What do you think the new 2023 Vision line will be for next year?
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My vote goes to a really nice hand cart with steam sweat effect... 
But really, maybe a new rendition of the PRR T1? It would go well with the new 5550 that's being built!
Bout due for a diesel.
@miller3 posted:My vote goes to a really nice hand cart with steam sweat effect...
I figure you're kidding but I would like to see things go in this direction. I think huge engines get the Vision Line treatment because there's more real estate to cram special effects into but it would be cool to see fancier, smaller engines. Like a Berk or an RS3. The hand cart would be a great start 
But I wouldn't be mad if a Vision Line Jawn Henry or Triplex popped up. I would get a second job to afford it haha
There has never been a Legacy Dreyfuss Hudson. I have no clue as to if Lionel now owns the MTH tool for it, but I suspect a Vision Dreyfuss would be a hit.
Would like to see a Diecast diesel again, Berkshire or FEF-3.
Still hoping for a modern diesel, preferably an ET44AC/ET44C4, SD70ACe-T4, or Siemens Charger. New Vision features could include rotating bearing caps on the trucks, dynamic brake sounds/control, and road name/road number-specific crew dialogue. If the BNSF ET44C4 is made, I also want the trucks to have the correct truck side frame details. A set of modern rolling stock such as new Vision Ethanol Tank Cars would be great. I'd love to see a Boeing airplane fuselage train similar to the UP Rocket Train from last year.
Streamline PRR TORPEDO.
I'd like them to go back to the "never seen before in O gauge" mantra and make something completely new. I would also like to see something smaller and less expensive to have a broader appeal.
There is one hint on the Lionel support website. Hint Number 1, its an engine that has been done by Lionel a few times.
They're revealing it online during York week if I heard correctly, right?
@ed h posted:There is one hint on the Lionel support website. Hint Number 1, its an engine that has been done by Lionel a few times.
LOL! Ed you're killing me. I've been accused of being in "the know" and now your dropping a hint like Burr dropped Hamilton.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:They're revealing it online during York week if I heard correctly, right?
As far as I know yes
Just as they remade the Vision challenger and the Vision 2-10-10-2 they are going to remake the Vision Big Boy and Vision GG-1. Just a matter of time. Could be one of them.
But if I had my druthers I would love to see a Vision NYC Dreyfuss Hudson. Most beautiful engine ever built. Then we all pester Scott Mann to remake the Golden Gate Depot 20th Century limited cars for it to pull.
Ive heard they have the molds for the AT&SF 2900 class. That would be awesome to have a VL AT&SF 2926! Sunset 3rd rail came out with the 2900 and so did MTH in premier and rail king.
Vision Line AT&SF 2900 Class
Smoke stack & Whistle steam, new swinging bell (different because the 2900's bell wss on the front of the locomotive), dynamo steam, road number specific details (dual len headlight vs singular headlight), possibly a way to make the stack extend like the prototype (may need to use the technology like the diaphragms on GG1).
LIONEL PLEASE MAKE THIS LOCOMOTIVE CLASS!!
NYC Dreyfuss Hudson or PRR T1.
@MartyE posted:I'd like them to go back to the "never seen before in O gauge" mantra and make something completely new. I would also like to see something smaller and less expensive to have a broader appeal.
Lionel isn't familiar with the smaller and less expensive mantra. 
I'm in for the PRR T1 Duplex.
Word I heard from someone who knows someone at lionel, but seems a Lionel VL Dreyfuss is floating around "soon".....
@Rider Sandman posted:There has never been a Legacy Dreyfuss Hudson. I have no clue as to if Lionel now owns the MTH tool for it, but I suspect a Vision Dreyfuss would be a hit.
Lionel offered a Dreyfuss with tmcc back in 2002. So they (should)have the tooling.
@RickO posted:Lionel offered a Dreyfuss with tmcc back in 2002. So they (should)have the tooling.
I could be wrong, but I believe they lost it as part of the lawsuit.
@RickO posted:Lionel offered a Dreyfuss with tmcc back in 2002. So they (should)have the tooling.
Correct, They also had a catalog legacy version around 2011 I believe. However it was canceled, but you can still see it in the original catalogs.
we are long overdue for another Lionel dreyfuss
As much as I would love to see the Dreyfuss made again, I don't think it should be a Vision Line engine IMHO. With the limited space in the boiler about the only thing to add would be whistle smoke and the force coupler.
Just my 2 cents,Doug
For an absolutely absurd guess from far, far left field: Vision Line Thomas the Tank Engine.
Not sure how well it would sell (and Id doubt if Id even get one) but it certainly would be... unique.
PRR E-44 electric - fingers crossed 🤞
Lionel also has the tooling for the C&O Yellowbelly Hudson. They only did the engine one time, and that was a long time ago, back when TMCC first came out. The C&O Hudson would look perfect pulling Lionel's C&O Chessie Passenger Train.
something that is miles away from becoming a workhorse of the Fenix Pacific because i can't afford it or its too huge to fit O - 36 curves
although it would be awesome if lionel could give the vision line treatment to a small engine and sell it for under 1000 sheckles then maybe one day by epic chance my wallet and railroad will graciously welcome it into the roster.
anyway i hope its a diesel as we haven't had a vision diesel in quite awhile.
If I had to guess I’d say it’s a rerelease of the CC2 or possibly 700e. Personally I’d prefer something new to O gauge but who knows. Although it seems like a Dreyfuss or T1 Duplex are long overdue.
I‘d love to see a vision triplex and that’d be an immediate buy for me, but I’m less optimistic after seeing MTH still has the angus tooling…although glad MTH is rereleasing it with whistle steam. Would’ve thought Lionel got that tooling and the triplex.
@Dylan the Train Man posted:Lionel also has the tooling for the C&O Yellowbelly Hudson. They only did the engine one time, and that was a long time ago, back when TMCC first came out. The C&O Hudson would look perfect pulling Lionel's C&O Chessie Passenger Train.
That's one that I'd be interested in!
@EricTrainMan posted:If I had to guess I’d say it’s a rerelease of the CC2 or possibly 700e.
Those vl 700e's always go for over msrp on the secondary market.
I passed because of the inverted valve guides and some other detail issues,and lack thereof.
Now...redo it(right) with the KLine J1e tooling and you've got my attention, and my preorder.
@Rider Sandman posted:There has never been a Legacy Dreyfuss Hudson. I have no clue as to if Lionel now owns the MTH tool for it, but I suspect a Vision Dreyfuss would be a hit.
@RickO posted:Lionel offered a Dreyfuss with tmcc back in 2002. So they (should)have the tooling.
@EricTrainMan posted:I could be wrong, but I believe they lost it as part of the lawsuit.
@Timmy Tarsh posted:Word I heard from someone who knows someone at lionel, but seems a Lionel VL Dreyfuss is floating around "soon".....
No tooling as that was indeed one of the three stolen toolings from MTH. If this was to be something, it would indeed be all new tooling or a brass hybrid. I seriously doubt that this will be the VL engine unveiled during York week as I would imagine we have yet more years to be denied a Dreyfuss.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Lionel isn't familiar with the smaller and less expensive mantra.
John, I thought you had a PRR T1 Duplex you got with all the bells and whistles(that you may or may not be still working on)?
@Dylan the Train Man posted:Lionel also has the tooling for the C&O Yellowbelly Hudson. They only did the engine one time, and that was a long time ago, back when TMCC first came out. The C&O Hudson would look perfect pulling Lionel's C&O Chessie Passenger Train.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:That's one that I'd be interested in!
Wasn't the C&O offering a semi-scale engine, or did it only apply to the tender? I know that the only offering that they did wasn't a great runner from what I heard, something with the electronics was it?
Well, whatever they do intend to unveil, this is going to be interesting. Is it something that they have done before, which would be a let down unless the done before was semi-scale and not scale. Is it going to be one of those mystery engines that we know some about, but never been made? Well, I think that it would be switching over to a diesel engine, since I think that has been a bit, but Lionel likes to be sneaky and fool me. See what comes.
Prediction: Vision Line H-6 Mallet 2-6-6-2s available as built in several C & O numbers, in WMSR #1309 regalia with CrewTalk from the actual WMSR crew, and in a few fantasy schemes (B & O, Virginian, etc.). Passenger car packs to follow and WMSR gets the Strasburg treatment from Lionel. Personally I'd be in for a Vision Line version of the current WMSR #1309.
@MartyE posted:I'd like them to go back to the "never seen before in O gauge" mantra and make something completely new. I would also like to see something smaller and less expensive to have a broader appeal.
I am with Marty on this the whole point of Vision line was doing the not done before hence the SF 2-10-10-2 , Pennsy 0-8-8-0 and Gensets and Evo Hybrid. This was the true intention and should return to that mantra.
@Shawn_Chronister posted:I am with Marty on this the whole point of Vision line was doing the not done before hence the SF 2-10-10-2 , Pennsy 0-8-8-0 and Gensets and Evo Hybrid. This was the true intention and should return to that mantra.
I agree as well. I would imagine they could have a former TMCC engine or early Legacy be a VL as long as it fit the bill of more detailing, and better features. Not saying it needs insane smoke effects, just stuff they didn't have on the earlier version of it.
Thing is, there are quite a number of engines they could choose from, will they. What will they come up with? Is it going to be a big engine, or maybe medium sized engine? Probably wouldn't be a smaller engine(referring to steam that is), not that there's anything wrong with small, I just don't see them doing one.
That aside, whatever they do decide to do, would they make smaller engines in the same catalog so people could run something with it that doesn't break the bank? Who knows.
I'd still love to see a streamlined B&O P7 Pacific or a streamlined NH I-5
What ever it is I predict it will be out of my price range 
Maybe a Vision Line J1e Hudson?
A scale VL PRR A5, not the oversized K-Line version. If HO scale engines can have all that electronics in them, why not this engine🙂
i just thought a little about the hint someone gave about the engine being a previous lionel engine that possibly could not have a vision treatment yet
and i thought what about a Y6B AND lionel could make a fantasy red bird or blue scheme for it
or could lionel make a fantasy norfolk and western CC2
Wasn't the PRR and the N&W partners for awhile ? i had also read they at one point considered merging . is this true?
I've given up asking for an updated rerun of the Zephyr, so I will now suggest a never done, hopefully brass, SP 4-10-2 Gresley steamer. They recently did the UP 4-12-2 Gresley, so that sound should be available as well as the mechanism. The 5000 series were found pulling heavy freights throughout the SP system. Would be perfect for their next brass Vision loco! I hope.
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I could appreciate a VL Y6B, but even better yet a VL Erie Triplex, wow, I'd come outta retirement for that one !!
Not an articulated engine!, you loose half your market. Not a smart business move!
@CAPPilot posted:A scale VL PRR A5, not the oversized K-Line version. If HO scale engines can have all that electronics in them, why not this engine🙂
Well, a scale A5 would be cool, but I don't think they could fit enough features in it to justify calling it a Vision Line.
anybody got an idea of when lionel will do the big reveal?
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Well, a scale A5 would be cool, but I don't think they could fit enough features in it to justify calling it a Vision Line.
John,
You are probably right. So, I will settle for a simple Legacy version.
Would like a 1225 and polar express Berkshire loaded with features / smoke and maybe new features
Diesel with “cold start smoke feature”
Back to the future locomotive (s). Led color smoke stack effect. Include a DeLorean to push
A layout Accessory would be cool.
Yes 1225 or at least 765 Berkshire loaded out or another popular engine they have done in the past that would be a great vision line engine
@EricTrainMan posted:If I had to guess I’d say it’s a rerelease of the CC2 or possibly 700e. Personally I’d prefer something new to O gauge but who knows. Although it seems like a Dreyfuss or T1 Duplex are long overdue.
I‘d love to see a vision triplex and that’d be an immediate buy for me, but I’m less optimistic after seeing MTH still has the angus tooling…although glad MTH is rereleasing it with whistle steam. Would’ve thought Lionel got that tooling and the triplex.
I second the CC2!
Thinking outside the box here. How about a series of SCALE mow equipment? Burro crane, ballast tamper with laser buggies, tie replacement equipment, etc. I could see a string of these (slowly) running down the main line. Of course, they would have to be operating with sound. That's what would make them Vision Line. But then again, my grandpa used to tell me "You can wish in one hand and sh__ in the other. See which one fills up first."
Tom
Something from the MTH tooling .......
I think a well detailed Shay and log cars would be unbelievable in Visionline.
Could you imagine the price on that?
This might be a hairbrained idea but maybe do an Erie K5 pacific? There's a pretty cool story involving the K5 #2524 that got donated to South Korea following the Korean war, and there are photographs of the locomotive both in a harbor at San Francisco and then at a station platform at Seoul with the South Korean and American flags on it's smokebox. I'd post them here but no clue if they're copyrighted or not. Either way it would be a pretty cool model and give Lionel a chance to go wild with the fantasy schemes by doing up a few other K5s in KNR paint. Not sure how similar Korean coaches are to American ones but since South Korea's railroad system is similar in spec to America's I'd imagine some light retooling or even just repainting of normal coaches would be sufficient. This is basically just the ultimate pipe dream but hey, maybe the historical bit would be worth something to some people.
@paigetrain posted:anybody got an idea of when lionel will do the big reveal?
This will definitely happen during York Week, October 20, 21, 22. Lionel will not be at the York Meet like some others, but they plan to broadcast what the engine is one of the days. I don't remember if Ryan had stated exactly what day, but I would say either pay attention to their channel or Train World's as Ken Jr. is going to be having their Virtual O Scale Week(that is their topic search that to see what they are doing).
I chuckle at the angst about what a future product release will be. Folks, nothing we say here is going to change it, so sit back, relax, and wait for the announcement.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:I chuckle at the angst about what a future product release will be. Folks, nothing we say here is going to change it, so sit back, relax, and wait for the announcement.
Got that right John. Sometimes people forget how much time is invested in making these VL engines. I think Ryan had said about the Niagara, something like 3-4 years worth of work. Sort of makes me think of they have failed drawing board ideas that they put off for the next engine.
I enjoy the discussion though @gunrunnerjohn haha plus it passes the time till the reveal.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:I think Ryan had said about the Niagara, something like 3-4 years worth of work. Sort of makes me think of they have failed drawing board ideas that they put off for the next engine.
I believe it. I massively underestimated how much work would go into the design of 3D printing a blast furnace. It doesn't even have electronics! I have a small list of items it would be cool to do once I get the overall structure done so I bet you're right about the failed drawing board ideas
Big Deal ... Bigger Price ... followed by Even Bigger QC ISSUES (and no replacement parts)
Thanks, but NO THANKS !
@dk122trains posted:Not an articulated engine!, you loose half your market. Not a smart business move!
I have a feeling this one will loose half their market.
@ed h posted:I have a feeling this one will loose half their market.
then they need to tighten it up
Whatever it ends up being, a group of people will be happy, nearly everyone will complain about the cost, and a chorus of people will say "Why'd they make another _______ locomotive ? They should have made a _______ locomotive" (Insert one of the following into each blank NYC, PRR, UP, SP, Sante Fe, Nickle Plate, steam, diesel, Hudson, Northern, Berkshire, articulated, big, small, streamlined, non-streamlined, common, uncommon, attractive, ugly)
@PSM posted:Whatever it ends up being, a group of people will be happy, nearly everyone will complain about the cost, and a chorus of people will say "Why'd they make another _______ locomotive ? They should have made a _______ locomotive" (Insert one of the following into each blank NYC, PRR, UP, SP, Sante Fe, Nickle Plate, steam, diesel, Hudson, Northern, Berkshire, articulated, big, small, streamlined, non-streamlined, common, uncommon, attractive, ugly)
Yeah, that is always going to be the case regardless of whether it is a VL locomotive or just the catalog in general. The one catalog had almost nothing I wanted, but I was actually happy that it was a bare as it was so I didn't have to order hardly anything to save on my bank account.
I do still believe that it will probably be a Diesel locomotive since the majority of what has come out has been steam(be it new or reissues). What kind of Diesel, I have not a clue. I just hope it is a Diesel and not one that I would want.
I believe that i will be a rerun. Now remember, they re run the 2-10-10-2s, but not the pennsy CC-2s 0-8-8-0s. My money will be for that.
Dreyfus with the MTH tooling
I missed something When does Lionel announce this?
@Don Beck posted:I missed something When does Lionel announce this?
It will definitely be during York Week which is right around the corner. I think I had already commented somewhere here about that. The timing is the question, will Lionel do it on their own YouTube Channel, which day, what time, ETC. Thing is, as soon as it is out, everyone will know, there will be comments here, and even a new topic I'm sure. So, be ready the 20th, 21st, or 22nd for the announcement. TrainWorld will probably have them live as well as Ken Jr. is doing a show during York as well. Hope that answers your question Don.
yes, thanks
@Lehigh Valley Railroad posted:Dreyfus with the MTH tooling
This would move the needle. A Dreyfuss with all the Legacy/Vision fixin’s would be a monster hit.
Just watched a demos with dave clip, where dave mentioned that the stasburg 90 isnt a russian decapod. But they do have the russian decapod from mth. I might throw that into the ring as well.
@Dave NYC Hudson PRR K4 posted:It will definitely be during York Week which is right around the corner. I think I had already commented somewhere here about that. The timing is the question, will Lionel do it on their own YouTube Channel, which day, what time, ETC. Thing is, as soon as it is out, everyone will know, there will be comments here, and even a new topic I'm sure. So, be ready the 20th, 21st, or 22nd for the announcement. TrainWorld will probably have them live as well as Ken Jr. is doing a show during York as well. Hope that answers your question Don.
In the Lionel newsletter it will be Oct. 21st 3:30est on YouTube and their Facebook page
@2012ford posted:In the Lionel newsletter it will be Oct. 21st 3:30est on YouTube and their Facebook page
There we go. That's the official notice for when, I don't get that newsletter unfortunately. Maybe I should since I buy a lot of stuff from them, lol.
Will lionel be announcing later this week? Any hints or leaks?
@biscuitag97 posted:Will lionel be announcing later this week? Any hints or leaks?
According to their website, they are doing a "virtual train show" on Facebook and YouTube tomorrow at 3:30pm eastern.
@EscapeRocks posted:then they need to tighten it up
I bought a PS-2 MTH Dreyfuss from Stout Auctions a few years ago with the idea I’d convert it to TMCC or send it to one of the forum wizards for a Legacy upgrade. I’ve now sent it to York with a buddy to be sold off. I’m all in on a Legacy release at some point - maybe tomorrow is the day!
Although, after today’s threads on paint colors, I’ll probably wait for it to be delivered before pulling the trigger. With my luck, they’ll be out of Dreyfuss gray paint (having used it all on Legacy smoke boxes) and instead paint it smoke-box graphite.
Well, the good thing for me is my phone will be blowing up shortly after they start broadcasting the live feed. I won't need to ask because of that.
New big boy oh yeah
Really? What a blah blah blah. Well, I'm not a Big Boy fan, so that is money still in my wallet. I wonder when the Y6's will pop around again? If not this coming year, 2024 for sure.
I love the big boy. I already have a vision line big boy, but I must say IMO this is a 3rd or 4th time releasing it in general in the past 15 years. Just saying. But I do love the BIG BOY.
Great choice in the Big Boy!!! Looking forward to seeing all of the number offerings.
Maybe next year there will be a VL UP FEF!
How incredibly original of them.
@MichRR714 posted:How incredibly original of them.
Yeah, most of us were expecting that they would get back to the whole business of what it was to be a Vision Line Locomotive. I had expected some big diesel or electric that hasn't been done. One thing that was in the back of my head for a steamer was either the Milwaukee Road Hiawatha engines, not sure the make on all of them, or the S2 Turbine. The Turbine has been done, and being that only one was ever made, they would maybe make 3 at the most. 671, 681, and 6200. Maybe a pilot version, but they're done right there. What others of that could they make? Money back in the wallet.
@gunrunnerjohn posted:Lionel isn't familiar with the smaller and less expensive mantra.
I would love a T1 also. Good idea John.
I'm sure they will sell a bunch of them at an incredible profit, but I'm not terribly interested in this. That's a whole lot of train dollars that could pay for a slew of other items instead of one engine. As well and most importantly, I'd sure prefer a new locomotive model rather than an identical v2 with upgraded electronics. Oh well . . . at least I have my Lionel UP Rocket Train to look forward to. :-)
@BlueFeather posted:I'm sure they will sell a bunch of them at an incredible profit, but I'm not terribly interested in this. That's a whole lot of train dollars that could pay for a slew of other items instead of one engine. As well and most importantly, I'd sure prefer a new locomotive model rather than an identical v2 with upgraded electronics. Oh well . . . at least I have my Lionel UP Rocket Train to look forward to. :-)
I agree. I don't need to buy every VL locomotive that comes out, I'm sort of picky on that from the start. If it's steam, I'll look at it. If it's a Big Boy, not biting. I bought the second run of Challengers because I like that locomotive. I went for one of the coal fired black UP's.
I ordered the Class A because I love N&W. The Southern Pacific run they had, I passed on. There is no doubt that these Big Boys will sell, with new features, new boards of electronics, the latest bells and whistles. However, like some have said, it may not be a selling point of all the bells and whistles meaning not to buy it at all. The first run of depleting coal loads I thought was ridiculous, I wouldn't want an engine doing that for me. If they offered a New York Central Hudson with that feature, I'd skip it for sure even if it was the Dreyfuss. I'd message them saying I don't want that feature, if and when you make it without, I'll buy. No Big Boy for me, ever.
Well, I suppose the upside is they won’t be limited to artist renderings to sell it - they can just recycle actual photos of the previous one.
I’m surprised the demand is high for this remake, especially given the “non-Vision” Legacy and MTH versions that released in the last few years.
@Rider Sandman posted:Well, I suppose the upside is they won’t be limited to artist renderings to sell it - they can just recycle actual photos of the previous one.
I’m surprised the demand is high for this remake, especially given the “non-Vision” Legacy and MTH versions that released in the last few years.
Exactly. Marty, John,myself and others have said enough with the already been done. When the second set of Challengers came out, okay, but the Big Boy is heading towards overkill. just my opinion on that. Need fresh ideas please.
I was hoping for a k4 since there is currently one being rebuilt right now. oh well. I'm sure there is gonna be a lot of re-release with some other U.P. items to go along with it.
While I am UP guy and love articulated loco's I am not in for this one I have the first VL Big Boy this is just getting silly make something not done before. Come on Lionel this is the best you got.
Ho-Hum, Looks like just another add to the ever growing disappointment list from Big L.
Doug
I still think a Visionline Shay with log cars or maybe even a Jupiter 4-4-0 with passenger cars would be cool. Tons of smoke everywhere!!
Bigboy..🥱....
It would be a good idea to see a Shay, that is for sure. It really boggles the mind on why they have not done some of the engines that we would think are no brainers. It may probably be what is the popular names, why not a New Haven engine?
No surprise since this item has been on lionelsupport.com for weeks now. Since the item number is 2301050 it's a 2023 item. In my post a few weeks ago, this was the item I was hinting at. Figure if the LCCA is doing a special version, there certainly must be one in Lionel's regular lineup.
LCCA Union Pacific VISIONLINE Big Boy #4023 (lionelsupport.com)
I'm not overly excited about it in general but it does have my favorite features and I don't have a Big Boy. We'll see what the price is though. I'll also need to learn what a force coupler is.
I guess if there's a Big Boy to buy as your first one, this might be it.
I usually cut Lionel more slack than others do, but I think this is a bit ridiculous. What makes this cutting edge in any way? Why is a Vision Line? I get running the Big Boy again, for the money, and I even get upgrading it, but its not like these features are brand new.
@TheRambles posted:
Are you serious. I took this as a joke.
With all the choices Another BB? oy
@romiller49 posted:Are you serious. I took this as a joke.
Go to the Lionel homepage. It’s the real deal.
Next vision line locomotive... ..vision line challenger!
A big boy ! More misjudgement about what will sell and bring the max in sales and satisfaction by Lionel in the market it serves.
