2021 Lionel Catalog S Gauge Steam

@richabr posted:

Just stopped by my LHS and took a quick look, as I didn't have much time, at the new catalog. A new Legacy Pacific in 6 roadnames, heavyweight passenger hospital cars, some new tankcars W/O platforms, annual Christmas cars, one with music and reruns of the previous heavyweights and EP5's. Probably to get additional orders. A few anniversary offerings and some additional things that I didn't pay much attention to.

New Haven EP5’s? Are they Legacy or traditional?

@richabr posted:

A few anniversary offerings and some additional things that I didn't pay much attention to.

Were things that bad then?

Please tell us more about the Pacifics!!  What was the prototype for the engine?  Could it have been a remake of the K5??

Sounds like the "boundless journey" has boundaries...

I guess they finally found the tooling for the Pacific's.  Which would be a good thing.

Rusty

P.S. The subject line should mention Flyer or S so as not to confuse our O Gauge buddies.

@Rusty Traque posted:

I guess they finally found the tooling for the Pacific's.  Which would be a good thing.

They were keeping it hidden all these years so that they could re-introduce it especially for the 75th anniversary and hope people didn’t know it existed.

I wonder whose Pacific shows up first American Models or Flyonel? I have two on order and AM will put any road name on em you want. What was the MSRP on the flyer?

Gunny

@gunny posted:

I wonder whose Pacific shows up first American Models or Flyonel? I have two on order and AM will put any road name on em you want. What was the MSRP on the flyer?

Gunny

Probably Lionel.  The rumor mill indicated AM's having trouble with their die-caster and it's already 3 years late, which is rare for AM.

Rusty

@Ukaflyer posted:

They were keeping it hidden all these years so that they could re-introduce it especially for the 75th anniversary and hope people didn’t know it existed.

Well, I have a Chicago and Alton set and a B&O USRA Pacific (assuming that is the loco we are talking about) like Rusty's. Being TMCC fitted with Seuthe smoke units, I am absolutely sure that my previously purchased ones are technically superseded by a new Legacy Pacific. But, owning two samples of the previous engine takes the shine off of the reissues for me. Maybe, one will be able to obtain parts for a partial upgrade of the older Pacific (and Mikado) steamers. I shall look at the new catalog with interest.

Bob

If I remember right the Flyer Legacy pacific MSRP was $599 although I may be "misremembering."

Didn't check if the EP5's were Legacy, I assumed they were Flyerchief as before.

As soon as I saw Pacific, my first thought was "I hope they changed out the sleuth unit." I'm not an expert on pacific variations but it sure looked like the TMCC version. B&O was one of the offerings.

Catalog had a lot of items, just nothing that rang my bell as I glanced at it.

@Bob Bubeck posted:

Well, I have a Chicago and Alton set and a B&O USRA Pacific (assuming that is the loco we are talking about) like Rusty's. Being TMCC fitted with Seuthe smoke units, I am absolutely sure that my previously purchased ones are technically superseded by a new Legacy Pacific. But, owning two samples of the previous engine takes the shine off of the reissues for me. Maybe, one will be able to obtain parts for a partial upgrade of the older Pacific (and Mikado) steamers. I shall look at the new catalog with interest.

Bob

I have a Mikado with a failed Seuthe smoke unit. Still a very nice engine and I can live without the smoke, it wasn’t that impressive when it did work. Not sure if the 50/60 Hz was a problem as the sound is all screwed up as well, known  problem at the time.

I have a Mikado with a failed Seuthe smoke unit. Still a very nice engine and I can live without the smoke, it wasn’t that impressive when it did work. Not sure if the 50/60 Hz was a problem as the sound is all screwed up as well, known  problem at the time

Hopefully they squeezed one of currently used units into the smaller shell.

@richabr posted:

If I remember right the Flyer Legacy pacific MSRP was $599 although I may be "misremembering."

Interesting, they MSRP'd at $649.99 back in 2008.

Rusty

I am still confused.  Is that photo from the new catalog or of an old engine?  Can anybody confirm it is the old tooling or did they make new.

I was emailing about the Pacific with Ryan Kunkle today after the first notice here and he said he would not comment till the catalog was released.

Interesting, they MSRP'd at $649.99 back in 2008

Hopefully I didn't misremember.

Thought I would remember when I left the store but after the long drive home and household BS,

I am still confused.  Is that photo from the new catalog or of an old engine?  Can anybody confirm it is the old tooling or did they make new

It's not really a photo, it's the type of images used in all the catalogs. Difficult to tell without an actual comparison of catalogs.

It is this engine pictured below. It is a "light" Pacific #6-48061, from the Lionel 2008 Vol.2 catalog. Catalog price was $649.99. These are TMCC with Seuthe smoke units. Go to Carl Tuvesons web site, he has an off the shelf mod to retrofit an MTH fan driven smoke unit, 4 chuffs/revolution and cruise control. These are very nice engines, equal in detail to the Y-3. This and the Mikado were made from all new tooling. There has not been a Legacy pacific made to date.

@richabr posted:

I am still confused.  Is that photo from the new catalog or of an old engine?  Can anybody confirm it is the old tooling or did they make new

It's not really a photo, it's the type of images used in all the catalogs. Difficult to tell without an actual comparison of catalogs.

Lionel in the past used images of the O Gauge version with the third rail photoshopped out or Flyer track photoshopped in...

I can wait a week.  They're not going to be produced any faster because of a catalog leak.

Rusty

Here is a picture of 5213 on my turntable. I have one of all the cataloged TMCC Pacifics and Mikados, all modified by Carl Tuveson.

I did not realize the tooling for these engines was "lost." It would be nice if these engines were re-released with Legacy, elctrocouplers, fan driven smoke etc.