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WJP posted:

Would anyone know if the 3-rail diesels offered by 3rd Rail would be Kadee compatible or have mounting pads for the Kadees?  According to the 3rd Rail website they will have fixed pilots but I assume the 3-rail locos will have the large tin plate couplers.  Thanks.

Any of the Sunset/3rd Rail diesel models for 3-Rail will come with the "claw couplers", however they will have fixed pilots and full length handrails.  The latest SD7, SD9 models come with a pilot inset so that, once the "claw electrical-coupler" is removed, then Kadee O Scale couplers can be easily installed. I'm sure the future SD40-2 models will be the same design. 

theteejmiester posted:

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh! I just forgot about these for 20 mins and now they have been brought up again and the excitement and impatience is building again! I want mine now! Now! Now! Cannot wait for these!...........sorry I get a little excited when I think about this model. I apologize....

Unfortunately, reservations are not doing well so the SD40-2 project will probably be placed further out in the production queue behind other projects that have better reservations numbers.  My guess is another project will be announced soon to hopefully pick up the production slack for late 2017.  I've suggested doing an SD38-2 at the same time (which I am interested in) but there is almost nil interest in that option.

My wallet is happy to hear this news. 

This probably means no locomotive buys this year for me because I have 4 Atlas SD40's preordered and there is no way I expect to see these in 2017 let alone 2nd Quarter of this year. I don't think any of the F7's have been delivered yet and there about 8 other models that are behind in the production schedule.

catnap posted:

My wallet is happy to hear this news. 

This probably means no locomotive buys this year for me because I have 4 Atlas SD40's preordered and there is no way I expect to see these in 2017 let alone 2nd Quarter of this year. I don't think any of the F7's have been delivered yet and there about 8 other models that are behind in the production schedule.

Pessimistic but probably reasonably accurate, in recent years Atlas has yet to get motive power production on any consistent schedule.JMO

Well that would certainly be a disappointment for me. If they get pushed out too far I may just start hunting for the overland models brass SD40-2's. Passed on one the other day and now I am wondering if I should have just done it. I know they are only available in 2 rail. But it is looking more and more like I am going down the 2 rail road. And sticking with second hand brass as so much of what is currently available is not meeting my expectations as a whole. And it seems that many of these 3rd rail projects don't get enough pre orders to be made in a timely fashion. I have no problem spending 1.200 on a locomotive But so much of what is introduced from the major makers is unnapealing to me. I love atlas products but there is no counting on there products being here at any point on time. Lionel makes some strange choices that make me uninterested in them and I have yet to see a single MTH locomotive I would consider buying. I don't quite understand why in this scale they make 20 different versions of large articulateds but no decent SD40-2's? Or GP40-2's GP38-2's I could go on. I just find it baffling that the interest isn't there. Eh that's my incoherent rant for the day. Let's see what happens 

Such a shame.  O gauge market is dominated by an Older crowd, which is why you keep getting re-runs of GG1s, RS3s, F3s, Hudsons and Pennsylvania Everything.  It won't be until 25 years (when we are the "older" crowd) when we will finally get SD45-2, F45, GP40X, GP50, GP40-2, B36-7, CF7 etc.

As for the FP45 ~ MTH Mold is fine, they need to update the fans and that Hideous Fuel tank and make it a Premier model, we only get scraps when an item is too modern = it falls into the  "good enough" category.

 

SPSF posted:

Such a shame.  O gauge market is dominated by an Older crowd, which is why you keep getting re-runs of GG1s, RS3s, F3s, Hudsons and Pennsylvania Everything.  It won't be until 25 years (when we are the "older" crowd) when we will finally get SD45-2, F45, GP40X, GP50, GP40-2, B36-7, CF7 etc.

As for the FP45 ~ MTH Mold is fine, they need to update the fans and that Hideous Fuel tank and make it a Premier model, we only get scraps when an item is too modern = it falls into the  "good enough" category.

 

Hey now, some of us "young guys" model the good old days (30s- late 50s)  I'll keep buying hudsons and GG1's as long as they're making them. That being said I would still be very interested in a 3rd rail FP45! 

Scott Mann mentioned in another thread that he needs a minimum of 500 units ordered before the locomotive in question is produced.  The SD40-2 is offered in 17 different paint schemes on the 3rd Rail web site.  Does that mean that each paint scheme needs 500 orders to be produced or is that a total of 500 for the locomotive only.  Maybe Scott can answer.  I placed an order for two CP Rail but that may not be a popular road.

Engineer-Joe posted:

I think if Scott got 17x500 orders (8500) he'd be a happy man! I am only guessing though.

You might want to rethink that math. The total production of a diesel model needs to be at least 500 pieces. The general policy of at least 15 to 20 EACH of the various different paint & styling schemes, then comes into play.

Last edited by Hot Water

Atlas, MTH and Lionel have several different projects going on simultaneously with just a few road names of each.  That way they can reduce costs by spreading them out over multiple runs of box cars and passenger cars and doing high end, medium and low end built at the same time.  Scott's builders won't work that way.  They are all of the old fashioned brass project world.  They charge the same for medium and low end that same as for high end even if it takes less work.  Scott also spends a lot more time in China making sure that they deliver what is expected.  This fubar with Atlas's warbonnet F7s would probably put Scott in bankruptcy but it is more expensive up front to spend more time in China, and still imperfect.  

As for eras, read through the thread on what era folks model.  Age is almost irrelevant.  Folks gravitate towards the 1940-60s lessening on either side of that era.  Why, I have no clue, to each his own.  Many of the younger ones seem to gravitate there because of parents or grandparents or other similar early experiences.  My father was a fighter pilot who played with Lionel trains like Gomez Addams and all my grand parents were gone before I was 5 or 6 so that does not apply to me. 

When the SD40-2 project was suggested I thought a GP40-2 project would do better but I was ambivalent about it and the others all preferred the SDs.  At least doing an SD38-2 at the same time is 90% the same as an SD40-2.  Anything else requires starting from scratch so that doesn't work.

I've been lobbying for FP45s and SDP40F for years now with Scott and have already guaranteed 20 of each.  But when it comes down to folks (including dealers, even when asked) emailing Scott and saying if you make FP45s I will reserve X number it hasn't hit 50,  even with my 20, and less than a hundred or so keeps it away from serious contention.

 

 

Matt Makens posted:

SDP45's wouldnt be in that category as it would require a whole different set of tooling. If youre into 2 rail there are some brass models of that loco about to be made but they are spendy.

Who is currently importing 2 rail brass? Overland is gone,Pecos river is gone. Anyone know? Cause I am definitely in the market for some high quality 2 rail brass. 

theteejmiester posted:
Matt Makens posted:

SDP45's wouldnt be in that category as it would require a whole different set of tooling. If youre into 2 rail there are some brass models of that loco about to be made but they are spendy.

Who is currently importing 2 rail brass? Overland is gone,Pecos river is gone. Anyone know? Cause I am definitely in the market for some high quality 2 rail brass. 

Midwest Model Works come to mind for "modern diesels". I don't know if Wasatch Models is still importing diesels.

I would love to add a couple high-quality 2-rail SD40-2's to my roster but at a price north of $2K per loco I think I'll pass and wait to see if 3rd Rail's models ever come to fruition. If not then the Atlas SD40's, albeit a slightly different variant, will more than fit the bill. Of course, they may take some time as well.

It's 4-axle power (GP35's and GP40's) only for the foreseeable future...and I like it!

Hot Water posted:
theteejmiester posted:
Matt Makens posted:

SDP45's wouldnt be in that category as it would require a whole different set of tooling. If youre into 2 rail there are some brass models of that loco about to be made but they are spendy.

Who is currently importing 2 rail brass? Overland is gone,Pecos river is gone. Anyone know? Cause I am definitely in the market for some high quality 2 rail brass. 

Midwest Model Works come to mind for "modern diesels". I don't know if Wasatch Models is still importing diesels.

Midwestern and Key (Wasatch) are it.  Midwestern is pretty far along on their SD45s. Erik expects to have a sample at the March Meet with final delivery about a year later.  I'm not sure whether reservations are closed yet.

MMW will be at Mar Chicago O scale meet, they may have a sample model of their long awaited project SD 45 I believe they are still open to taking deposits on specific Rd names. DP is talking deposit money soon on the RS 2-3 project if it is to move forward, both these importers are direct sale only. Key sells only through dealers to my knowledge, their website has been very quite this last year so I don't think anybody but Dave really knows whats happening, JMO

I got in on two CNW SD45s with Erik at MMW like 2 weeks ago and that was long after the close of reservations. North of 2k is a bit off, more like south of 3k at $2700 each it's a huge outlay but they come with, what I've heard, the best drive around bar none, that's worth a grand right there and the detail is expected to be phenomenal to say the least. Now if you figure it in at a 2 year project and stretch the cash out across that time frame it's much more realistic to pull the trigger. 

To me previous comment on the SDP45F I had a much different loco in my head not the actual loco so I was off in my comment about that. 

As much as I am curious about the SD45's. Got no use for one. However if it ever shows. And it is as good as expected. I Will be in for future releases of the SD40-2's. Key has been silent for awhile. Almost forgot they were still around. Miss overland models. Had quite a few of there offerings in HO and always enjoyed them. And actually I am hunting a certain few of there O scale products now....

theteejmiester posted:

As much as I am curious about the SD45's. Got no use for one. However if it ever shows. And it is as good as expected. I Will be in for future releases of the SD40-2's. Key has been silent for awhile. Almost forgot they were still around. Miss overland models. Had quite a few of there offerings in HO and always enjoyed them. And actually I am hunting a certain few of there O scale products now....

Definitely agree we are lacking in the number of importers, likewise, in the ability to deliver quality products in a timely manner.  Will be interesting to see how the new policies impact these overseas markets.

Laidoffsick posted:

Ive also been asking for FP45s for a long time. How many people have the El Capitan or want to run a combined train? The MTH version with those pilots and fuel tank are a joke....even under the RK name.

I run my El Capitan with ScaleKing FP45's.  I often add the club's 4 K-line 21" SC cars to the back.  While the public loves the length of the train and the uniqueness of it, I really want to upgrade my FPs with the proper pilots and a better scale fuel tank.  Then I think I have 5 of these so I always have at least two available for operation and wonder if it's worth the effort.  A correctly done one would be really welcome.

Then of course, this goes without saying, but I'd be interested in a '51 SC rerun to make my combined train all the more complete.

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