC-upgradeable, but they do NOT have TMCC. 3. That is indeed the antenna wire, which was likely soldered to a metal strip attached to the roof. It was factory-installed so that adding the R2LC board for TMCC was more of a "plug and play" operation. I hope this helps. TRW
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Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
Hi All, Hoping someone either has a Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit or has some service documentation to help me out fixing this unit. Took this out of the box which looks brand new and could certainly pass for brand new unit, Tried it conventional and it ran forward, with whistle blowing with a great tone. I switch it over to command control and the lights and exhaust fans work but that was it. So I opened the unit up to try and find the culprit. Low and behold I see this red...
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
Thanks for all this information! So I need to purchase a R2LC-C08 board and a Railsounds board and power supply. Ok next foolish question... where do I buy these at and are there some instructions with the upgrade? And yes wjen scouring around the inside roof of the unit I did spy a metal strip with a burn mark which I now am assuming (ok I saw you roll your eyes!) is where the antenna wire was tacked on to with a cold solder joint. I put all back together and with the switches in the...
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

gunrunnerjohn ·
Since the Railsounds boards are long gone from Lionel, you'll have to shop around for a similar sounding locomotive for a RS4 or RS5 board. The generic RS power supply and the R2LC-C08 are both still available from Lionel. For the RS board, I'd look around for a locomotive that uses the same prime mover and similar horn.
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
First and foremost thank you Gunrunnerjohn for candid and honest answers. You are the messenger and even though I did not want this message, it is what it is, so to speak. However, I have to say I am disappointed with Lionel for not being able to upgrade and run an engine on TMCC that was a Lionel electronics design/build. This task on finding a similar locomotive for an RS4 or RS5 board, to me, is foolish to say the least. Gunrunnerjohn, could I just do the R2LC-C08 upgrade and have TMCC...
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
Good Advice for sure on getting it running first! However if there is no way to obtain a railsounds upgrade it sounds doomed before I begin. Like Mark has mentioned, maybe cheaper to sell these units and buy new working Legacy or DCS engine. Although this has to do almost more with viability than cost comparison.
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Sure, just plop an R2LC into it and it should have TMCC capability.
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RoyBoy ·
You can get it running first and then deal with the sound system after the running has been verified. That way, if any problems arise you will know what system has the troubles. If you do everything at once and there are troubles, it may take longer to figure out.
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
Love the positive/optimistic attitude! Plop and Should are definitley keywords hehehe so I can get this through Lionel? R2LC-C08 is the part I am looking for and do I also need the RS supply upfront or only if I scavenge a Railsounds board? On Lionel site and they list this, what is it and do I need it? 691MB0019B MOTHERBOARD / RAILSOUNDS 5.0 / RS PWR / R2LC
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
Thanks a TON! For the 40 dollar cost I may try the 2RLC-C08 receiver board for TMCC and go from there, depending on results. Again Thanks for all your help
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gunrunnerjohn ·
Well, then there's the shipping.
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PaperTRW ·
Yes. Here's the way your upgrade would work: 691R2LCC08 R2LC / RADIO RECEIVER (C08 CODE) $40.00 The R2LC board will give you TMCC. You replace the daughter board shown in your first image with the R2LC. Make sure the antenna wire has been re-soldered to the metal strip on the roof, and you should be good-to-go. There's a chance you may need to reprogram the R2LC for the locomotive that you're putting it in. You can find the procedure here:...
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

PaperTRW ·
Hold up. Let me get on MY soap box for a minute. If I'm understanding things right, you've repeatedly taken Lionel to task in this thread for not stocking a specific board, that came in a third-party product, that uses obsolete technology, that was manufactured 15+ years ago. Ya see where I'm going here? It's important to have realistic expectations in this hobby, otherwise you're in for a lot of disappointment. Our hobby's manufacturers are far from perfect. Sure, it would be great if every...
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
First and foremost my apologies if I have offended you or anyone else on this forum with my pure ignorance of the hobby. Asking if there was a way to upgrade Lionel electronics that were in a K-line product was asked and the replies I have gotten were that a receiver board can still be had, however the railsounds board would have to be found from an old disposed of engine. I did go onto Lionel's parts site and typed in 2RCL and a big list of boards came up and if it were not for the generous...
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

gunrunnerjohn ·
If you are going to install a RS4 or RS5 sound board, you need the generic RS power supply to power it. If you leave the Signal Sounds board in, it'll work without any additional boards. You don't need any motherboard for the RS4 or RS5 boards, you just need the 691RSPRA00 power supply and the RS audio board.
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
TRW, Thank you for this valuable information. I know without this forum and members like yourself helping me get back into the hobby, I would not be able to get these engines on the tracks. Which in turn would have me sell off my collection and go fishing. So thanks for keeping me in the hobby and providing your time and knowledge. Thanks John
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
Just to update everyone that has provided so much assistance in my foolish quests. Received an R2LC code 8 board from Lionel parts & service ( I just ordered it a couple of days ago, so that was REALLY fast service and shipping! kudos to Lionel) I almost plugged it into the RE power supply connector, however it was clearly marked as such so I looked around and found a board already plugged into the R2LC connector. I removed that board and installed (plugged in) the R2LC board from...
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

gunrunnerjohn ·
Sounds good, glad it all worked out.
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
Thanks for all your help!
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
It is technically a happy journey so far. When the Railsounds bd. & power supply, goes in without me letting out the blue smoke from any of the components, then it will be a happy ending! But I am enjoying the journey for now. Again thanks to you and gunrunnerjohn for all your help and good advice John
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PaperTRW ·
Yup, glad there’s a happy ending. TRW
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
Just an update on this project. This Saturday the railsounds generic board and railsounds power supply board arrived in the mail. Again very fast service from Lionel! I removed the signal sound board and inserted the Railsounds board and the power supply board into the clearly marked connectors. Ran the programming and yes it all worked. All the blue smoke stayed inside the componets and Railsounds are now part of this newly TMCC enabled engine! WooHoo! One thing I am not sure of and don't...
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

Aegis21 ·
GunrunnerJohn, Thanks for the info and help. I will try #8 and see if there is any difference. Will anything get damaged if I use the wrong number? That is a bit of fear I have when I was "trying" different numbers to program it. Again Thanks John
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Re: Lionel Made K-Line NYC K28701H Diesel Unit wire not connected inside unit

gunrunnerjohn ·
A vast majority of the time, I program most diesels with AUX1-8. If they happen to have a command controlled strobe or cab light and no smoke, then either AUX1-5 or AUX1-6 is appropriate.
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