EC26603A-F663-4FB2-8341-E563ABE1BACE I have a drive wheel on a 261E locomotive that has some damaged gear teeth.  It appears to me that the drive gear is an integral part of the wheel rather than a removable one.  

I have no idea what the part number is for the wheel. Maybe someone could give me the part number and possibly where I might find one to purchase, either new or used.  I have attached a picture.

Thanks much and have a wonderful weekend, Jim

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I agree with Tinplate Art, with contacting Hennings to give you an idea of a replacement.  What I found, with Olsen's Prewar CD, it shows Spoked wheels, as part of the 1935 issues, where your photo above is a solid wheel.   That is just from looking at the CD, as we know that Olsen's website is down at the present.  That is my only point of reference for what parts are shown, for particular locos, and there were many changes over the years of production, and NOT all of the locos are listed at Olsen.  It would be terrific if there was someone who had OLD Service Manuals from Prewar, that could be scanned, and made available.  But that isn't going to happen.....so!!

Normal 261 locos have the steel "peened on" gear, which is re-usable. This looks like the later solid spoke wheel w/ cast on gear & wrap-a-round blackened rim.  This same wheel is used on loco #'s 263, 264, 265, etc. They are not currently available, but new molds are in the future for these wheels and the 'thin rimmed' version.    Harry 

P.S.  MTH's version " DOSEN'T FIT".

"THE OLD MAN"

Henning's Trains - Celebrating 75 Years, 1939 - 2014

Harry is correct on the wheels.  Early red and then black see through spoke wheels have a peened on gear.  Around 1935-36 Lionel switched to the die cast wheels as shown in your picture.  They have embossed spokes, but are not "see-through".  The casting is the same, whether Lionel applied a thick or thin rim to the wheel.  Rim's came in nickel plated(earlier) or that blackened color (later).

 

The replacement ones Olsen used to sell were made by Bowser back in the day.  They were not very good and the axle holes were often off center, resulting in egg rolling if you put them on and tried to run it (found out the hard way).

I finally gave up and just bought a junk loco off eBay with a good motor/wheels and swapped out the motors.

The late 261E you have, should have the same motor in it as a 249E, thus a replacement motor (wheel) should be rather easy to find (You'll just need to find ones with the same rim to match).  Some people have had luck pulling a wheel off a junker and remounting it on their good locomotive as well, if done cautiously.

"Built like a Battleship" -Baldwin

Since so few 261e’s were made in 1935, it’s difficult to find much of a description or a good picture in most of my reference books.  However, in the TCA’s Lionel trains standard of the world, 1900-1943 second addition there is a good picture of it.   As mentioned above by Ives 1122, unlike its predecessor, the 260 which had open spoke wheels, the 261e has solid cast nickel plated wheels with the gears a part of the wheel casting and with embossed spokes.

 Also, the 249e has the same motor and has the same wheels. The mystery is, I removed from the smooth running 249e the two drive wheels and placed them on the 261e and it still continued to bind. I have replaced the two intermediate gears which did not help. I have a replacement pinion gear which will be my next move. 

I guess I should have given up and started looking for a used 249e or 261e motor, however, it’s a challenge and I just can’t abandon trying to find out what is not working correctly.   The gear plate on the engine looks as though it has worn more to one side and according to Jeff Kane,  no one has made a replacement gear plate. I was going to remove the gear plate from the 249e to see if the uneven worn bushing was the problem however the 249e has an armature shaft diameter of .125 while the 261e has a shaft with a diameter of .112 so the gear plates are not interchangeable.  I may wait until I find a used gear plate since changing out the gear plate is so much easier than removing and replacing a pinion gear.

Thank all of you so much for your help.

Jim

 

 

Jim, the working 249E motor should likely? Be a direct swap.  I would think, Just put it in your 261. 

Unless your 261 doesn’t have eccentric rods?  

The wheels for locos with eccentric rods might be slightly different wheels?

Ive never measured them. 

"Built like a Battleship" -Baldwin

Ives1122 posted:

Jim, the working 249E motor should likely? Be a direct swap.  I would think, Just put it in your 261. 

 

I would except my 249E locomotive is in very good shape and a heads up the  tender and original cars in a set consist.

Sooner or later I will find a used 249e locomotive from which I can rob the motor or even better maybe find a used motor.

Thanks again for everyone’s help and suggestions.

Jim

Jim,

Been following this thread since I'm curious as to what you'll finally find as the problem. I don't have that type of motor on hand, sounds like a type 10a? I do have a geared wheel like the one in your photo with the number 3 on it. Checked the eccentric hole threads with an original rod stud and that's ok. Checked the gears and look ok. Wheel doesn't appear swelled or out of round, had it on an axel in a motor. Its used so the axel hole is slightly enlarged but feels like burring the axel or JB Weld would work. It's yours for free if interested.

John

If it was easy, anybody could do it!

 John, thank you so very much. You are very generous. I have sent my mailing address to your profile email. Thanks again and if the Wheel doesn’t solve my problem I will return it to you.  I will keep updating my progress going forward.

Thanks again and have a great evening, Jim

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