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Higher prices is what we can expect from 3rdrail.  Not blaming Scott, it's the economics of the industry these days.  When the the NYC H10 mikado was announced it was listed for 1700.00  Steep for a mikado with generic sounds and control system.  Yes highly detailed, but I was willing to bite the bullet for this one.

Years later of waiting and Scott re-announces the project now at a price of 2200.00  Sorry to say at this time in my life and what I have already, I'm going to have to pass.   The drop dead for the Mikado project was supposed to be last March but no word.  I'm guessing the H10 is not getting enough reservations to move forward.  The longer the delay the more likely the price is going to go up and the less likely it's not going to happen.

Sorry for being a downer but there's plenty on the secondary market to keep me happy.  Good luck.

A “new” engine, one not made before, is likely for diesels.  Probably some reissues now that Scott is doing those.  Not sure about any more of Scott’s superbly crafted steamers.  As Gary stated, price is increasing for a variety of reasons and Scott’s target market in decreasing.

Also, the timeline to bring a new engine from announcement to delivery is too long.  That engine that I really wanted when announced may no longer interest me 2 years later, or I found something else just as good.  

@superwarp1 posted:

Higher prices is what we can expect from 3rdrail.  Not blaming Scott, it's the economics of the industry these days.  When the the NYC H10 mikado was announced it was listed for 1700.00  Steep for a mikado with generic sounds and control system.  Yes highly detailed, but I was willing to bite the bullet for this one.

Years later of waiting and Scott re-announces the project now at a price of 2200.00  Sorry to say at this time in my life and what I have already, I'm going to have to pass.   The drop dead for the Mikado project was supposed to be last March but no word.  I'm guessing the H10 is not getting enough reservations to move forward.  The longer the delay the more likely the price is going to go up and the less likely it's not going to happen.

Sorry for being a downer but there's plenty on the secondary market to keep me happy.  Good luck.

Some of us have resorted to building our own using older two rail engines but there are a limited number of suitable prototypes for that. You might consider keeping an eye out for a two rail version of engines you are looking for. I have a feeling custom builders may be coming online in the not too distant future. Might even be a plus considering custom builds would not be limited to TMCC.

Pete

@Trainbros89 posted:

I would love to see them offer the VGN EL3B-S, George Washington Pass Set (GGD), as well as more rolling stock. FWIW, I would also be in for a "baby trainmaster".

Greg P

www.youtube.com/trainbros89

I'm guessing you'll see the VGN jackshaft electrics sometime.  It sounds like there is a lot of demand out there every time they are mentioned.  I'd also be in for a 3rd Rail version of just about any FM diesel.

I've been thrilled with my recent GGD streamlined passenger sets and am looking forward to more in the future. 

@BlueFeather posted:

I'm guessing you'll see the VGN jackshaft electrics sometime.  It sounds like there is a lot of demand out there every time they are mentioned.  I'd also be in for a 3rd Rail version of just about any FM diesel.

I've been thrilled with my recent GGD streamlined passenger sets and am looking forward to more in the future.

I emailed Scott about the Jackshaft a few months ago, and he indicated that it's "possible". Fingers crossed!

@Rob Leese posted:

I am still lobbying for the 2nd run of SD7/9’s to have the CB&Q offered in red/gray this time. Those of us who bought in the first offering already have our “blackbirds”.

https://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/...-cbandq-paint-scheme

I’d like this too Rob. 👍
Folks, A one person lobby won’t cut it. If there are more people out there that Want this specific paint job, Email Scott !!! Numbers Count !!!

Cheers 😉

I've taken to buying well-preserved locomotives on the secondary market from Trainz and have been very satisfied with what I've gotten from them. Until recently, everything I bought was brand new but I'm not buying $1500+ locomotives these days... I just received a nice MTH Premier New Haven EP-3 from Trainz. Well worth the price. That might be a good model for Sunset/3rd Rail to offer. Another suggestion for Scott Mann - rerun New Haven FL9s. I would also be interested in Alco RS-1s.

Ten or fifteen years ago, MTH was making items of more interest to me than they are now, so I'm buying used instead of what they're producing now.

MELGAR

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I think I'm done with the head-end power dreams.  I have a couple items in that category that Scott did years ago that I keep my eye out for on the secondary market.  Even so, those prices are competing for priority budget dollars...like keeping my non-ecofriendly vehicles running well and with new 'shoes'.

OTOH...I'm impressed with some of 3rd Rail and GGD's latest  rolling stock items...and some of the bantering  of wishes thereof on the forum.   Like engineering/dynamometer cars...Helium cars...Multi-flag passenger cars (streamline and/or HW).

Or backwoods/short line complete 'trains'...Doodlebug-ish power with a trailer car or two.  Maybe something with a somewhat 'generic' doodlebug power and a trailer car ( or two)...like Santa Fe's Train #26.  Or Rock Island's Train #26!  You know...a complete passenger+freight train for the smaller O scale layouts...'at home' on a simpler layout...small town(s)...rural setting...no big engine terminals...no ladder-track yards...less manicured single track R-O-W...slower speeds...no CTC signals required...manually operated switches... (sigh).

FWIW, of course.  And IMHO...always.

KD

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@CAPPilot posted:

A “new” engine, one not made before, is likely for diesels.  Probably some reissues now that Scott is doing those.  Not sure about any more of Scott’s superbly crafted steamers.  As Gary stated, price is increasing for a variety of reasons and Scott’s target market in decreasing.

Also, the timeline to bring a new engine from announcement to delivery is too long.  That engine that I really wanted when announced may no longer interest me 2 years later, or I found something else just as good.  

Steam looks to be Very Dead.  Escalating prices, Fewer buyers, fractured markets.  

For a new model, FM diesels are pretty attractive to me - especially the Erie built. The roads that had this model are mostly biggies, popular, and in large buyer markets. There’s only 7 roads but some diversity can be had with freight and window variants.    

My second interest is a run 2 for the FT diesels. These were last done in 2014 with only 11 models offered then and 3 of those were SF paint variations. Lots of expanded road possibilities here as there were 23 original buyers Plus a demonstrator. I bet we’d probably see some upgrades with a new offering too.  

Check out the wiki list and see if your favorite road is listed for these 2 options. Email Scott if you’d support these options with reservations if you are interested !!!!!!  Numbers Count !!!!!!!!!

@Norm posted:

Perhaps that little Trainmaster is a push since so few were produced...certainly it would be a real niche production.

Norm

First, what are you thinking when you say "baby trainmaster" I'm thinking of the 1:1 that was CNW and N&W?and TVA? only 2-3 roads at best?

Im waiting for the SDP40F/ F45  for Amtrak like others.

But Im in for the Last Century ALCo C636 for demo, CN, Cartier, IC, PC, CR, DL&w SPS, and Others....

I could also use a correct RS3 for PRR [Long Tank] and Sealed Beam headlights. Trainphone a plus!

The true Baby Traimaster (not an actual FM term as opposed the the H-24-66 Trainmaster) is an H-16-66 with only 4 buyers and there were two very different distinctions, the early ones with the stylized Raymond Loewy body and C trucks similiar to Baldwin C trucks and the late ones with the more typical boxier body and FM trimount trucks.  A true rarity indeed to model.

Contrary to common discussion the H-16-44 is not a Baby Trainmaster.

But the KM diesel hydraulics got produced so as has been said before, If you want on call Scott and specify which body style.

Myself. I've already stated before in other threads, I'm in for a Virginian EL-3a jackshaft electric set.

@Hot Water posted:

How would you all like a model of the EMD Training Center Car (School Car). I have a custom made model from an old Walthers kit, in HO, plus I have copies of the EMD black & white 8X10 photos of the car, and,,,,,,,,,,,,,the EMD Styling & Painting diagram. I would be more than happy to loan all my stuff to Scott, if he thinks the project would be worthwhile.

Hey Hot,

Would you be able to provide a picture? I tried searching the web, but couldn’t find anything.

Regards

@superwarp1 posted:

Higher prices is what we can expect from 3rdrail.  Not blaming Scott, it's the economics of the industry these days.  When the the NYC H10 mikado was announced it was listed for 1700.00  Steep for a mikado with generic sounds and control system.  Yes highly detailed, but I was willing to bite the bullet for this one.

Years later of waiting and Scott re-announces the project now at a price of 2200.00  Sorry to say at this time in my life and what I have already, I'm going to have to pass.   The drop dead for the Mikado project was supposed to be last March but no word.  I'm guessing the H10 is not getting enough reservations to move forward.  The longer the delay the more likely the price is going to go up and the less likely it's not going to happen.

Sorry for being a downer but there's plenty on the secondary market to keep me happy.  Good luck.

Your just stating the truth. I don't know what's going to happen but I don't see many new people getting into the hobby  in any scale let alone O.

Prices on everything are through the roof and still going up. The whole world has gone crazy.

@superwarp1 posted:

   The drop dead for the Mikado project was supposed to be last March but no word.  I'm guessing the H10 is not getting enough reservations to move forward.  The longer the delay the more likely the price is going to go up and the less likely it's not going to happen.



Gary,

I had emailed Scott earlier this summer and asked about the status of the H10 project as I am on the reservation list for one of the P&LE models.   He replied that the project is definitely a go and it is in the design stage with delivery expected next year(if I remember correctly).   Being a P&LE fan from the Pittsburgh area,  this will most likely be my only chance to buy one of these particular engines as I can't see anyone else ever producing a correct model in O scale.

Both Baldwin and FM made some interesting road switchers.     like you say, I think most had few purchasers, but there was a lot of variations with a few each I think.

I have 2 Carworks FMs.    I particularly like the FM H20-44, which is the road switcher model with the end cab so it looks a like a swticher.     The other I have is an H-16-44 with the CLiner style trucks which are correct for PRR.   Carworks did them with both those trucks and AAR trucks.     Finally I have a Carworks VO1000.    Carworks also did the HH660 in brass. 

All the Carworks locos I have seen have the good single motor Weaver drive that is very easy to maintain and repair.   Although I have never had to repair one but I have had to repair many RS3s and FAs    This drive does like wider curves but runs much smoother in my personal experience than 2 motor drives.  

Weaver did offer 3 rail wheelsets that drop right into these trucks.    You would need to add 3rd rail pickups.   P&D Hobbies used to stock these and the 2 rail wheelsets.   They still sell parts on their website.

As usual I represented Sunset  Models / 3rd Rail / Golden Gate Depot at the last Strasburg, PA 2 rail meet. I had posters with several new possibilities including the New Haven and other roads streamlined passenger cars in 4 car sets including a baggage coach, coach, diner, and parlor car. Extra coaches and parlor cars will be available.

These are similar to the older Weaver cars but are streamlined with skirts and fluted siding. I also announced the New Haven's EP-4 which is similar to the MTH EF which was only done in 3 rail. Sunset would do this locomotive in 2 and 3 rail. It does have slight variations from the MTH locomotive, the most notable being the length of the side vents.

I also listed the PRR GG1 in either tuscan or brunswick 5 stripe schemes with a good drive system with all drivers powered.

If you have interest in any of these projects please e-mail or call Scott and let him know.

@rheil posted:

As usual I represented Sunset  Models / 3rd Rail / Golden Gate Depot at the last Strasburg, PA 2 rail meet. I had posters with several new possibilities including the New Haven and other roads streamlined passenger cars in 4 car sets including a baggage coach, coach, diner, and parlor car. Extra coaches and parlor cars will be available.

These are similar to the older Weaver cars but are streamlined with skirts and fluted siding. I also announced the New Haven's EP-4 which is similar to the MTH EF which was only done in 3 rail. Sunset would do this locomotive in 2 and 3 rail. It does have slight variations from the MTH locomotive, the most notable being the length of the side vents.

I also listed the PRR GG1 in either tuscan or brunswick 5 stripe schemes with a good drive system with all drivers powered.

If you have interest in any of these projects please e-mail or call Scott and let him know.

What “other roads” were you promoting for 4 car passenger “sets” ???

My steam loco inventory is at the point where I have nearly everything of interest.  Same with diesels, though I might go for some re-issues of Fs and GPs.

I was on the H10 Mike list years ago, but asked Scott to take me off it as retirement approached.  I committed to an H10b recently, deciding that I could afford one last "splurge".  But that's a one-shot expenditure.  While I might like to see a NYC K-5 Pacific, I couldn't afford it at the H10 price.

On the car front, I'd like to see GGD produce some "Great Steel Fleet" Budd cars that were in general service on the NYC, such as coaches and sleepers that were on trains like the SW Limited, Wolverine, etc.  They need not match the finish of the ESE cars.

@rheil posted:

As usual I represented Sunset  Models / 3rd Rail / Golden Gate Depot at the last Strasburg, PA 2 rail meet. I had posters with several new possibilities including the New Haven and other roads streamlined passenger cars in 4 car sets including a baggage coach, coach, diner, and parlor car. Extra coaches and parlor cars will be available.

These are similar to the older Weaver cars but are streamlined with skirts and fluted siding. I also announced the New Haven's EP-4 which is similar to the MTH EF which was only done in 3 rail. Sunset would do this locomotive in 2 and 3 rail. It does have slight variations from the MTH locomotive, the most notable being the length of the side vents.

I also listed the PRR GG1 in either tuscan or brunswick 5 stripe schemes with a good drive system with all drivers powered.

If you have interest in any of these projects please e-mail or call Scott and let him know.

I came to this thread to second the Trainmaster-styled H-16-44, but authentic New Haven 8600 style cars and an EP-4 is more than I could have hoped for. Saving up already, and I'll be sure to email Scott.

Any chance there is a digital copy of this poster we could see?

~Chris

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